Training regime

[demon_dog]

According to reports Robert Huth has said that the training is not up to scratch.

Now not being an expert in these matters, my question is why do different managers employ different measures.

I'm not talking about the tactical play the different managers try, what I mean is regarding players fitness levels.

Under different managers you hear that players are possibly overtrained, undertrained so cannot maintain full effort during the course of a game.

We all know that both MON and Pearson's teams were very fit, yet under other managers players would struggle to do a full 90 minute+ shift.

Surely other than tactical game play the fitness training should be basically the same no matter who you play for. 

As I said I'm no expert, so what are your views.

 

Incidentally, which manager had steep hill built for the played to run over. I remember seeing reports of it in the Mercury.

Was it in Bradgate Park?

 

[mazarron fox]

Just now, demon_dog said:

According to reports Robert Huth has said that the training is not up to scratch.

Now not being an expert in these matters, my question is why do different managers employ different measures.

I'm not talking about the tactical play the different managers try, what I mean is regarding players fitness levels.

Under different managers you hear that players are possibly overtrained, undertrained so cannot maintain full effort during the course of a game.

We all know that both MON and Pearson's teams were very fit, yet under other managers players would struggle to do a full 90 minute+ shift.

Surely other than tactical game play the fitness training should be basically the same no matter who you play for. 

As I said I'm no expert, so what are your views.

 

Incidentally, which manager had steep hill built for the played to run over. I remember seeing reports of it in the Mercury.

Was it in Bradgate Park?

 

Was jock Wallace in bradgate park and when I was in charge of fitness training at our rugby club around the same time we copied his preseason regime and our team were very fit 

[Stadt]

Fitness training toes into tactical training though

[Alpha Gifts & Awards]

Jock Wallace had the boys run up and down hills ).

[Stoopid]

2 minutes ago, demon_dog said:

According to reports Robert Huth has said that the training is not up to scratch.

Now not being an expert in these matters, my question is why do different managers employ different measures.

I'm not talking about the tactical play the different managers try, what I mean is regarding players fitness levels.

Under different managers you hear that players are possibly overtrained, undertrained so cannot maintain full effort during the course of a game.

We all know that both MON and Pearson's teams were very fit, yet under other managers players would struggle to do a full 90 minute+ shift.

Surely other than tactical game play the fitness training should be basically the same no matter who you play for. 

As I said I'm no expert, so what are your views.

 

Incidentally, which manager had steep hill built for the played to run over. I remember seeing reports of it in the Mercury.

Was it in Bradgate Park?

 

That was Jock Wallace & I seem to remember it was at Wanlip.

As for training methods, I think the main beef with Claude was the dull inflexibility he imposed - pretty much a reflection of his personality to be fair.

Players spend the great majority of their time training rather than playing, so whoever comes in, let's hope it becomes something they enjoy & look forward to. If so, with the talent we have, I'm sure we will see some improvement in games.

[Ric Flair]

Puel was a fitness coach before he became a manager, it is the one area i'd expect him to be very good in. Don't forget we were very unique in our training methods under Pearson and Ranieri, i'm not so sure his training methods were systematically wrong, just the polar opposite of what we have done before.

[davieG]

As we seem to be at our best in the last 45 mins or so, CP apart I don't think fitness/training or motivation are the problem so many seem to think.

 

We're top of the comeback league, 14 times isn't it.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

As we seem to be at our best in the last 45 mins or so, CP apart I don't think fitness/training or motivation are the problem so many seem to think.

 

We're top of the comeback league, 14 times isn't it.

only because we keep conceding first. it could be argued we don't have enough in the locker to keep it going for 90 so we go light for the first half. 

 

look at the best teams - they play passing possession based football but they also press and play with intensity. it may well be that we have lost that ability with the change over in personnel and the length of time we haven't done it. maybe without the likes of drinky its something we cant co ordinate anyway. 

[AjcW]

54 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Puel was a fitness coach before he became a manager, it is the one area i'd expect him to be very good in. Don't forget we were very unique in our training methods under Pearson and Ranieri, i'm not so sure his training methods were systematically wrong, just the polar opposite of what we have done before.

