Popular Post StanSP Posted 19 May 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 19 May 2023 5 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: No one should expect to just be a starter, needs to be earned and the team rotated. But I suppose what Cags was looking for was assurance that he wouldn't just be hung out to dry. This is exactly what Rodgers did, and would play Amartey and Ndidi ahead of him. The whole thing still feels really weird He had earned it. Way more than other players. Yes Soyuncu made mistakes, but so have others and kept their places. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 19 May 2023 Share Posted 19 May 2023 51 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Which is probably the right call given he was behind fofana and evans. An injured player, who left and a sicknote and he still couldn't get a kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiturk Posted 19 May 2023 Share Posted 19 May 2023 In 2021, we've had a 3 major CB Evans, Fofana and Cags. - Evans is a experienced but old and injury proned player. He couldn't be part of club's future plans - Fofana is an excellent player but he had always wanted to used LCFC was his stepping stone. We all saw that during the Chelsea saga and the club was subject to his awful behaviours. He was throwing tantrums left and right. - And Cags, voted one of the EPL defensive player of the year in previous season, young and committed to LCFC turning down offers from other clubs. Of course he was seeking assurances which was given automatically to other so called privileged players every week regardless how shit they played or how inconsistent they were. Now, - Evans's contribution was/is next to zero this year. - Fofana barely can be starter in Chelsea - Brendan Suckers loitering around jobless - Fans demanding the resignation of the LCFC board. - Oh well, we are all know what is our club's current situation And Cags off to one of the elite teams to play CL football next year. Facts are lound and clear folks, let's wish him a good luck and also thank him for his service. - 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue army 1988 Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 Is he going to be a starter at Madrid though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom12345 Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 On 26/04/2023 at 18:19, sacreblueits442 said: .. Sadler is Brendan light!!! Perhaps best if he stuck to analytics, as opposed to coaching!!! Sounds like better we rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom12345 Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 1 hour ago, blue army 1988 said: Is he going to be a starter at Madrid though? I think his game suits Spain even more. He will dominate there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 The failure was not getting rid of him once he decided he wasn't going to sign a contract. People have forgotten but Soyuncu was terrible for a period so it isn't a surprise we couldn't guarantee him being a starter. Still should've used him this season though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiturk Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 (edited) Statement like terrible for a period is an absolute rubbish. Name me a consecutive 4 games he played bad??? But I can name you a bunch of players(a bloody long list) who haven't even played a 4 good games in total whole season this year and still automatically picked for first XI for every God damn games. Go get your justification from somewhere. Edited 20 May 2023 by kiwiturk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyC74 Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said: The failure was not getting rid of him once he decided he wasn't going to sign a contract. People have forgotten but Soyuncu was terrible for a period so it isn't a surprise we couldn't guarantee him being a starter. Still should've used him this season though. You are correct that as a general principle we shouldn’t mess about, if a player refuses to sign 2 yrs before their deal expires we should sell and reinvest. If tho it is true Cags wanted to extend, BR didn’t fancy him then the Board should have touted him to interested clubs and sold him. Not allowed a fcuking stupid stand-off where the asset value diminishes and a sound player rots in the reserves whilst our defence resembled a sieve. it was BR job to coach, to get in the player’s head and lift his performance and that he couldn’t says as much about him as Cags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_forever Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 (edited) Goes to the root of the problem - either BR needed to go or the players needed refreshing as he'd fallen out with too many players/couldn't motivate them as much anymore. Instead the club did neither until it looks like too late. Edited 20 May 2023 by lcfc_forever 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamble92 Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 10 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said: Goes to the root of the problem - either BR needed to go or the players needed refreshing as he'd fallen out with too many players/couldn't motivate them as much anymore. Instead the club did neither until it looks like too late. He should have kept his mouth shut about any refresh and his opinions on players in public. There's never going to be any guarantees you'll get rid of everyone you want to get rid of. But this is why we were all so angry with him. Any manager who still cared about us as a club, like Dean Smith or whoever, would have made he did everything to get the best out of what he had. Which is more than enough. Yet, it become all about PR to preserve Brendan and keep him linked with whatever job comes next. As I type this he's being touted for the Spurs job on Talksport. It's laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 (edited) How did we get to the stage where we just let key assets leave? Walking to Madrid on a free, it's tough to take to be honest. Can see the posts above about Rudkin/Rodgers whoever to blame it's yet another screw