PhillippaT Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: It is very simple, isn’t it. Which leaves two conclusions as to why Rodgers persisted to ignore better players within his squad. He is a parasite. Absolutely hindered this club and was hell bent in destroying everything built before him because of the change of approach at the start of the season. He went to “war” despite saying he won’t just to get the sack. or He was stupid and no where need intelligent enough to manage situations. All good when running routines on a training pitch (hardly genuine coaching) but management, development - not this fools game. I think it’s a bit of both to be honest. Our club is blessed to have got rid. Q: Malice or incompetence? A: Yes. 1
ScrumpyJack Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 #ManLikeSoyuncu Firmly believe Rodgers is a piss poor man-manager, didn’t support Soyuncu in his downturn in form post-Euro 2020, Ward post-World Cup. We have so many talented players that didn’t grow under him with the exception of Maddison, but you can attribute his growth to his own drive. 2
Popular Post Dames Posted 24 April 2023 Popular Post Posted 24 April 2023 The way Soyuncu played on Saturday just goes to show how good it is for managers to support their players rather than throw them under a bus. The fact he is leaving on a free when he was a potential 40-50 million asset a few years ago is disgustingly bad management at all levels. 10
sacreblueits442 Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 2 minutes ago, Dames said: The way Soyuncu played on Saturday just goes to show how good it is for managers to support their players rather than throw them under a bus. The fact he is leaving on a free when he was a potential 40-50 million asset a few years ago is disgustingly bad management at all levels. ...you would assume that Rodgers would have been the cause of his downturn in form!!! 2
Dames Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...you would assume that Rodgers would have been the cause of his downturn in form!!! I wouldn't say Rodgers was the cause of the downturn in form but he handled the situation horribly and left Soyuncu out to dry to deflect from his own short comings. Just the sign of a manager that valued self preservation above anything else. 4
Guest Mee-9 Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 Makes me laugh how Dean Smith comes in with John Terry, (one of the best defenders ever in the Prem) and they throw Soyuncu back in the squad. Hilarious. I don’t want to see Amartey near the first team 11 all season.
VLC86 Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 It’s easy to blame Rodgers for this and he clearly isn’t blameless but it’s also worth noting that many of us had previously said how error prone Cags was. I think this has played into the fact that he wasn’t offered the contract he wanted, he has then probably been pissed off seeing the club dish out mental deals to the living dead and had his head turned. Its good to see a new manager come in and say for 8 weeks let’s forget everything and try to keep us up but let’s not treat Cags like peak Maldini just because we have had to watch utter dross for the last year. 2
sacreblueits442 Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 9 minutes ago, Dames said: I wouldn't say Rodgers was the cause of the downturn in form but he handled the situation horribly and left Soyuncu out to dry to deflect from his own short comings. Just the sign of a manager that valued self preservation above anything else. ...he is pretty much the cause of the malaise that surrounded this club!!! Conversely, Maddison appears to be struggling with his (Rodgers) departure 1
moseeds Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 You know what's going to happen. Goes to Atletico, ends up winning a cup, named in La Liga team of the year, makes it to the Ballon d'Or long-list... FFS.
Chelmofox Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 16 minutes ago, moseeds said: You know what's going to happen. Goes to Atletico, ends up winning a cup, named in La Liga team of the year, makes it to the Ballon d'Or long-list... FFS. Then sold to Chelsea for £110 million 1
Simoken Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 I think after watching the game Saturday, i have had a change of opinion about Rodgers. He ****ed up on Soyuncu p.s i got suspended on here for absolutely nothing. 1
fuchsntf Posted 24 April 2023 Author Posted 24 April 2023 3 hours ago, Costock_Fox said: It’s easy to blame Rodgers for this and he clearly isn’t blameless but it’s also worth noting that many of us had previously said how error prone Cags was. I think this has played into the fact that he wasn’t offered the contract he wanted, he has then probably been pissed off seeing the club dish out mental deals to the living dead and had his head turned. Its good to see a new manager come in and say for 8 weeks let’s forget everything and try to keep us up but let’s not treat Cags like peak Maldini just because we have had to watch utter dross for the last year. I actually thought it was a load of crap,bullshit and forum meltdown,on Soyu‘s playing capabilities… Rodgers had a problem with Cags,right or wrong,but not bringing him back into the fold was borderline unprofessional,and not seeing it was sheer bad management.
The Doctor Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 3 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...you would assume that Rodgers would have been the cause of his downturn in form!!! sustained downturn maybe, he had a rough time of it after the collapse at the end of the season and then Turkeys euros campaign, these things happen, players who are consistent and never have a bad spell don't play for Leicester, they end up at Real Madrid or Man City, that initial slump in his form was not Rodgers fault, the continued mistreatment of him and shattering his confidence was. like his appearances last season weren't his imperious best, Saturday was, and that's the difference between playing for a manager who uses you as a whipping boy Vs a manager who makes you feel like a million quid 1
Kinowe Soorie Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 11 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: I actually thought it was a load of crap,bullshit and forum meltdown,on Soyu‘s playing capabilities… Rodgers had a problem with Cags,right or wrong,but not bringing him back into the fold was borderline unprofessional,and not seeing it was sheer bad management. You loved Rodgers, said everyone else was wrong about him. 1
Le Renard Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 I have been critical of Söyüncü for downing tools, and now we see a different kind of player that I and others that were led to believe existed at the club. Perhaps it was Rodgers's mismanagement, his ego or it was because Söyüncü couldn't stand the sight of him and they just didn't like each other. This happens in any workplace, but you should always put the task ahead before your own pride. Maybe Rodgers is watching Söyüncü's performances and thinks "You f***ing bar steward, you wouldn't do that for me". I just think we'll never know why their working relationship broke down, but I do think those above should have maybe questioned, why so many other players were frozen out or were unwanted. I don't think the club can afford to back a manager to this extent again. 1
BKLFox Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 I see FT getting carried away as per, he had a great game but that’s his 1st in a 2 for sometime, what happens if tomorrow the strikers that split second quicker than him and leaves him on the deck at the halfway line and a clear run on goal or that aggressive header from the corner is seen as taking the man out conceding a penalty. Cant we just say he had a great game long may it continue without putting him on a pedestal only to knock him off again because we all know FT will as soon as a foot is misplaced. 2
Dames Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 38 minutes ago, Simoken said: I think after watching the game Saturday, i have had a change of opinion about Rodgers. He ****ed up on Soyuncu p.s i got suspended on here for absolutely nothing. You're finally seeing the light.
