Vardy

[Nick]

I really don’t think Vardy has lost his pace. I simply think the change in style of football has everybody convinced he’s become slower when it’s because they just don’t see him run anymore because there’s limited point in him doing so when we don’t have anybody that could get the ball to him from anywhere else but the corner flag.

[Nick]

And will Puel start him against Palace or is it Gray and Ghezzal now as first on the teamsheet?

[Babylon]

13 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

I really don’t think Vardy has lost his pace.

In 2015 season Vardy was clocked as the quickest player in the premier league since records began, in 2017/2018 he was clocked as the 10th quickest player, the last article I can find he wasn't in the top 15. He is not immune to the effects of aging I'm afraid and the pace will slowly keep going.

 

He's still quite quick, but he used to be ridiculously rapid and it was easy for him to exploit virtually every defender.

[Nick]

37 minutes ago, Babylon said:

In 2015 season Vardy was clocked as the quickest player in the premier league since records began, in 2017/2018 he was clocked as the 10th quickest player, the last article I can find he wasn't in the top 15. He is not immune to the effects of aging I'm afraid and the pace will slowly keep going.

 

He's still quite quick, but he used to be ridiculously rapid and it was easy for him to exploit virtually every defender.

If you look at the fastest players in the league they change loads I think Chilwell is clocked as being our fastest player but I’d be willing to bet Vardy is still a tad quicker it’s just that he doesn’t get to run anymore playing Puel ball.

 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said:

I really don’t think Vardy has lost his pace. I simply think the change in style of football has everybody convinced he’s become slower when it’s because they just don’t see him run anymore because there’s limited point in him doing so when we don’t have anybody that could get the ball to him from anywhere else but the corner flag.

I’m pretty confident in saying that he isn’t as quick...... but we dont really play balls over the top any more in any case because teams won’t take the chance and drop deep.(we have seen a few chases this season where defenders have matched him for pace - that didn’t happen a couple of seasons ago) 

 

as we saw on Sunday, his anticipation if we can get around the back more often could be where he gets most joy now. 

[Nick]

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 if we can get around the back more often could be where he gets most joy now. 

I thought that was something that happened more in your 50’s?

[Corky]

Vardy hasn't been as effective this season but you have to bear in mind how exceptional his strike rate was last season. Wasn't it 20 goals from 70 shots or something like that? He was so clinical.

 

The issue is not dropping him for lack of form, it's that the alternatives are a significant drop down in terms of potency and threat. It will help if we can create chances like his goal on Sunday more regularly.

[Matt]

2 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

And will Puel start him against Palace or is it Gray and Ghezzal now as first on the teamsheet?

 

Well someone made the point to me yesterday, apparently Puel came out after the Spurs game once again playing down any rift between the two claiming he was 'planning for the future' and 'experimenting' so if that truly is the case surely he has to continue with the experiment does he not?

 

[LCFCSOULBOY]

Some very good points on here, but I have to say football is a results game. Unfortunately when you are building for the future. Vards is a legend but he will not be forever. You/we may not agree with Puel decisions, tactics etc. But he is the manager. He deserves respect of the players. They are not playing for fun. They are millionaire professionals. I have wanted to call a boss a knobhead but I knew I would have been sacked. Some of us are not guaranteed 100k a week. 

Bottom line is in the last 3 seasons are players have not performed for the managers until they are critised. Heck Shakey played to Vardy and the teams strengths and they still got him the sack. Think it's time for a shake up. Don't think Puel will be here next season but I do think we will be a lot better off for him

[TheLittleBigMan]

2 minutes ago, LCFCSOULBOY said:

Some very good points on here

[Ric Flair]

4 hours ago, Jimmy said:

Nacho had played the previous games of Vardy's ban and been awful, from the start of the season he basically had the chance to replace Vardy and didn't take it

Disagree he'd done well vs Fleetwood and set up the equaliser vs Southampton. It was the first time it appeared he would be given a clear run of games and he was subbed off in both after an hour and then dropped vs Liverpool. It was strange.

[The Doctor]

22 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Disagree he'd done well vs Fleetwood and set up the equaliser vs Southampton. It was the first time it appeared he would be given a clear run of games and he was subbed off in both after an hour and then dropped vs Liverpool. It was strange.

Fleetwood in the cup, hadn't he missed two first half and got a small injury? Seem to remember he came out for second half, scored within 2 minutes and subbed off straight afterwards. Was a weird sub, I assumed he wasn't really able to carry on but Puel wanted him to get a goal for himself first

[Mr Weller]

Vardy remains our best striker irrespective of whether he has lost any pace. It’s no use building for the future if you’re losing games because that’s the point of the game.

 

Build for the future gradually and when players are genuinely ready for the first team it’ll show. You shouldn’t play players because they’re young but because they’re good enough. There won’t be a future for a manager who doesn’t win games.

