Izzy Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 1 minute ago, bovril said: I am surprised how disconnected so many people seem to be from the reality of it. Maybe so. Maybe I’ve just been in denial and hoped it would all go away. I’m now going through my client and prospect list to identify who else might be affected or use Brexit as a reason not to spend money with me. Now I’m getting a bit worried.
bovril Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 Just now, Izzy said: Maybe so. Maybe I’ve just been in denial and hoped it would all go away. I’m now going through my client and prospect list to identify who else might be affected or use Brexit as a reason not to spend money with me. Now I’m getting a bit worried. I'm worried, and I think it'll be negative for myself and for lots of people I know. But I guess there's only so long I can continue to say it, I just have to hope I'm very wrong.
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 20 minutes ago, Izzy said: Maybe so. Maybe I’ve just been in denial and hoped it would all go away. I’m now going through my client and prospect list to identify who else might be affected or use Brexit as a reason not to spend money with me. Now I’m getting a bit worried. 17 minutes ago, bovril said: I'm worried, and I think it'll be negative for myself and for lots of people I know. But I guess there's only so long I can continue to say it, I just have to hope I'm very wrong. I voted remain, not through any love for the EU, but because I just want a quiet life. If the EU ever caused me any problems, at least they were first world problems.
BrokenRecord Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 46 minutes ago, Izzy said: Maybe so. Maybe I’ve just been in denial and hoped it would all go away. I’m now going through my client and prospect list to identify who else might be affected or use Brexit as a reason not to spend money with me. Now I’m getting a bit worried. Well at least they'll be shutting up and getting on with Brexit in a month or so, like you wanted. After all it was all just fear mongering from remoaners.
Izzy Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 8 minutes ago, BrokenRecord said: Well at least they'll be shutting up and getting on with Brexit in a month or so, like you wanted. After all it was all just fear mongering from remoaners. I voted remain. I just want a resolution and quickly so we can all get back to normal life.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 7 minutes ago, Izzy said: I voted remain. I just want a resolution and quickly so we can all get back to normal life. Find it amazing that people say they just want it over now and quickly. Things wont go back to normal for a long time after this, whichever way it goes.
Toddybad Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 1 hour ago, Izzy said: First time it’s got real for me personally and impacted on my work and finances. Up until now it’s just been noise. I'm afraid to tell you Izzy, but if the hardcore brexiteers get their way, this is just the beginning.
Strokes Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 13 minutes ago, Toddybad said: I'm afraid to tell you Izzy, but if the hardcore brexiteers get their way, this is just the beginning.
Toddybad Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 26 minutes ago, Strokes said: Hey strokes. Nice to see you. I know, I know, it was either project fear or you always knew there be problems to begin with. So I don't get accused of rigging the list I wondered if you'd be able to keep hold of the list of companies that either shift jobs, hq and/or tax out of the UK as we go? So far there's not many to start with, though there may be more that just haven't made front page news in the last few days: Sony - European HQ gone Panasonic - European HQ gone Then the watch list: Barclays - got court order to remove £190bn in taxable assets to Ireland Nissan - allegedly about to pull the next model out of Britain Airbus - pulling work out of Britain and been clear no deal means no airbus Jaguar Land Rover - same as airbus Perhaps we could have a pinned note from you that stays at the top with this list on one side and then, so we don't forget and worry, the benefits of brexit listed on the other?
Strokes Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 58 minutes ago, Toddybad said: Hey strokes. Nice to see you. I know, I know, it was either project fear or you always knew there be problems to begin with. So I don't get accused of rigging the list I wondered if you'd be able to keep hold of the list of companies that either shift jobs, hq and/or tax out of the UK as we go? So far there's not many to start with, though there may be more that just haven't made front page news in the last few days: Sony - European HQ gone Panasonic - European HQ gone Then the watch list: Barclays - got court order to remove £190bn in taxable assets to Ireland Nissan - allegedly about to pull the next model out of Britain Airbus - pulling work out of Britain and been clear no deal means no airbus Jaguar Land Rover - same as airbus Perhaps we could have a pinned note from you that stays at the top with this list on one side and then, so we don't forget and worry, the benefits of brexit listed on the other? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rfi.fr/en/economy/20171107-paradise-papers-frances-dassault-accused-aiding-tax-dodgers Air Bus https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2013/apr/03/barclays-tax-avoidance-salz-review-scm Barclays https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethicalcampaigns/tax-justice/tax-avoidance-rankings Sony and Barclays again. Its a shame about the automotive industries but there will always be some collateral damage. As for the other shady tax avoiders, I won’t shed any tears I have no problem with things getting tight economically because of it, globalisation is not something I like or welcome and watching it get destroyed in this country would cheer me up. It’s a shame it couldn’t be gradually eroded but this is the only way. I’m not some free trade crusader and never have been.
