Stevosevic Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Have to say this is much worse than I thought. 20 goals in 19 games.
Hammo Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 The sort of damning stats that any decent journo would throw at Puel and ask him to explain what he and the team are doing wrong and how he proposes to fix it.
The Doctor Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 5th best away form over the last 8 away games, 3rd worst home form: https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england Wonder what the difference could be. Couldn't possibly be the toxic atmosphere at home that the players are free from away...
surrifox Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 If it’s not fixed I am fearful for 2019/2020 season
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Can the away form quell all criticism of the home form? The reason I ask is the majority of fans only watch us at home and the abysmal performances and results over the last year is what's driving this distaste with Puel. Our home form simply isn't good enough. I'd love all these prats that pipe up in the media to spend the time to try and understand where the unhappiness might be stemming from.
Rusko187 Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 9 minutes ago, The Doctor said: 5th best away form over the last 8 away games, 3rd worst home form: https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england Wonder what the difference could be. Couldn't possibly be the toxic atmosphere at home that the players are free from away... Or could poor performances be behind the toxic home atmosphere? How long has the atmosphere been toxic? Can't be used as mitigation as this has only been happening for past few games.. Surely the fans do have a right to be frustrated? (Not condoning booing, personally don't do it)
Suzie the Fox Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 It doesn't make for good reading, even little miss positive me thinks that. We were always such a good team at home, i can't place my finger on what has gone so wrong. Hopefully the 1st half of the season is a blip and we turn it around in the latter part of the season. Something does need to change though, thats for sure.
AKCJ Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 We've scored the first goal twice at home all season. One was a penalty and the other was a freak own goal after Wolves had hit our post twice.
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 5 minutes ago, The Doctor said: 5th best away form over the last 8 away games, 3rd worst home form: https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england Wonder what the difference could be. Couldn't possibly be the toxic atmosphere at home that the players are free from away... Hahahahaaaaaaaaa or it's no coincidence that the way Puel sets his teams up, they struggle at home if the squad isn't balanced. He did it at Southampton and he's doing it here even worse. The toxic atmosphere has slowly built from this appalling run at home starting at the turn of the year going in to 2018. Can you really blame the fans, fans are emotional and irrational beings. Often that's why you get some of the most amazing atmospheres when things are good because of the varying emotions that football brings. I challenge any fan as a collective to remain positive and loud and proud when they've had to endure the persistent dross for the last year, it goes against human nature. It's been torturous at times, but we haven't yet entered the Stockholm Syndrome phase yet.
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Just now, AKCJ said: We've scored the first goal twice at home all season. One was a penalty and the other was a freak own goal after Wolves had hit our post twice. WOW
MonkeyTennis? Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Sorry to make it about Puel again, but ultimately while I do think he has lots of positive qualities, and I’m still broadly behind him, it is true that he’s (1) not great at public speaking, and (B) under him, home performances especially are frequently poor. Which, of course, if you are a fan, is pretty much all you see. Is it him? The players? The relationship between him and the players? The training regimen? The sometimes, let’s say ‘unsupportive,’ atmosphere at KP? Whatever it is, and its probably all of the above and more, some sort of change is needed.
Guest Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: We've scored the first goal twice at home all season. One was a penalty and the other was a freak own goal after Wolves had hit our post twice. That is absolutely grim
Babylon Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 If it doesn't improve before the end of the season he'll be gone, we all know it and he probably knows it as well.
EnderbyFox Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 There are definite parallels with his tenure at Southampton. I remember when we appointed him their fans said how poor they were at St Mary's. That being said I still don't see the point in sacking him until the summer.
The Doctor Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 6 minutes ago, Rusko187 said: Or could poor performances be behind the toxic home atmosphere? Either way it's self perpetuating. People forget that this is a team of kids - look at yesterdays line up: 32, 25, 25, 31, 22, 26, 22, 22, 22, 21, 32. Average age 25, half the starting line up eligible for the u23s team. The biggest change people want, Choudhury or Tielemans in for Mendy? Another 21 year old in midfield (instead of the 26 year old). Most of the side are still kids, and the shit they get the moment they take a slight misstep is going to kill their confidence and self-belief. I don't think it's any surprise that Barnes, the one who's managed to be away from our fans most of the season, looks the most confident. 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: Hahahahaaaaaaaaa or it's no coincidence that the way Puel sets his teams up, they struggle at home if the squad isn't balanced. He did it at Southampton and he's doing it here even worse. The toxic atmosphere has slowly built from this appalling run at home starting at the turn of the year going in to 2018. Can you really blame the fans, fans are emotional and irrational beings. Often that's why you get some of the most amazing atmospheres when things are good because of the varying emotions that football brings. I challenge any fan as a collective to remain positive and loud and proud when they've had to endure the persistent dross for the last year, it goes against human nature. It's been torturous at times, but we haven't yet entered the Stockholm Syndrome phase yet. Come on, our fans are ridiculously entitled now and have been since the summer of 2016. The bad atmospheres pre-date Puel by more than a year, as a fanbase we've not been able to get it up for anything aside from the Champions League games since winning the title.