 

This is why Puel sometimes gets the balance wrong. If he’s not very careful his long term strategy will never be realised because he has no short term strategy. You have to balance the two carefully if you are to survive.

[Ric Flair]

23 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Fleetwood in the cup, hadn't he missed two first half and got a small injury? Seem to remember he came out for second half, scored within 2 minutes and subbed off straight afterwards. Was a weird sub, I assumed he wasn't really able to carry on but Puel wanted him to get a goal for himself first

Yeah, he had been involved in absolutely everything and was unlucky not to of had a hat-trick. Finally got his goal and then went off, there was no mention of the injury though. It was also odd he went off vs Southampton after he had set up the equaliser and had played quite well all game. I know we ended up winning in injury time but it was a bit of a kick in the teeth for him as he had been waiting finally for 2-3 games of no Vardy. 

 

Then he was dropped, madness. Came on vs Liverpool and was again a menace. Sadly since September he has lost all form, I think his best position for us is in the area between midfield and attack, whether that is the 10 role or where Ghezzal played but he is an intelligent passer and right now nobody plays the 9 role on their own well enough so for me he is better suited with Vardy if he is to play.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Yeah, he had been involved in absolutely everything and was unlucky not to of had a hat-trick. Finally got his goal and then went off, there was no mention of the injury though. 

Maybe not then, I've just got a half memory of him stretching for a cross, not quite getting there and Phil Babbing it.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

On 12/02/2019 at 15:55, Babylon said:

In 2015 season Vardy was clocked as the quickest player in the premier league since records began, in 2017/2018 he was clocked as the 10th quickest player, the last article I can find he wasn't in the top 15. He is not immune to the effects of aging I'm afraid and the pace will slowly keep going.

 

He's still quite quick, but he used to be ridiculously rapid and it was easy for him to exploit virtually every defender.

Those stats had Fuchs as one of the fastest in the league....

 

He's still the quickest over 20m at the club by some distance.

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Yeah, he had been involved in absolutely everything and was unlucky not to of had a hat-trick. Finally got his goal and then went off, there was no mention of the injury though. It was also odd he went off vs Southampton after he had set up the equaliser and had played quite well all game. I know we ended up winning in injury time but it was a bit of a kick in the teeth for him as he had been waiting finally for 2-3 games of no Vardy. 

 

Then he was dropped, madness. Came on vs Liverpool and was again a menace. Sadly since September he has lost all form, I think his best position for us is in the area between midfield and attack, whether that is the 10 role or where Ghezzal played but he is an intelligent passer and right now nobody plays the 9 role on their own well enough so for me he is better suited with Vardy if he is to play.

He was absolutely terrible in that Southampton match.

[Max Power]

He’s defo ‘lost a yard’ but he is still gonna be the man to get in behind. He just isn’t gonna streak past guys 40 yards from goal. His timing of the runs will get him in but he may find our new (attempted) possession game gets  him those opportunities closer to goal where it’s a 5 yard burst and the run makes the chance. 

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said:

He was absolutely terrible in that Southampton match.

I was there, he wasn't. He set the equaliser up. 

[dmayne7]

 

On 12/02/2019 at 15:55, Babylon said:

In 2015 season Vardy was clocked as the quickest player in the premier league since records began, in 2017/2018 he was clocked as the 10th quickest player, the last article I can find he wasn't in the top 15. He is not immune to the effects of aging I'm afraid and the pace will slowly keep going.

 

He's still quite quick, but he used to be ridiculously rapid and it was easy for him to exploit virtually every defender.

Pretty sure Vardy said a couple of months back that he was still exactly the same on the speed metrics in training and games.

 

If he'd lost a yard of pace he wouldn't be scoring the goal he did on Sunday; he needed super good acceleration and the sharpness to get that ahead of the defender.

 

Also, Phil Jagielka was top of those fastest player stats 2 seasons ago, Albrighton was in the top 10 halfway through the season when we won the league. I think I'd probably still be putting my money on Vards in a race...

[fuchsntf]

On 12/02/2019 at 18:52, Corky said:

Vardy hasn't been as effective this season but you have to bear in mind how exceptional his strike rate was last season. Wasn't it 20 goals from 70 shots or something like that? He was so clinical.

 

The issue is not dropping him for lack of form, it's that the alternatives are a significant drop down in terms of potency and threat. It will help if we can create chances like his goal on Sunday more regularly.

But we have!!!   And not just for Vardy...Creating hasn't been the major issue..conversion-rate is!!!

[VLC86]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I was there, he wasn't. He set the equaliser up. 

So was I and I can rememeber getting annoyed at his lack of closing down, if I remember rightly his assist actually didn’t even go directly to Gray.

 

On a spectrum of his performances it wasn’t his worst admittedly but he was still poor.

[StanSP]

 

[Corky]

Yeah, I saw him and his wife at the station after the game, Rodgers' post match team talk can't have been that long!