You can see dramatic changes in players physique under him IMO... Also... I don't remember too many injuries. 

 

Problem is if that's all you've got it's never going to work  a coach like that should surround himself with variety to make training interesting. 

[Matt]

 

[Beechey]

25 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

That's really interesting. So possibly begs the question as to whether Puel was focusing enough on sharpness and fitness, which could possibly help explain the slow starts?

[chapero82]

5 minutes ago, Beechey said:

That's really interesting. So possibly begs the question as to whether Puel was focusing enough on sharpness and fitness, which could possibly help explain the slow starts?

Which I’ve been saying for ages  but got confused symbols

[Matt]

25 minutes ago, Beechey said:

That's really interesting. So possibly begs the question as to whether Puel was focusing enough on sharpness and fitness, which could possibly help explain the slow starts?

I don't think it's anything we've not been told already if i'm honest, we were told as much by various sources and I think it was clear to see.

 

Although some people refused to accept it.

 

The only difference in this outlet is that it's come from the horses mouth if you like.

[Beechey]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

I don't think it's anything we've not been told already if i'm honest, we were told as much by various sources and I think it was clear to see.

 

Although some people refused to accept it.

 

The only difference in this outlet is that it's come from the horses mouth if you like.

Yeah, maybe I'm too sceptical about those 'ITK' or reporters. Evidently so, anyway, considering Chilwell has just confirmed it!

[coolhandfox]

Rogers like his side to press high, I expect his training to be of high intensity to support this style of play.

 

On 25/02/2019 at 14:03, davieG said:

We're top of the comeback league, 14 times isn't it.

That not surprising as we have been behind more time than anyone else. 

[davieG]

38 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Rogers like his side to press high, I expect his training to be of high intensity to support this style of play.

 

That not surprising as we have been behind more time than anyone else. 

Well of course but we still came back we could have just given up being unfit or knackered from the training which was obviously not the case.

[AyewJoking]

I think theyre all putting £20 on the other team to score first

[Silva Fox]

I thought the criticism (allegedly) cited at Puel was that his training sessions were too intense, especially on the day before match days?

[tylesta]

6 hours ago, Beechey said:

That's really interesting. So possibly begs the question as to whether Puel was focusing enough on sharpness and fitness, which could possibly help explain the slow starts?

Puel had not intensity!!!

[nettle]

11 minutes ago, Silva Fox said:

I thought the criticism (allegedly) cited at Puel was that his training sessions were too intense, especially on the day before match days?

I think they were too long and not intense enough especially on the Friday before a game.

[mad biker]

The group have been over coached and under managed, we first and foremost needed a "Manager" these are good players and do not need to be put through intensive coaching day after day after day.

[Leeds Fox]

5 hours ago, davieG said:

Well of course but we still came back we could have just given up being unfit or knackered from the training which was obviously not the case.

 

1-0 or 0-0, we still needed to try and score. Conceding a goal early and having to comeback isn’t proof of a squads fitness. 

[davieG]

5 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

 

1-0 or 0-0, we still needed to try and score. Conceding a goal early and having to comeback isn’t proof of a squads fitness. 

I think to keep on trying to score right upto full time indicates a sufficient level of fitness.

 

This all seems to be missing the point it was our inability to defend giving away the simplest of goals, bad discipline and the inability to find a blue shirt with a pass on a consistent basis. Plus our awful finishing because even when we created plenty of chances we were simply incapable of putting them in the back of the net.

 

Fitness was the least of our problems.

 

[shade]

39 minutes ago, davieG said:

I think to keep on trying to score right upto full time indicates a sufficient level of fitness.

 

This all seems to be missing the point it was our inability to defend giving away the simplest of goals, bad discipline and the inability to find a blue shirt with a pass on a consistent basis. Plus our awful finishing because even when we created plenty of chances we were simply incapable of putting them in the back of the net.

 

Fitness was the least of our problems.

 

rarely saw genuinely good chances

[davieG]

17 minutes ago, shade said:

rarely saw genuinely good chances

Vardy missed at least 3 he would have scored in our league winning season.