up by the football club isn't it really? Same with Tielemans. Edited 20 May 2023 by Tuna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 11 hours ago, blue army 1988 said: Is he going to be a starter at Madrid though? Could probably take being a back up there as opposed to being behind Daniel Amartey in the pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 39 minutes ago, Gamble92 said: He should have kept his mouth shut about any refresh It's interesting because we did/do need one, he just went about it the wrong way. And he let his own agendas and opinions on players cloud his judgement, because it was always about him and not the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 4 hours ago, kiwiturk said: Statement like terrible for a period is an absolute rubbish. Name me a consecutive 4 games he played bad??? But I can name you a bunch of players(a bloody long list) who haven't even played a 4 good games in total whole season this year and still automatically picked for first XI for every God damn games. Go get your justification from somewhere. I think his form started to dip when we blew the Champions League the 2nd time and he took that bad form into the Euros where he was poor. He didn’t find his top form again for us after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_forever Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 12 minutes ago, Viva said: I think his form started to dip when we blew the Champions League the 2nd time and he took that bad form into the Euros where he was poor. He didn’t find his top form again for us after that. There is a mental weakness with him, like so many of our players. His form was dipping the season before, especially during lockdown but he did very well the following season, but lost his form again at a crucial time again vs Newcastle. Don't think a manager is better placed than Simeone to get his head right as he's clearly a good player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 38 minutes ago, StanSP said: It's interesting because we did/do need one, he just went about it the wrong way. And he let his own agendas and opinions on players cloud his judgement, because it was always about him and not the club. Blurting it out in that post match interview is the pivotal moment in this whole saga. There seems to be some sort of acceptance that Rodgers had a transfer kitty agreed, but there is scant evidence he did. But from thereon started the process of Rodgers alienating the players he wanted gone, and the board plunging into some bizarre fear frenzy where they couldn't back the manager, not could they get rid of him. No one was in control, and Brendan was able to stay where he was because of his relationship with Top. When it was clear nothing was happening in the summer, and Brendan started mouthing off at the club, the club should have acted. Even if it was because they simply needed to go in a different direction to Brendans wishes. Doing nothing and praying everything was going to be alright got us in this mess. A change of direction early could have cemented us as safe (albeit still in a sh1te season). Hope everyone has learnt their lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 2 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: Blurting it out in that post match interview is the pivotal moment in this whole saga. There seems to be some sort of acceptance that Rodgers had a transfer kitty agreed, but there is scant evidence he did. But from thereon started the process of Rodgers alienating the players he wanted gone, and the board plunging into some bizarre fear frenzy where they couldn't back the manager, not could they get rid of him. No one was in control, and Brendan was able to stay where he was because of his relationship with Top. When it was clear nothing was happening in the summer, and Brendan started mouthing off at the club, the club should have acted. Even if it was because they simply needed to go in a different direction to Brendans wishes. Doing nothing and praying everything was going to be alright got us in this mess. A change of direction early could have cemented us as safe (albeit still in a sh1te season). Hope everyone has learnt their lesson. Trouble is a manager gets a few wins on the trot and people ignore the trend and criticism disappears and the fan boys reappear from under their rocks and everybody says how wonderful things are. I have witnessed that a number of times on here. Short termism is the blindfold for many who get carried away in the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamble92 Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 56 minutes ago, StanSP said: It's interesting because we did/do need one, he just went about it the wrong way. And he let his own agendas and opinions on players cloud his judgement, because it was always about him and not the club. It's about professionalism though. We still had months of that season to go if nothing else. Regardless of not knowing the situation, it's also unlikely to shift everyone he's talking about too. It's basic management really. All this now about the club supposedly wanting to renew his contract at the same time the manager had no intention of playing him just about sums everything up really. Stories were Rodgers wanted him out and yet now his agent says we offered him a deal? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 20 May 2023 Share Posted 20 May 2023 22 hours ago, moore_94 said: “In fact, they wanted to finalise the signing of him in January, but they could not reach an agreement with Leicester. I have no doubt that Çağlar will be essential for Atlético. With Simeone, he will have much more success because his style is exactly suited to Atlético. He can use both feet and with the ball he can play flawlessly.” ...what were we asking for that we turned down an offer of money for him!!! I suspect that it would have been money and not a trade, but he was not in the first eleven, he was warming the bench, and Rodgers did not see fit to play him, what on earth were we asking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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