Kitchandro Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 Man Utd are delusional if they think they're going to get Maddison. Firstly, they aren't finishing in the top 4, not a chance. We'll be in the Champions League next season and they won't. So for the next 2 windows it isn't an attractive proposition for him. Secondly, if they were willing to pay what we'd ask they know they'd be getting shafted like they did with Maguire. They'd have to think twice about it. The fact we're hearing rumours about a swap deal with Lingard says it all. They are not to be taken seriously. They've become a desperate Mickey Mouse operation and I'm not convinced they can afford to spend the money. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 3 hours ago, Sly said: It’s the media circus that is pushing this. Manchester United have one of the largest fan bases in the world. The media create hype and fans flock to click bats articles to read the guff unfortunately. If you speak to any semi knowledgable fan, they know that we won’t sell in January. If we sell in the summer, it would hinge on us getting someone like Grealish as a replacement I’d guess. Sincerely hope we wouldn't go down that route. Overrated and even more of a fairy than Maddison. Most of his game is falling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 25 minutes ago, holyfox said: Grealish would be the perfect replacement if/when Maddison leaves. why dont Man United just buy Grelish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: FAKE SHIRT ALERT Why don’t United just go for Grealish? Edit: Just noticed post above Edited 7 January 2020 by WigstonWanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyFox Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 13 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: why dont Man United just buy Grelish Maddison is more of a playmaker to ping the ball from 30-40 yards out to set up Martial/Rashford. If Maddison’s agent is pushing for a release clause set it at £120m, although I’d prefer not to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 1 minute ago, RoyFox said: Maddison is more of a playmaker to ping the ball from 30-40 yards out to set up Martial/Rashford. If Maddison’s agent is pushing for a release clause set it at £120m, although I’d prefer not to have one. Agree. Why not discuss along these terms Wage is 150k (30k more than Vardy) with no release clause If you want a release clause, it starts at 120m, if you wish to reduce it by 10m, then drop your wage by 10k So end up with 120k and 90m release clause Actually. he is contracted to 2023 with no release clause. He can just suck it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joefox Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Sunbury Fox said: I think Man U are living in the past where they could buy whichever player they wanted at any time - that was the cornerstone of their success under Ferguson. They still see us as insignificant club whose players will be desperate to play for them. What they've failed to appreciate is that, unlike back in the Ferguson days, we, along with other mid sized PL clubs, have lots of money too now so we can't be pushed about. Plus of course our current first team is streets better than theirs. Yet still you get Solskjaer coming out with arrogant claptrap along the lines of every other manager being jealous because he manages Man U. I just don’t see how they’ve come to that evaluation. We’ve literally just not long sold them an inferior player for 80 million. And they think they are going to get Maddison for less? They have set the standards themselves in terms of valuing players. It’s just a really strange offer. Man U have always bought big. But at least they used to actually find players for reasonable prices who went on to be top class. Their current policy is not really sustainable no matter how rich they are. Waiting for other teams to take a chance on someone and then paying through the nose for them. Literally every team they do business with now is going to ask for extortionate prices. But players will always want to go and play for them because like someone else mentioned they think they will be the difference in getting them back to challenging again. Just look at the cost of their squad and how bad they are. And Maddison is too big of a risk to pay 100+ million for. Which is what they will have to pay if they want him. Edited 7 January 2020 by Joefox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 5 minutes ago, Joefox said: I just don’t see how they’ve come to that evaluation. We’ve literally just not long sold them an inferior player for 80 million. And they think they are going to get Maddison for less? They have set the standards themselves in terms of valuing players. It’s just a really strange offer. Man U have always bought big. But at least they used to actually find top players for reasonable prices who went on to be top class. Their current policy is not really sustainable no matter how rich they are. Waiting for other teams to take a chance on someone and then paying through the nose for them. Literally every team they do business with now is going to ask for extortionate prices. But players will always want to go and play for them because like someone else mentioned they think they will be the difference in getting them back to challenging again. Just look at the cost of their squad and how bad they are. And Maddison is too big of a risk to pay 100+ million for. Which is what they will have to pay if they want him. some good points, I think we are / have been doing what Man United used to do in terms of the transfer market... buying players for a reasonable fee that are turning in to top class players. The gap is too small between us and Manchester United hence the ludicrous fee they paid for Maguire, they should start looking elsewhere unless they want to continue being ripped of left (Pogba 90m) right (Maguire 80m) and center (Fred 52m) ... Fergie must be laughing his head off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Posted 7 January 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 7 January 2020 LCFC will never be a consistent top 4 contender if we sell our best player to a rival top 4 club each summer. It will work for a while but the moment a Grealish doesn’t replace a Maddison or a Caglar a Maguire, we go down the route of Southampton. We have a good model that has helped get us up there but we will need another to stay up there consistently- at some point we’ll need to start behaving and spending like a top four club if we want to be considered a permanent fixture alongside Manchester’s, Liverpool and the 3 London Clubs. We are a way off yet. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: LCFC will never be a consistent top 4 contender if we sell our best player to a rival top 4 club each summer. It will work for a while but the moment a Grealish doesn’t replace a Maddison or a Caglar a Maguire, we go down the route of Southampton. We have a good model that has helped get us up there but we will need another to stay up there consistently- at some point we’ll need to start behaving and spending like a top four club if we want to be considered a permanent fixture alongside Manchester’s, Liverpool and the 3 London Clubs. We are a way off yet. This is spot on I think, and part of me thinks it actually cannot be changed to such a degree where we could replace one of the traditional big 6. Instead, the transition to a big 7 is all that will be on offer. I do not like this, and no-one should, as it stinks of the antithesis of meritocracy, which no sporting competition (It actually still is, not just entertainment) should ever strive to be from a consumer perspective. However, as the bum on seats fans are no longer the most powerful consumers, these concerns will continue to fall on uninterested ears. Edited 7 January 2020 by Dahnsouff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 Manure are like an aging Playboy. They still think they can roll into any Nightclub and chat-up and take home the most beautiful girls. Those days are long gone as the competition elsewhere is more exciting and plentiful. They should try Tinder. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo220 Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 Are people actually taking this seriously? When do Fee+Player deals ever actually happen? They're generally concocted by some spotty teenager in his bedroom after having spent too much time on football manager and PornHub. I mean i can really only think of the Sanchez/Mkhitaryan deal that actually happened (may be wrong). I'm certain that United would love him in their squad - so would quite a few teams. But United they will know better than anyone that they aren't going to get him on the cheap and they most certainly aren't getting him with an offer of some ludicrous deal involving a player that cant demand a regular place in a team putting out the kind of erratic performances that they are at the minute. Its a typical clickbait article and is getting way more time on here that it should be. There absolutely WILL be offers for Maddison at some point in the future. When that time comes, the board have proven themselves more than capable of putting the clubs best interests first, which may or may not involve the sale of the player - but you can bet your bottom dollar that its going to be one hell of a fee and only on the terms that suit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 27 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Manure are like an aging Playboy. They still think they can roll into any Nightclub and chat-up and take home the most beautiful girls. Those days are long gone as the competition elsewhere is more exciting and plentiful. They should try Tinder. More like https://www.eharmony.co.uk/lifestyle/over-60s-dating/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 1 hour ago, Kitchandro said: Man Utd are delusional if they think they're going to get Maddison. Firstly, they aren't finishing in the top 4, not a chance. We'll be in the Champions League next season and they won't. So for the next 2 windows it isn't an attractive proposition for him. Secondly, if they were willing to pay what we'd ask they know they'd be getting shafted like they did with Maguire. They'd have to think twice about it. The fact we're hearing rumours about a swap deal with Lingard says it all. They are not to be taken seriously. They've become a desperate Mickey Mouse operation and I'm not convinced they can afford to spend the money. Considering they were not able to pay the full £80m for Maguire up front shows this. Did they not pay £70 odd million and will pay the rest this window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 19 hours ago, Sunbury Fox said: I think Man U are living in the past where they could buy whichever player they wanted at any time - that was the cornerstone of their success under Ferguson. They still see us as insignificant club whose players will be desperate to play for them. What they've failed to appreciate is that, unlike back in the Ferguson days, we, along with other mid sized PL clubs, have lots of money too now so we can't be pushed about. Plus of course our current first team is streets better than theirs. Yet still you get Solskjaer coming out with arrogant claptrap along the lines of every other manager being jealous because he manages Man U. The cornerstone of their succuss under fergie was being lucky enough to have 5 kids come through the academy at the same time that cost them next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: The cornerstone of their succuss under fergie was being lucky enough to have 5 kids come through the academy at the same time that cost them next to nothing. And they were a bigger enough club to hold on to them with the exception of Beckham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cujek Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: FAKE SHIRT ALERT That is disgusting. When people do this its so embarrassing, are fanzine ran by 14 year old Algerians, as its about on their level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 Just now, Cujek said: That is disgusting. When people do this its so embarrassing, are fanzine ran by 14 year old Algerians, as its about on their level. Global fan engagement I am afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 55 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: LCFC will never be a consistent top 4 contender if we sell our best player to a rival top 4 club each summer. It will work for a while but the moment a Grealish doesn’t replace a Maddison or a Caglar a Maguire, we go down the route of Southampton. We have a good model that has helped get us up there but we will need another to stay up there consistently- at some point we’ll need to start behaving and spending like a top four club if we want to be considered a permanent fixture alongside Manchester’s, Liverpool and the 3 London Clubs. We are a way off yet. We can't spend like them, so we can't behave like them. So quite honestly, people just need to accept that teams that can tripple the wages we can offer, are going to steal our players. What we need to do is invest wisely and sell for good money when it suits us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 Just now, Babylon said: We can't spend like them, so we can't behave like them. So quite honestly, people just need to accept that teams that can tripple the wages we can offer, are going to steal our players. What we need to do is invest wisely and sell for good money when it suits us. Yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 Just now, Jimbo said: Yet How do you think we can spend like them when their income dwarfs ours. It would take 20 years of sustained (hard without the cash) success to get anywhere close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: We can't spend like them, so we can't behave like them. So quite honestly, people just need to accept that teams that can tripple the wages we can offer, are going to steal our players. What we need to do is invest wisely and sell for good money when it suits us. What we need to do is hold them to their contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 3 hours ago, TRAD-DAD said: Whats being male got to do with it? Because there was a female who wasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 5 minutes ago, Babylon said: How do you think we can spend like them when their income dwarfs ours. It would take 20 years of sustained (hard without the cash) success to get anywhere close. 20 years is a bit of a stretch. A decade maybe. I'm not saying for 1 minute that we're about to spunk between £70million - £100million on transfers or we're about to start breaking our wage structure with 200k a week contracts. But 10 years ago would you have believed we would have players in 120k a week?? Would you have believed we'd spend £70 million in one transfer window on 2 players?? You're right that it will take time, if at all, to be on par with them, it's probably not going to happen. But we can close the gap within a few years of continued and sustained success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 7 January 2020 Share Posted 7 January 2020 19 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: What we need to do is hold them to their contract. So you think having a squad of pissed off players, with pissed off agents is going to keep us high up the league? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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