fuchsntf Posted 24 April 2023 Author Posted 24 April 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Simoken said: I think after watching the game Saturday, i have had a change of opinion about Rodgers. He ****ed up on Soyuncu p.s i got suspended on here for absolutely nothing. I don’t know if I have ever been suspended, but such a nice but misunderstood @Simoken could never be up for suspension.I reckon some admins get their buttons mixed up..(in more ways than one)… Though getting the call on Soyu…deserved an hand slap,but then so did a large % of the forum. Edited 24 April 2023 by fuchsntf 1
sm1 Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 Cags has always been a good defender, you dont get voted into the best team in the PL and Bundesliga, unless you are. Yes he had a ropey period, but all our players have at various times. Even Maddison, a couple of season ago, went through a period where he looked terrible. Rodgers kept faith and we all see the benefits now. With Cags his treatment was the opposite, that's why I see it as a personal vendetta by Rodgers. He knew Cags was one of the best CBs at the club, that's why he put him straight into the team after Maguire left, but never brought him back even after our season went from bad to worse. He'd rather play Amartey or spend millions on Faes and Soutter, then give Cags a 2nd chance. There was no reason for that petty behaviour. 1
Simoken Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 19 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: I don’t know if I have ever been suspended, but such a nice but misunderstood @Simoken could never be up for suspension.I reckon some admins get their buttons mixed up..(in more ways than one)… Though getting the call on Soyu…deserved an hand slap,but then so did a large % of the forum. lol. i got suspended twice post Rodgers sacking... surely i was much worse when he was still manager... suspect decision making..... 1
VLC86 Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 1 hour ago, fuchsntf said: I actually thought it was a load of crap,bullshit and forum meltdown,on Soyu‘s playing capabilities… Rodgers had a problem with Cags,right or wrong,but not bringing him back into the fold was borderline unprofessional,and not seeing it was sheer bad management. Soyuncu losing his head and being completely erratic was not a forum meltdown.
fuchsntf Posted 24 April 2023 Author Posted 24 April 2023 48 minutes ago, Kinowe Soorie said: You loved Rodgers, said everyone else was wrong about him. Wrong, I defended him to a point yes,especially last season,but since end I wanted him gone,because of atrocious Team performances & more so after W.cup again HOW we were presenting our self..I didn’t agree with the wayward character assignation. He has family and some fans should be more responsible..Snide or cynical remarks on Any managers persona is & are just wrong… I kept my critic relevant to onfield / Squad perspectives & relevance. I said a long time ago,Rodgers was cutting off his nose to spite his face,on the call Soyuncu,plus I thought any Cags mistakes were OTT analysed and critic misplaced. Amartey /Ndidi had quite a few decent games,but was strewn with individual errors,that costs us points, irrelevant to the dire performance & set up of team. I mentioned Rodgers had a turning point he didn’t use…The W.cup return.!! Iversen ,who I still rate as PL top material, ditto for Soyuncu,should have been brought in… Not hindsight,but why Rodgers lost more trust, while these 2 selections were not forthcoming..I am sure we would have 6-8pts more if they had been included earlier. Faes,Sottar ,Kristansen we’re good signings along the season…but it was others really basic errors that cost us goals.The defence played well when one seen how none exsistance and error strewn our midfield were..Defence then is open for unwanted mistakes. At present we now IMO again have 3 good PL CBs ,in our squad.I hope fans nor Smith don’t forget Souttar,just because Soyu has been given the nod.. Evans is now become ..an automatic choice, doesn’t need to be risked selection. There still might be games where 3 CBs at the back could be the right set up.
fuchsntf Posted 24 April 2023 Author Posted 24 April 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said: Soyuncu losing his head and being completely erratic was not a forum meltdown. Perspectives…perspectives.. I saw I.King,Cross,Sjoberg…and others oppo CBs lose it… It happens, Fergie,Paisley,Shankley,Pep, Klopp would know when you ride it, & ignore pamper-pissing erratics from fans. Edited 24 April 2023 by fuchsntf
VLC86 Posted 24 April 2023 Posted 24 April 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: Perspectives…perspectives.. I saw I.King,Cross,Sjoberg…and others oppo CBs lose it… It happens, Fergie,Paisley,Shankley,Pep, Klopp would know when you ride it, & ignore pamper-pissing erratics from fans. Lol perspective, let Bale waltz through your defence in a season defining game. Fans should encourage it. The club should have given him a 4 year 100k a week contract. Edited 24 April 2023 by Costock_Fox
fuchsntf Posted 24 April 2023 Author Posted 24 April 2023 23 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said: Lol perspective, let Bale waltz through your defence in a season defining game. Fans should encourage it. The club should have given him a 4 year 100k a week contract. Bigger picture, taking some instances,don’t make a bad player.. Quite a few on here including myself,we’re for bench time,but then taking him out of the total picture was madness… I believe we have been proven right ,on his return… And ffs don’t wait in the wings waiting for other mistakes…because they will happen,because that is the game… 1
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