Stevosevic Posted 4 February 2019 Author Posted 4 February 2019 20 minutes ago, The Doctor said: 5th best away form over the last 8 away games, 3rd worst home form: https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england Wonder what the difference could be. Couldn't possibly be the toxic atmosphere at home that the players are free from away... The toxic atmosphere started way after we became shit at home The atmosphere will resemble what's happening on the pitch. Every ground is like this.
The Doctor Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 1 minute ago, Stevosevic said: The toxic atmosphere started way after we became shit at home The atmosphere will resemble what's happening on the pitch. Every ground is like this. No it didn't. The atmosphere at home games has been woeful since Ranieris second season - the only saving grace in the 16/17 season was the CL games, and a brief improvement when Shakespeare took over, and that soon dropped again.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Not enjoying the home games recently (maybe goes back further than I thought). It's just the same old same old.
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Just now, The Doctor said: Either way it's self perpetuating. People forget that this is a team of kids - look at yesterdays line up: 32, 25, 25, 31, 22, 26, 22, 22, 22, 21, 32. Average age 25, half the starting line up eligible for the u23s team. The biggest change people want, Choudhury or Tielemans in for Mendy? Another 21 year old in midfield (instead of the 26 year old). Most of the side are still kids, and the shit they get the moment they take a slight misstep is going to kill their confidence and self-belief. I don't think it's any surprise that Barnes, the one who's managed to be away from our fans most of the season, looks the most confident. Come on, our fans are ridiculously entitled now and have been since the summer of 2016. The bad atmospheres pre-date Puel by more than a year, as a fanbase we've not been able to get it up for anything aside from the Champions League games since winning the title. It's got zip all to do with 2016 mate. The fact is our home form is relegation fodder and if we start to slip up away from home then we will be in serious trouble. This isn't just a small window of results being measured against either, it is a whole calendar year and it is seemingly getting worse. We have taken the lead at home twice all season, how can you defend that? I think we are negative as a fan base, it's always been the case when we aren't performing. I can remember very toxic times pre this era in the PL, so it's got piss all to do with what we experienced during the recent good times. But it probably should have something to do with it, if we can't win more than a quarter of our home games given the finances and resources we have available then we might as well pack it in. If you can tolerate that, then fair play to you. I will say it again, if our away form slips then we are relegation material. Our away form is seemingly quite good because we are still only even remotely dangerous on the counter attack. Puel has had 16 months to try and change this and has taken us further away from correcting it. To play a different way, you need the players to do so and yet he hasn't either brought the necessary ones in or he's decided not to use them. I don't get the game plan with him, I really don't.
Babylon Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 3 minutes ago, The Doctor said: No it didn't. The atmosphere at home games has been woeful since Ranieris second season - the only saving grace in the 16/17 season was the CL games, and a brief improvement when Shakespeare took over, and that soon dropped again. Whilst I agree it doesn't help, and our home form hasn't exactly been helped by god knows how many missed chances. He does tend to be too cautious and that really doesn't help him.
Rusko187 Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 2 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Either way it's self perpetuating. People forget that this is a team of kids - look at yesterdays line up: 32, 25, 25, 31, 22, 26, 22, 22, 22, 21, 32. Average age 25, half the starting line up eligible for the u23s team. The biggest change people want, Choudhury or Tielemans in for Mendy? Another 21 year old in midfield (instead of the 26 year old). Most of the side are still kids, and the shit they get the moment they take a slight misstep is going to kill their confidence and self-belief. I don't think it's any surprise that Barnes, the one who's managed to be away from our fans most of the season, looks the most confident. Whilst agreed that the side is full of kids the change people are asking for is to not play 2 defensive midfielders and instead look to bring in a more positive player (ala Tielemans), now we had Silva and Iborra here before Tielemans but he chose not to go with either of those players but put his trust in this system. The booing is simply a product of poor performances which unfortunately is brought about by team selections, thought it was harsh to boo yesterday but I guess people have had enough.
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 4 minutes ago, The Doctor said: No it didn't. The atmosphere at home games has been woeful since Ranieris second season - the only saving grace in the 16/17 season was the CL games, and a brief improvement when Shakespeare took over, and that soon dropped again. It will always be like this when what's being served up is dog shit. Find me a past regime where it was, pre or post 2016. The period from December to March/April under Pearson in 14/15 was as bad as I've ever experienced and we are a completely different club now.
Stevosevic Posted 4 February 2019 Author Posted 4 February 2019 10 minutes ago, The Doctor said: No it didn't. The atmosphere at home games has been woeful since Ranieris second season - the only saving grace in the 16/17 season was the CL games, and a brief improvement when Shakespeare took over, and that soon dropped again. It was average - not woeful. It wasn't any different to most grounds. Right now it's piss poor.
smr Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 I think that's partly the negativity amongst some supporters - our home and away record is the other way around than what it should be.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 If I were a City player right now, I'd not be looking forward to playing at home.
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