bovril Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 Just now, yorkie1999 said: Nothing like a good bit of scare mongering to get the old panic buying profits up is there. My Dad worked about thirty years in the food production industry. Canning factory in South Lincolnshire. He believes this will happen in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Toddybad Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said: Nothing like a good bit of scare mongering to get the old panic buying profits up is there. Nothing like an excuse for why the experts are wrong, even when just a cursory glance at WTO rules and it's predictions are in agreement, is there?
Carl the Llama Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 19 minutes ago, Innovindil said: I'm an engineer, I'm taught you're only ever as strong as your weakest link. This one was only dredged up by a random investigation from the guardian, which should ring alarm bells. But much easier to dismiss (what they estimate) 300 brazen shit cow sellers as an anomaly than an actual problem. Nobody's saying it isn't a problem. It's a huge leap from that to declaring it endemic and therefore pointless to have regulation.
Toddybad Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 Health Secretary Matt Hancock says that, in the event of no deal, the government will prioritise medicines over food. Excellent. Another entirely normal decision made.
Strokes Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 40 minutes ago, Toddybad said: Health Secretary Matt Hancock says that, in the event of no deal, the government will prioritise medicines over food. Excellent. Another entirely normal decision made. We can always eat the Scottish and kill two birds with one stone.
Jon the Hat Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 2 hours ago, Toddybad said: Health Secretary Matt Hancock says that, in the event of no deal, the government will prioritise medicines over food. Excellent. Another entirely normal decision made. Oh for goodness sake. We can not eat lettuce and cherry tomatoes for a couple of months; people who need medicines might die or at least feel bloody horrible. Think you can manage?
Jon the Hat Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 1 hour ago, Strokes said: We can always eat the Scottish and kill two birds with one stone. You drink Scotch surely?
bovril Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 Just now, Jon the Hat said: Oh for goodness sake. We can not eat lettuce and cherry tomatoes for a couple of months; people who need medicines might die or at least feel bloody horrible. Think you can manage? Missed his point I think.
Strokes Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: You drink Scotch surely? Yes please Jon, Laphroig on the rocks if you please.
Jon the Hat Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 1 minute ago, bovril said: Missed his point I think. I’m not sure he has one.
Strokes Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 1 minute ago, bovril said: Missed his point I think. I’d be amazed if that was the case, given how many times he has made it.
Jon the Hat Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 7 hours ago, Toddybad said: What a surprise. No-deal Brexit would mean shortages and price rises, say retailers https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/28/no-deal-brexit-price-rises-retailers-sainsburys-asda-ms-coop?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Entirely possible, Howe I note their modelling doesn’t go so far as to estimate how long for. A fortnight? A decade?
Jon the Hat Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: Yes please Jon, Laphroig on the rocks if you please. Poured. The ice is melting now though, so I’ve had to start drinking it.
Jimothy Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 17 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Oh for goodness sake. We can not eat lettuce and cherry tomatoes for a couple of months; people who need medicines might die or at least feel bloody horrible. Think you can manage? Shouldn't have to "manage". I thought Brexit was going to be amazing and wonderful (according to those who championed it), now it " oh we'll get by, don't worry" It ****ing joke. We're the most monumentally retarded nation on the planet, so happy to shoot ourselves in the foot, and then simultaneously moan that we haven't shot ourselves in the other foot yet and telling everyone it's ok because we'll save money on shoes. If we're having to "manage" then we are giving up something better than what we're getting. Saying you'll "manage" is what you say when you lose your job, or your partner leaves you. You try to stay positive but you know it's going to be shit.
Voll Blau Posted 28 January 2019 Posted 28 January 2019 29 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Oh for goodness sake. We can not eat lettuce and cherry tomatoes for a couple of months; people who need medicines might die or at least feel bloody horrible. Think you can manage? All this "dig for victory" fetishism for rationing is really getting on my tits. I don't need the government to deny me food in order for me to be able to understand the concept of "sacrifice" FFS. What a fvcking joke it's got to this stage.
gw_leics772 Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 2 hours ago, Strokes said: I’d be amazed if that was the case, given how many times he has made it. I'd vote remain now just to get him to shut the **** up. He's got stamina aint he.
Toddybad Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Entirely possible, Howe I note their modelling doesn’t go so far as to estimate how long for. A fortnight? A decade? That's because they can't possibly know how long it will be before a no deal Britain caves in and goes begging to the EU. They can't possibly know what further stupid decisions the government might make. Prices will stay higher for a long as tariffs remain in place. As they note, if we scrap import tariffs then we'll end farming (and though they don't mention it, likely manufacturing also) in the UK. That would mean this summer possibly being the last with a broad range of British produce available. This is all in agreement with WTO simulations and the ERG economist Michen's report. The entire import chain around food is through Europe and into Dover. We don't have any other route into the country at that scale. They can't possibly know how long the queues are going to be but will have noted that the government is planning to stack lorries on a disused airfield. They also can't know how long petrol supplies will last given that these are also high risk and likely to be rationed in the event of no deal. Fresh produce is seasonal. We get it from different countries in different months. We can't just switch supply from one country to another without it having the same seasonal variation. We will go from having trade deals with over 100 nations, via the EU's trade deals, to none. They can't possibly know how long it would take Liam 'Mr Efficient' Fox to scrawl even one into being, particularly as he hasn't got any ready to go. They can't know how low our food standards will drop if we decide to do trade deals with the US and other countries with lesser standards. Prices will be higher with tariffs in place. If food has to be sourced from further away it will cost more due to transportation costs, and not last as long on the shelves due to the time taken to reach us. If Dover is snarled up goods might not even reach the shelves. It was never project fear.