Toddybad Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rfi.fr/en/economy/20171107-paradise-papers-frances-dassault-accused-aiding-tax-dodgers Air Bus https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2013/apr/03/barclays-tax-avoidance-salz-review-scm Barclays https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethicalcampaigns/tax-justice/tax-avoidance-rankings Sony and Barclays again. Its a shame about the automotive industries but there will always be some collateral damage. As for the other shady tax avoiders, I won’t shed any tears I have no problem with things getting tight economically because of it, globalisation is not something I like or welcome and watching it get destroyed in this country would cheer me up. It’s a shame it couldn’t be gradually eroded but this is the only way. I’m not some free trade crusader and never have been. Collateral damage is people's jobs and livelihoods. It's our tax revenue. I can think of good arguments against globalisation, free trade and the current economic framework but - and corbyn fails on this same point when he goes too OTT - one country can't do it alone.
Strokes Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 2 minutes ago, Toddybad said: Collateral damage is people's jobs and livelihoods. It's our tax revenue. We aren’t talking of millions of jobs in that list and most of them will be highly skilled that will easily find work. We won’t ever agree on brexit Toddy, but I think we can both agree the governments approach has done neither side any favours. I think I’m probably keener on Corbyn these day than you are. 2 minutes ago, Toddybad said: I can think of good arguments against globalisation, free trade and the current economic framework but - and corbyn fails on this same point when he goes too OTT - one country can't do it alone. Agree to disagree. I don’t have the appetite for lengthy debate these days. Too busy working trying to sit on as much money as possible for the 29th ?
Strokes Posted 2 February 2019 Posted 2 February 2019 Oh and I don’t think I said welcome back @Toddybad
Vardinio'sCat Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 6 hours ago, Strokes said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rfi.fr/en/economy/20171107-paradise-papers-frances-dassault-accused-aiding-tax-dodgers Air Bus https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2013/apr/03/barclays-tax-avoidance-salz-review-scm Barclays https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethicalcampaigns/tax-justice/tax-avoidance-rankings Sony and Barclays again. Its a shame about the automotive industries but there will always be some collateral damage. As for the other shady tax avoiders, I won’t shed any tears I have no problem with things getting tight economically because of it, globalisation is not something I like or welcome and watching it get destroyed in this country would cheer me up. It’s a shame it couldn’t be gradually eroded but this is the only way. I’m not some free trade crusader and never have been. I didn't see collateral damage on the side of a bus, maybe I missed something.
Strokes Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 1 hour ago, Vardinio'sCat said: I didn't see collateral damage on the side of a bus, maybe I missed something. The governments pre-ref, £9mil leaflets clearly stated what negatives there could be to the economy, so it wasn’t necessary to promote any negatives.
Vacamion Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 We could have told you all this after our own divisive, close-call referendum up here in Scotland in 2014. You can't eat national flags.
Lionator Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 13 hours ago, bovril said: I am surprised how disconnected so many people seem to be from the reality of it. It's the 'it'll never happen to me' effect which Brits are especially fond of. We live in such a privileged position that we've never had a real threat to our way of first world living since 1945. Why did we do this to ourselves again?
Toddybad Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 23 minutes ago, Lionator said: It's the 'it'll never happen to me' effect which Brits are especially fond of. We live in such a privileged position that we've never had a real threat to our way of first world living since 1945. Why did we do this to ourselves again? Every time I see brexiteers audience members howling for a hard brexit on question time they are grey haired. Our pensioners didn't fight in the wars yet bang on about them continuously. They lived charmed lives where homes could be bought with one wage and income have risen quickly. Instead of being grateful, they've turned the EU into some object of hate despite it not being clear what exactly is wrong with it. Single instances of non-deportations are used to claim that the rules that guarantee all our human rights are no good. Workers rights are rolled back by the very age group that most benefited from them. They have triple locked pensions are never have to pay for the results of their votes. The older ones didn't pay for the last financial crisis and they won't pay for the next one. They're entirely insulated from the effects of job losses. They've left a dark future for their children and grandchildren that didn't want it.
