Coronavirus Thread

[CosbehFox]

Just now, joachim1965 said:

I get your point but I don't think it's relevant here, what about the seaside towns in summer, they were packed, BLM protests brought tens of thousands of people together but there was no spike in hospital admissions or deaths, all the evidence points to the pandemic being over,  it's only governments and msm keeping it going, as I have been banging on about for a while now,  the pcr test cannot diagnose Covid-19, it wasn't made for diagnosis, the false positives are huge.

Events which occurred outdoors 
 

It’s said to be that 97.5% coronavirus cases are caught in indoor environments with just 2.5% in outdoor areas. 
 

[joachim1965]

1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Events which occurred outdoors 
 

It’s said to be that 97.5% coronavirus cases are caught in indoor environments with just 2.5% in outdoor areas. 
 

Why can't we watch a football match then, or have more than six people to a bbq, open air pop concert. The rules are being made up as they go along with no scientific basis, Cineworld are closing due to the measures being imposed and then you have Doris telling people to go to the cinema, you really couldn't make it up,  oh hang on, they are.

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Filbert_Ross said:

The problem is WE Dont Feel better...!!

[Legend_in_blue]

18 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Because you are comparing an apple to a pear. It’s that simple. 
 

On your point about measures, there’s a few quite obvious pointers on that regards people actually complying with the measurements and equally the relation of vitamin D, outdoor activities etc. 

So you are on agreement with govt measures and the reasoning for this?

[fuchsntf]

Conspiracy...I reckon there was a G20 meeting..and they all Agreed to create  a pandemic situation..because The Major  A&Es Worldwide were being swamped..

Ffs it worked..!!!   Nobody dare go near them now..

[Dr The Singh]

45 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

The problem is WE Dont Feel better...!!

He is my hero

[Desabafar]

1 hour ago, joachim1965 said:

spot on, I can't believe people are still blind to it. We are in no worse position than we were last year. Top doctors,  scientists are all saying the same.

last year we didn't have a new virus that when left to spread as in march is dangerous for hospitals and causes many deaths so we are in a worse position now. the reason why things are lower now is because of the action to stop that virus which also prevent other deaths. you may say no to more action fine but that shouldnt mean you say no to any action when the virus is around.

[Guest Fktf]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Events which occurred outdoors 
 

It’s said to be that 97.5% coronavirus cases are caught in indoor environments with just 2.5% in outdoor areas. 
 

Good luck with this. It is a confound people can't (or mostly likely won't) accept, despite it being the case for why the common cold comes and goes with the seasons.

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

The problem is WE Dont Feel better...!!

Thing is, it’s either just some sort of bullshit election set up and he really is a big clown Or, he really has had a load of drugs whacked into him and it’s got rid of the virus, which is a right kick in the bollocks to the scientific community that have spent months testing and trialing vaccines and drugs bit by bit. It will make them look like they’re dragging the virus out. 

[Desabafar]

1 hour ago, joachim1965 said:

I get your point but I don't think it's relevant here, what about the seaside towns in summer, they were packed, BLM protests brought tens of thousands of people together but there was no spike in hospital admissions or deaths, all the evidence points to the pandemic being over,  it's only governments and msm keeping it going, as I have been banging on about for a while now,  the pcr test cannot diagnose Covid-19, it wasn't made for diagnosis, the false positives are huge.

 

 

 

 

 

how many false positives are there

Edited 5 October 2020 by Desabafar

[Guest Fktf]

10 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Thing is, it’s either just some sort of bullshit election set up and he really is a big clown Or, he really has had a load of drugs whacked into him and it’s got rid of the virus, which is a right kick in the bollocks to the scientific community that have spent months testing and trialing vaccines and drugs bit by bit. It will make them look like they’re dragging the virus out. 

Medical ethics is curious. If I were on deaths door, I'd want to try any treatment possible. Who cares if it kills me, I'm going as it stands anyway. But you're not allowed to do that as a doctor.

[joachim1965]

39 minutes ago, Desabafar said:

 

 

 

 

 

how many false positives are there

The accepted figure of false positives is around 2.3%.

[joachim1965]

[Desabafar]

22 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

The accepted figure of false positives is around 2.3%.

2.3% of total tests? 

last thursday there were 48 deaths. the median time to dying from symptoms is 18 days but we will say two weeks so the Thursday two weeks before 242273 tests was done. 2.3% is 5572. 5572 false positives but there were only 4637 cases. so we had 48 deaths from -935 cases?