Toddybad Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 43 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said: I'd vote remain now just to get him to shut the **** up. He's got stamina aint he. Ill be honest, I am finding it all a little awkward the way that all the evidence and facts keeps landing in support of my arguments.
yorkie1999 Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 8 hours ago, Toddybad said: That's because they can't possibly know how long it will be before a no deal Britain caves in and goes begging to the EU. They can't possibly know what further stupid decisions the government might make. Prices will stay higher for a long as tariffs remain in place. As they note, if we scrap import tariffs then we'll end farming (and though they don't mention it, likely manufacturing also) in the UK. That would mean this summer possibly being the last with a broad range of British produce available. This is all in agreement with WTO simulations and the ERG economist Michen's report. The entire import chain around food is through Europe and into Dover. We don't have any other route into the country at that scale. They can't possibly know how long the queues are going to be but will have noted that the government is planning to stack lorries on a disused airfield. They also can't know how long petrol supplies will last given that these are also high risk and likely to be rationed in the event of no deal. Fresh produce is seasonal. We get it from different countries in different months. We can't just switch supply from one country to another without it having the same seasonal variation. We will go from having trade deals with over 100 nations, via the EU's trade deals, to none. They can't possibly know how long it would take Liam 'Mr Efficient' Fox to scrawl even one into being, particularly as he hasn't got any ready to go. They can't know how low our food standards will drop if we decide to do trade deals with the US and other countries with lesser standards. Prices will be higher with tariffs in place. If food has to be sourced from further away it will cost more due to transportation costs, and not last as long on the shelves due to the time taken to reach us. If Dover is snarled up goods might not even reach the shelves. It was never project fear. So, What do you suggest?
Toddybad Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: So, What do you suggest? As a remainer I'd predictably say a second referendum. But to be practical, I still don't understand what was wrong with TM's deal for leavers. It got us out without chaos and the backstop is just an insurance policy until a trade deal is signed. Tbh I seriously dislike the positions that Labour has taken in recent months but the idea of a permanent customs union is probably the most sensible. We don't need our own trade deals, they won't be better than what a huge EU trading bloc can negotiate as we'll have less leverage. It'll solve the Irish problem, stop any chaos at the ports and keep us trading worldwide, whilst also ending freedom of movement. Let's be honest, if there been an option in the referendum to stay in the EU but end freedom of movement it would have won by a landslide.
yorkie1999 Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 2 hours ago, Toddybad said: As a remainer I'd predictably say a second referendum. But to be practical, I still don't understand what was wrong with TM's deal for leavers. It got us out without chaos and the backstop is just an insurance policy until a trade deal is signed. Tbh I seriously dislike the positions that Labour has taken in recent months but the idea of a permanent customs union is probably the most sensible. We don't need our own trade deals, they won't be better than what a huge EU trading bloc can negotiate as we'll have less leverage. It'll solve the Irish problem, stop any chaos at the ports and keep us trading worldwide, whilst also ending freedom of movement. Let's be honest, if there been an option in the referendum to stay in the EU but end freedom of movement it would have won by a landslide. I think this is the real problem which has created all these problems including the result of the vote to leave the EU. It's not necessary freedom of movement that's the real issue, i don't think anyone has a problem with natural EU citizens settling or working in the UK, it's the fact a (political) financial refuge, of which there seem to be millions, can land in Italy, Greece or wherever, be given full EU status and consequently be moved on to the Uk and can then claim anything they want through our generous benefits system.
Toddybad Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: I think this is the real problem which has created all these problems including the result of the vote to leave the EU. It's not necessary freedom of movement that's the real issue, i don't think anyone has a problem with natural EU citizens settling or working in the UK, it's the fact a (political) financial refuge, of which there seem to be millions, can land in Italy, Greece or wherever, be given full EU status and consequently be moved on to the Uk and can then claim anything they want through our generous benefits system. This isn't actually true though. Even within the EU, as Belgium does, we can require EU nationals (or anybody else) to leave the country if they haven't got a job within 3 months. And as somebody that had previously worked within the benefits system I can tell you with certainty that you can't claim benefits within the first three months as our benefit rules require you to prove that you have been here longer than that and are a permanant resident. Really, the truth of it is that the problem is a lack of honesty about these sorts of rules by vote leave and a failure by government (of all stripes) to counter these sorts of false arguments over many, many years.
The People's Hero Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 14 hours ago, Facecloth said: Shouldn't have to "manage". I thought Brexit was going to be amazing and wonderful (according to those who championed it), now it " oh we'll get by, don't worry" It ****ing joke. We're the most monumentally retarded nation on the planet, so happy to shoot ourselves in the foot, and then simultaneously moan that we haven't shot ourselves in the other foot yet and telling everyone it's ok because we'll save money on shoes. If we're having to "manage" then we are giving up something better than what we're getting. Saying you'll "manage" is what you say when you lose your job, or your partner leaves you. You try to stay positive but you know it's going to be shit. I usually can’t stand your posts but you have nailed it, sir. Nicely done.
RoboFox Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 Wish the BBC started taking this odious toad to account in the same way Claire Byrne does. They continue to give him a platform, yet his erroneous horsesh*t goes often unchallenged. He looks like he's both literally and figuratively melting. Someone wash him away down the nearest drain before he starts to stink the place out.
Jimothy Posted 29 January 2019 Posted 29 January 2019 3 minutes ago, The People's Hero said: I usually can’t stand your posts but you have nailed it, sir. Nicely done. Thanks for the backhanded compliment
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