Izzy Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 In other news, what's happened to brother @Buce I wonder? Always a regular poster on here and Gen Chat but last seen over 3 weeks ago Maybe he's hiking in the wilderness or maybe he's done a Toddy and just taking a break. Hope he hasn't gone full @Webbo and gone for good
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 26 minutes ago, Toddybad said: Every time I see brexiteers audience members howling for a hard brexit on question time they are grey haired. Our pensioners didn't fight in the wars yet bang on about them continuously. They lived charmed lives where homes could be bought with one wage and income have risen quickly. Instead of being grateful, they've turned the EU into some object of hate despite it not being clear what exactly is wrong with it. Single instances of non-deportations are used to claim that the rules that guarantee all our human rights are no good. Workers rights are rolled back by the very age group that most benefited from them. They have triple locked pensions are never have to pay for the results of their votes. The older ones didn't pay for the last financial crisis and they won't pay for the next one. They're entirely insulated from the effects of job losses. They've left a dark future for their children and grandchildren that didn't want it. I think you are just a scare monger. There is bound to be adverse fall out from Brexit but I see this being short term. We are the fifth biggest economy in the World and I think long term the French and German economies will suffer more than ours as they continue to pump billions into the EU and presumably also have to make up the deficit from our missing billions. So in a nutshell short term pain for long term gain. Any non Brexit decision now will be denying the British people their democratic rights.
Toddybad Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 27 minutes ago, Izzy said: In other news, what's happened to brother @Buce I wonder? Always a regular poster on here and Gen Chat but last seen over 3 weeks ago Maybe he's hiking in the wilderness or maybe he's done a Toddy and just taking a break. Hope he hasn't gone full @Webbo and gone for good Tbf I was banned. Probably rightly. I don't really want to get too involved in this thread tbh but at the moment with brexit so close I'm genuinally worried for my country. One it's over, so long as it isn't a stupid hard brexit, I'll quieten down again.
Toddybad Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 9 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said: I think you are just a scare monger. There is bound to be adverse fall out from Brexit but I see this being short term. We are the fifth biggest economy in the World and I think long term the French and German economies will suffer more than ours as they continue to pump billions into the EU and presumably also have to make up the deficit from our missing billions. So in a nutshell short term pain for long term gain. Any non Brexit decision now will be denying the British people their democratic rights. We were the 5th biggest economy before the vote. We're now the 6th and expected to sin be the 7th. A second referendum is more democracy. The first lot of democracy didn't set the terms of our leaving, though all the main leave players talked about being like Norway (and we were efta members before we joined the eu/ec). Leave promised all of the benefits with none of the downsides. Any tslk of adversity was shouted down as project fear. Yet now we're supposed to believe that was what everybody voted for? Ill take the word of the experts that don't share your sunny view.
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 6 minutes ago, Toddybad said: A second referendum is more democracy. The first lot of democracy didn't set the terms of our leaving, though all the main leave players talked about being like Norway (and we were efta members before we joined the eu/ec). Leave promised all of the benefits with none of the downsides. Any tslk of adversity was shouted down as project fear. Yet now we're supposed to believe that was what everybody voted for? Ill take the word of the experts over some bloke on foxestalk. A second referendum is basically saying because the some of the politicians didn't like the result of the first one can we try again ? I didn't like the result against Cardiff at home this season … can we declare the match null and void and play it again ? Anyway let's leave it there. We are both entitled to our own opinions as both of us choose to live in a hopefully democratic country.
leicsmac Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 17 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said: A second referendum is basically saying because the some of the politicians didn't like the result of the first one can we try again ? I didn't like the result against Cardiff at home this season … can we declare the match null and void and play it again ? Anyway let's leave it there. We are both entitled to our own opinions as both of us choose to live in a hopefully democratic country. Absolutely, free speech is free speech. However, and this is crucial, what we are not entitled to is our own facts that are then used to shape policy. I'm not necessarily talking about Brexit here, but I think it is a distinction that needs to be made in this age of anti-vaxxers and climate change ignorance (not denial).
Toddybad Posted 3 February 2019 Posted 3 February 2019 2 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Absolutely, free speech is free speech. However, and this is crucial, what we are not entitled to is our own facts that are then used to shape policy. I'm not necessarily talking about Brexit here, but I think it is a distinction that needs to be made in this age of anti-vaxxers and climate change ignorance (not denial). Absolutely. What brexit shares with those things is that in public discourse people with opinions are being allowed to share a platform with experts. It is not a good thing.
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