What are the Players doing wrong?

[Winchesterfox]

 

 

55 minutes ago, vanity said:

Well, today James Maddison sat around with his finger up his backside watching while we allowed a goal:  https://streamja.com/3BG6. Best thing imaginable to pull him at the half, he was dreadful.

 

We have to play 90 minutes to consistently beat inferior competition. Problem is, we just about never play 90 minutes. 

That clip of Maddison strolling around not putting pressure on the goalscorer is just pathetic. 

 

Didn't do Mahrez any harm when he got dropped for not defending properly. 

[Anglodanglo]

Googling Foxestalk and their name after a match.

[ozleicester]

1 Wanting to play the same way they did in 15/16

2 not stepping up to change their attitudes to new management

3 Behaving in a way that suggests they are more important than the club manager

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

And why does a major part of the game plan in recent games involve crossing the ball - to who? We all love JV, but he’s no target man. I don’t get it. And playing a single striker just isn’t working.

 

Many issues outlined in this thread. I was thinking about it last night and may be going into the Puel Out Camp. We just seem to be on a road to nowhere. I see John Percy made this point yesterday. It makes me wonder if a senior player has said as much...

[NotTheMarketLeader]

14 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Except that's obviously not what I'm saying. He's mediocre, he's not dreadful and we as a club should know that having sat through Taylor, Holloway, Levein, Sousa, Worthington and Kelly in the last 18 years. Could we do better? Maybe, if we looked like getting someone like Nagelsmann I'd bin him off. Are we likely to do better? Look at our past recruitment? No. Do our problems run deeper than the manager? Yes. It's been the same problem since the title win, across 3 managers now.

What I have been sure of since January and I have continued to state is that Puel was a bad appointment; and yes the same as Shakespeare was. I predicted this unraveling then. We have a guy here 10 years out of date in his thinking and tactics.

 

I agree we need a different forward thinking manager as you suggest, who maybe should be given Carte Blanche to alter some of the the structure’s within. What we don’t need is a merry go round manager a la Pardew, Hughes, Alladyce.

 

The club should be organising a replacement now for May imo. This season  has been another waste.

[Foxhateram]

11 hours ago, vanity said:

Well, today James Maddison sat around with his finger up his backside watching while we allowed a goal:  https://streamja.com/3BG6. Best thing imaginable to pull him at the half, he was dreadful.

 

We have to play 90 minutes to consistently beat inferior competition. Problem is, we just about never play 90 minutes. 

Didn't notice that until now. He's needs dropping after that. There is so much strolling around. You have to question what is happening behind the scenes here. Something isn't right.

[HenryLCFC]

10 hours ago, Winchesterfox said:

 

 

That clip of Maddison strolling around not putting pressure on the goalscorer is just pathetic. 

 

Didn't do Mahrez any harm when he got dropped for not defending properly. 

That is terrible from Maddison. This is the problem with him having a 'free role'. He thinks he's special (which he is) but it shouldn't mean he doesn't have any defensive responsibilities. Good on Puel for subbing him off for this. 

 

Said it before, I wouldn't even play him number ten. He should be in centre mid where he's more involved. 

 

[Rigga]

Puel harps on about possession based football and building from the back.. Exactly the reason that everything is safe with our play.. And let’s be honest it’s boring as to watch.

 

we all would have seen during games a player receives the ball with space to run into and commit a defender but instead choose the safe sideways/backwards option.

Absolute torturous to watch!

[dyanmark]

Just watched that again and  it was bloody dreadful from Madison .10 year old sunday morning basics .If that's the best he can do he has no future

the keeper and Vardy moment is interesting from the other angle as the keeper knows he is trouble  barges across vardy arguably fouling him first

[ForeverandEver]

Nampalys Mendy

[GingerrrFox]

I’ve already explained in more detail in the Puel out thread but to summarise; go and watch how Ajax play the 4-2-3-1, particularly the game against Bayern this past week in the Champions League. It was the perfect embodiment of possession football in this system.

 

The goalkeeper very rarely went long, always tried to play it forward and simple into the centre backs or the two CDMs.

 

The full backs held the width and played high and wide.

 

The centre backs both comfortable on the ball with a varied passing range either going short or switching the play to either full back on the flanks.

 

The midfield two were constantly trying to play the ball forwards, only went backwards if it was necessary to keep hold of possession if they found themselves in a tight situation.

 

The 3 behind the striker were constant movement, one minute Ziyech is on the right then he’s interchanged with Neres to the left. Constant movement to find space and throw off the defence.

 

Tadic up top either looking to threaten in behind or play 1-2s to open space for the 3 behind him.

 

It was high tempo possession football and if they lost the ball, as a team they pressed fast and high to try and win the ball back or force Bayern into making an error. 

 

That is how the 4-2-3-1 should be played.

 

[mazarron fox]

I am going to watch my other team play away this afternoon in Spain. Last season we got relegated from the Spanish 3rd division and are currently mid table in the provincial league. Whether we win draw or lose today it won’t be for lack of effort as our boys only get paid if they win and half for a draw, lose and it’s nada. win or not they seem a team together and proud to play for the club and give 100% I honestly don’t think that applies to some of our lot at the moment.