[yorkie1999]

Well, according to sky news , they’re using a 2003 version of excel! Bullshit. Something fishy is going on.

[joachim1965]

47 minutes ago, Desabafar said:

2.3% of total tests? 

last thursday there were 48 deaths. the median time to dying from symptoms is 18 days but we will say two weeks so the Thursday two weeks before 242273 tests was done. 2.3% is 5572. 5572 false positives but there were only 4637 cases. so we had 48 deaths from -935 cases?

false positive rates are between 0.8 and 4 % .

2.3% is just a rough guide as the true false positives number is not known exactly. 

so we can deduce from the fugures you quote,  most positives were false.

[joachim1965]

1 hour ago, Desabafar said:

2.3% of total tests? 

last thursday there were 48 deaths. the median time to dying from symptoms is 18 days but we will say two weeks so the Thursday two weeks before 242273 tests was done. 2.3% is 5572. 5572 false positives but there were only 4637 cases. so we had 48 deaths from -935 cases?

If you lower the figure to 2% then you get 4836 false positives. you get the idea.

[Desabafar]

5 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

false positive rates are between 0.8 and 4 % .

2.3% is just a rough guide as the true false positives number is not known exactly. 

so we can deduce from the fugures you quote,  most positives were false.

 

if it is 2.3%,there is a negative number of cases and that is impossible. but if it is 0.8, then that is 1983 false cases. so 2699 real cases and 48 deaths. so then a 1.8% death rate which seems like something we should be concerned for, that is high. but you are telling us it is over so no concern. 1.8% 40m for herd immunity is 720k. so you saying loads of cases are false means virus more dangerous 

[st albans fox]

Aren’t there any false negatives ?  Or do we conveniently avoid discussing them ?  And what about all the people who are asymptomatic who aren’t tested ?  the cases reported as being positive are an indicator of what’s happening in the country as a whole.
 

Does the ONS survey data use the same testing ?

 

and you can’t compare deaths with cases on a specific day. deaths lag cases by 2 to 4 weeks, perhaps even longer now we have better treatment. so deaths today should be compared with case numbers for the period 14/21 days ago imo. 
 

 

[CosbehFox]

10 hours ago, joachim1965 said:

Why can't we watch a football match then, or have more than six people to a bbq, open air pop concert. The rules are being made up as they go along with no scientific basis, Cineworld are closing due to the measures being imposed and then you have Doris telling people to go to the cinema, you really couldn't make it up,  oh hang on, they are.

I don’t agree with it the reasonings why they can’t have those events but you technically can go watch non league football with up to 600. 
 

They are concerned about how people get to events such as live sport and concerts. It would be high concentration of people on public transport, in pubs before/after and high concentration of people leaving at once. The reduced crowds in Europe at football games all have an appointed time to arrive across ninety minutes before the game. I can’t explain why the Govt here aren’t encouraging something similar. 
 

They have stopped people holding events in their back gardens because there was still the use of toilets etc where contamination could take place. That’s the one area the government have the data which we can’t see in terms of ‘household mixing’ being the root of the problem. 
 

 

Edited 6 October 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[CosbehFox]

10 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

So you are on agreement with govt measures and the reasoning for this?

Nope and I haven’t said that either

[CosbehFox]

24 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

and you can’t compare deaths with cases on a specific day. deaths lag cases by 2 to 4 weeks, perhaps even longer now we have better treatment. so deaths today should be compared with case numbers for the period 14/21 days ago imo. 
 

 

That’s the biggest problem with it for the Govt or any decision maker at council level, the data you receive is always ‘old’. 
 

Alongside that we don’t know the full extent of the spread in March/April. There is a belief that infection rate may have been as high as 4. 

Edited 6 October 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[joachim1965]

6 hours ago, Desabafar said:

 

if it is 2.3%,there is a negative number of cases and that is impossible. but if it is 0.8, then that is 1983 false cases. so 2699 real cases and 48 deaths. so then a 1.8% death rate which seems like something we should be concerned for, that is high. but you are telling us it is over so no concern. 1.8% 40m for herd immunity is 720k. so you saying loads of cases are false means virus more dangerous 

If the virus was more dangerous we would be seeing more deaths than 1 person in a million.

In fact at the moment it is under 1 person in a million.

[StanSP]

Shameful. 

 

 

[Desabafar]

1 hour ago, joachim1965 said:

If the virus was more dangerous we would be seeing more deaths than 1 person in a million.

In fact at the moment it is under 1 person in a million.

that is the rate of death in population, what is rate of death for people with the virus?