Brexit!

[Beechey]

Surely doesn't think he'd win?

[Lineker's Left Foot]

The problem is Mr Cameron promised us this referendum ‘thinking’ that we the general public would vote to Remain in Europe; was this with the promise that he’ll gain another term as PM?

 

The promise was “it was the will of  the people, NOT the politicians” and so we went to the ballot with Leave or Remain.  There was nothing about a deal to Leave being part of the plan - by reverting to WTO rules. Hence Leave won and Mr Cameron lost.

 

Now over three years later NOTHING has really been done because the Politicians DO NOT want to leave at any cost.  More of the general public voted to Leave than Remain, same with Constituencies. but less Politicians wished to.  That is why the new Bill has been passed blocking No Deal.

 

This has been a travesty to Democracy- nothing else.  The fear within the EU is that if we left, we’d be setting a dangerous precedent 

[Spiritwalker]

Jeremy Corbyn probably the most unelectable Labour leader since Michael Foot must

be looking on in disbelief as the Tory party disintegrates before his eyes.

[The Horse's Mouth]

It's actually mad to think Corbyn's on his 3rd PM at this point, he's been the leader of the opposition for 4 years. 

 

[st albans fox]

52 minutes ago, Beechey said:

"... before 2016" includes almost all of human history, mate.

If you mean between 2014 and 2016, then you are right, otherwise, you're not.

 

If anyone thinks Brexit hasn't had an adverse affect on Sterling, they're wrong. However, Sterling has been rocky since 2008.

 

Looking at the twi since 2005 shows the drop around the crash and subsequent deficit issue .....the recovery back towards 90/95% was well on track until 2016 .......

 

whether the decision to leave is a good or bad thing, the drop in the currency because of it is undoubted. I can only compare the period of a year or two immediately before the drop as it’s relevant. What had gone before that is related to other matters. 

 

Sterling now has so many uncertain variables affecting it, both economic and political, that predicting its movement is impossible. 

Edited 7 September 2019 by st albans fox

[SheppyFox]

The Bank of England have now said negative impacts of no deal have been reduced by us actually trying to prepare. Imagine the possibilities of actually approaching the situation with optimism and determination. 

[Paninistickers]

Rudd gone now.

 

Absurd really that she and Jo johnson agreed to join this crackpot cabinet in the first place

[The Horse's Mouth]

Imagine someone as morally bankrupt and disgusting like Amber Rudd leaving your cabinet  

[Tuna]

5 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Rudd gone now.

 

Absurd really that she and Jo johnson agreed to join this crackpot cabinet in the first place

Headline writers dream.

Tories rudderless etc.

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

The Bank of England have now said negative impacts of no deal have been reduced by us actually trying to prepare. Imagine the possibilities of actually approaching the situation with optimism and determination. 

Well of course some preparation as opposed to almost none as had been the case is bound to help - but a prediction of a drop in gdp of 5.5% instead of 8% is hardly something to celebrate. 

 

A resolution in the next six months would be an interesting watch against a backdrop of global downturn (even possible recession) - 

[SheppyFox]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Well of course some preparation as opposed to almost none as had been the case is bound to help - but a prediction of a drop in gdp of 5.5% instead of 8% is hardly something to celebrate. 

 

A resolution in the next six months would be an interesting watch against a backdrop of global downturn (even possible recession) - 

It isn’t a thing for celebration, quite right. That drop has been achieved by a few weeks preparation is my point.

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

It isn’t a thing for celebration, quite right. That drop has been achieved by a few weeks preparation is my point.

A little more than a few weeks but yes, some actual preparation 

 

I didn’t read the report in any detail - is it straight comparative or could it be affected to an extent in relative terms by the current global drop in gdp (that isn’t well worded )

[BlueSi13]

7 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

You actually believe that, yet you have the nerve to call me naive?  Come on now, pal, Russian troll farms and their involvement in disseminating pro-Brexit propaganda is an irrefutable fact.  Choosing to cover your ears won't change that.  Clearly it's had its desired effect too seeing how you consider the EU member states to be adversarial forces as far as we're concerned (I can't think of any other reason why you'd be so amused at me referring to them as allies), if that's the case then outside of the troubled USA who exactly are our 'friends' on the international stage in your opinion?