[Quorn_fox]

From recollection two of our better attacking performances have been  against Huddersfield (I know they were poor) and Arsenal away in the first half. No coincidence for me that all of Vardy, Maddison and Iheanacho played in those games, even though Vardy was poor against Arsenal. I think we need to get these three in the team and close enough in position so that they can hurt teams.

[sylofox]

18 hours ago, Blue'nWhiteFox said:

I assume the players simply follow their orders of how to play. 

 

Then the right question is to ask: What are the Manager doing wrong?

But the correct question would be. 

What is the manager doing wrong? 

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, HenryLCFC said:

That is terrible from Maddison. This is the problem with him having a 'free role'. He thinks he's special (which he is) but it shouldn't mean he doesn't have any defensive responsibilities. Good on Puel for subbing him off for this. 

 

Said it before, I wouldn't even play him number ten. He should be in centre mid where he's more involved. 

 

Tbh he's supposed to have two defensive midfielders behind him.

[Rigga]

6 hours ago, HenryLCFC said:

That is terrible from Maddison. This is the problem with him having a 'free role'. He thinks he's special (which he is) but it shouldn't mean he doesn't have any defensive responsibilities. Good on Puel for subbing him off for this. 

 

Said it before, I wouldn't even play him number ten. He should be in centre mid where he's more involved. 

 

Questioning Maddison and his work rate or lack of it and then saying he should play CM ? If he isn’t putting a shift in as a number 10, you certainly are not going to get the best out of him as a CM

[dyanmark]

No surprise that our best chance came with Nacho up within a few yards of Vardy and slipping him in .Madison is usually a lot deeper looking for the pass.I feel he may be easy on the eye but not that good.

[GingerrrFox]

2 hours ago, dyanmark said:

No surprise that our best chance came with Nacho up within a few yards of Vardy and slipping him in .Madison is usually a lot deeper looking for the pass.I feel he may be easy on the eye but not that good.

Hit the nail on the head. Maddison was dragged off because he’s not playing like a number 10. All this dropping deep to pick the ball up off the centre backs is infuriating Puel. Personally I think we’ve bought a dud. I would have preferred Grealish in the summer, said it then and stick by it now. Maddison is a show pony. Glorified Paul Gallagher. 

[Monsell1976]

Their not doing anything wrong, they are not as good as some people think, and barring a couple of just above average premier league players, the rest are basic premier league standard.

 We are what we are, a negative manager, bang average players, finish about tenth again, get used to it, unless we can get rid of the over paid, bang average players retain, and recruited at silly money, and high wages, and actually recruit quality from the manager down.

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Mendy isnt closing down people shooting on the edge of our box

 

Vardy isnt finishing 1 on 1s

 

Chilwell and Maddison are doing too many newspaper interviews

 

Iheanacho is at fault for the three things i've just stated

[mazarron fox]

10 hours ago, mazarron fox said:

I am going to watch my other team play away this afternoon in Spain. Last season we got relegated from the Spanish 3rd division and are currently mid table in the provincial league. Whether we win draw or lose today it won’t be for lack of effort as our boys only get paid if they win and half for a draw, lose and it’s nada. win or not they seem a team together and proud to play for the club and give 100% I honestly don’t think that applies to some of our lot at the moment.

Just an update we won 1-0 away and our new manager plays 3 at the back and we already look a match better team just saying

[Dr The Singh]

Players need to ignore the manager and play there natural game

[volpeazzurro]

On 16/12/2018 at 10:01, GingerrrFox said:

I’ve already explained in more detail in the Puel out thread but to summarise; go and watch how Ajax play the 4-2-3-1, particularly the game against Bayern this past week in the Champions League. It was the perfect embodiment of possession football in this system.

 

The goalkeeper very rarely went long, always tried to play it forward and simple into the centre backs or the two CDMs.

 

The full backs held the width and played high and wide.

 

The centre backs both comfortable on the ball with a varied passing range either going short or switching the play to either full back on the flanks.

 

The midfield two were constantly trying to play the ball forwards, only went backwards if it was necessary to keep hold of possession if they found themselves in a tight situation.

 

The 3 behind the striker were constant movement, one minute Ziyech is on the right then he’s interchanged with Neres to the left. Constant movement to find space and throw off the defence.

 

Tadic up top either looking to threaten in behind or play 1-2s to open space for the 3 behind him.

 

It was high tempo possession football and if they lost the ball, as a team they pressed fast and high to try and win the ball back or force Bayern into making an error. 

 

That is how the 4-2-3-1 should be played.

 

I haven't seen it but from what Puel says, it does appear to be that is the sort of thing he has in mind. Having watched the match, would you say that we have the players capable of doing it if coached properly or is it a case of Puel may be trying but we have a few important cogs missing at this moment in time? If the latter, who would you say needs upgrading? 

[drofmor55]

Maddisons lack of effort to close down the Palace goalscorer was very similar to Mendy's failing to close down Son for his goal for Spurs.

The reason West Ham are doing well now is the effort the likes of Noble,Snodgrass,Rice  and Zabaleta are putting in. We have become too lightweight.

[FarleighFox]

Sadly Maddison thinks he's made it into the big time. Still a lazy player who like Gray is often too slow seeing the pass available. We need experienced players in the midfield to help ndidi and mendy.