Oh I don't consider states like Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands etc to be our adversaries.  They will continue to be strong allies post-Brexit, I was referring to the likes of Tusk, Barnier, Verhofstadt and Juncker who have made it explicitly clear that they would like to make an example of the UK to discourage others from leaving their project.  

 

Colluding with them at the expensive our own government is worthy of the strongest possible contempt.  

[BlueSi13]

 

2 hours ago, Beechey said:

 

Ahh the Philip Hammond school of trying to destabilise the government by drip feeding resignations to keep the bad news coming.

 

Unfortunately the updated polls are out and it isn't looking good....for the rebels.

 

Con: 35% (-) = Conservative Majority 162

Lab: 21% (-4)

LDEM: 19% (+3)

BREX: 12% (+1)

via@YouGov, 05-06 Sep

 

Con: 35% (+3) = Conservative Majority 108

Lab: 25% (-1)

LDEM: 17% (+2)

BREX: 13% (-3)

via@OpiniumResearch, 04-06 Sep

 

So for all the remainer media talk of how much of a humiliation this week has been for Boris, his lead in the polls has now widened.  He isn't going anywhere.

 

https://twitter.com/britainelects

[BlueSi13]

This one is especially bad for Labour and the Liberal Democrats...

 

"If Parliament is unable to decide on Brexit it would be better to have a snap General Election"

 

Agree: 50%

Disagree: 18%

viaComRes, 04-06 Sep

 

How long can the Labour and Liberal Democrat cowardice hold?

[SheppyFox]

36 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

A little more than a few weeks but yes, some actual preparation 

 

I didn’t read the report in any detail - is it straight comparative or could it be affected to an extent in relative terms by the current global drop in gdp (that isn’t well worded )

Hard to say, as is often the issue with brexit, The variables are too great to warrant a straight answer

[ithuriel]

1 hour ago, Lineker's Left Foot said:

The problem is Mr Cameron promised us this referendum ‘thinking’ that we the general public would vote to Remain in Europe; was this with the promise that he’ll gain another term as PM?

 

The promise was “it was the will of  the people, NOT the politicians” and so we went to the ballot with Leave or Remain.  There was nothing about a deal to Leave being part of the plan - by reverting to WTO rules. Hence Leave won and Mr Cameron lost.

 

Now over three years later NOTHING has really been done because the Politicians DO NOT want to leave at any cost.  More of the general public voted to Leave than Remain, same with Constituencies. but less Politicians wished to.  That is why the new Bill has been passed blocking No Deal.

 

This has been a travesty to Democracy- nothing else.  The fear within the EU is that if we left, we’d be setting a dangerous precedent 

It has not just shown up this so called democracy but it has also shown what an absolute shitshow our parliament is these days, every single one of them that sits in there should feel ashamed but none of them ever will.

[HappyHamza]

6 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said:

This one is especially bad for Labour and the Liberal Democrats...

 

"If Parliament is unable to decide on Brexit it would be better to have a snap General Election"

 

Agree: 50%

Disagree: 18%

viaComRes, 04-06 Sep

 

How long can the Labour and Liberal Democrat cowardice hold?

It all gets a bit strange when people start copying their favourite newspapers and make claims that don't stand up to even the slightest glance in the real world. 

 

It's not even hidden that the multiple parties that have come together to stop no deal have agreed that no election will happen until an extension is guaranteed.

 

That means at the earliest it could be supported a few days after the EU summit in mid October when boris will be forced to bow and scrape and accept whatever extension the EU offers. 

 

It's quite obvious they need to do that to achieve their aims and they're saying it publicly. 

 

So quite why somebody would accuse them of cowardice is beyond me. They've dominated a PM who is threatening parliamentary democracy and utterly neutered him.

[BlueSi13]

1 minute ago, HappyHamza said:

It all gets a bit strange when people start copying their favourite newspapers and make claims that don't stand up to even the slightest glance in the real world. 

 

It's not even hidden that the multiple parties that have come together to stop no deal have agreed that no election will happen until an extension is guaranteed.

 

That means at the earliest it could be supported a few days after the EU summit in mid October when boris will be forced to bow and scrape and accept whatever extension the EU offers. 

 

It's quite obvious they need to do that to achieve their aims and they're saying it publicly. 

 

So quite why somebody would accuse them of cowardice is beyond me. They've dominated a PM who is threatening parliamentary democracy and utterly neutered him.

No deal hasn't been stopped, it's been kicked down the road.  Again.  How many times does this have to be repeated.

 

For sure they've dominated the parliamentary sessions where they have had an overwhelming majority, but as we see in the latest polling it's had the opposite effect of what they were hoping.   They are running and running hard.  There is no chance they are ever agreeing to an election now.  Parliament is safe harbour for them away from the public at the moment.

 

Let's see what happens on Monday.  My understanding is that Boris still has absolutely no intention of asking for an extension.  This still has time to run yet.

[Legend_in_blue]

We were being told that the Tories were completely finished if the Oct 31st deadline was missed a couple of months ago.  Now, a ten point lead in the polls?  Take it with a pinch of salt.  Forecasting under current circumstances is unprecedented and therefore unrealistic imo.

 

They'll be wiped out in Scotland for starters so where's this 108 majority coming from exactly?

 

 

Edited 7 September 2019 by Legend_in_blue

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, HappyHamza said:

It all gets a bit strange when people start copying their favourite newspapers and make claims that don't stand up to even the slightest glance in the real world. 

 

It's not even hidden that the multiple parties that have come together to stop no deal have agreed that no election will happen until an extension is guaranteed.

 

That means at the earliest it could be supported a few days after the EU summit in mid October when boris will be forced to bow and scrape and accept whatever extension the EU offers. 

 

It's quite obvious they need to do that to achieve their aims and they're saying it publicly. 

 

So quite why somebody would accuse them of cowardice is beyond me. They've dominated a PM who is threatening parliamentary democracy and utterly neutered him.

Its cowardice because they're basically acting like they've already lost the snap election and are putting all their effort in to stopping no deal despite having an opportunity of a general election before the fact

[WigstonWanderer]

10 hours ago, srex9 said:

Works both ways though. My friends business has boomed since the pound dropped as his products are now cheaper to buy. 

I was just replying to a post that implied that the euro was doing better than a “project fear weakened pound”. Patent nonsense.

 

A weak pound is highly beneficial for some businesses, particularly those exporting, but may cause prices to rise for consumers due to higher priced imports.

Edited 8 September 2019 by WigstonWanderer

[Strokes]

17 hours ago, Facecloth said:

But you're blaming the wrong organisation. You're blaming the EU for the UK's failings. You obviously didn't care enough as you sat there watching it happen, blaming the wrong people and never asking the question of the people who could answer it. People talk about sovereignty and then when we don't implement our sovereign right, they blame someone else. You vote in GEs, these people work for us, as you keep telling is when you complain they haven't implement brexit yet, but it never crossed your mind to ask they why they weren't doing somethine about what you felt strongly was one of the countries biggest problems, and something the Tories had promised to get under control in numerous manifestos.

Of course we questioned it, we even pressured it. That’s why we were given the referendum. They didn’t alter it when Cameron went to renegotiate our relationship and therefore it was our first and only opportunity to ever have our say.

[Facecloth]

6 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Of course we questioned it, we even pressured it. That’s why we were given the referendum. They didn’t alter it when Cameron went to renegotiate our relationship and therefore it was our first and only opportunity to ever have our say.

Except we were told that legislation would be implemented if we voted to stay in. So you got what you wanted and it still wasn't enough.

[Strokes]

12 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Except we were told that legislation would be implemented if we voted to stay in. So you got what you wanted and it still wasn't enough.

The legislation only solves a small part of the problem on FOM, not the whole thing in its entirety. It doesn’t solve the suppression of wages, it just attempts to stop welfare migrants.