Coronavirus Thread

[yorkie1999]

10 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Have you seen the state of heroin addicts though

 

That’s my point

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said:

That’s my point

Yeah but they inject themselves anywhere and everywhere. I don't trust myself to inject it properly

 

[yorkie1999]

20 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Yeah but they inject themselves anywhere and everywhere. I don't trust myself to inject it properly

 

From the pictures I’ve seen, and I’m not an expert at sticking needles into things, apart from that doll of my mother in law, isn’t it just a case of sticking it in a fleshy bit, like the top of your arm or your arse.

 Just looked it up, and you stick it in a muscle. 

Edited 1 January 2021 by yorkie1999

[Leicester_Loyal]

20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

You mean chicken. All this talk of fining people isn’t a deterrent. Stick a couple of bouncers on the door of every shop and the issue of not wearing masks would no longer be an issue. How much would that actually cost, maybe a couple of million a day. There must be tons of them unemployed at the moment

With regards to this, if we're talking about your average member of the public stepping in? I've always thought I'd try to step in and do the right thing in situations like this, but a friend of a friend did it a few years ago to try and stop a fight. How was he rewarded? He got a blade put straight into him and died not long after. If you end up slapping some idiot in a shop because they start on you as you challenged them for not wearing a mask, you'll probably end up getting a criminal record yourself, the police aren't going to take your side.

 

**** that, keep yourself to yourself, I've thought that way for a while, only way I'd put myself at risk is if someone was massively at risk themselves.

[yorkie1999]

6 minutes ago, Sly said:

A bit harsh, some people just aren’t confrontational, or just can’t be arsed with the aftermath. 
 

You’re not wrong about manning door though, although it would be difficult to do that on your local corner shop.

 

Whilst people rebel, these marginal infringements become more widely accepted and more and more people rebel. 

The only problem I can see is organisation, something that this country seems to be sadly lacking in. Why can’t the government just say if you own a shop, we will pay 1000 quid a week for you to employ 2 bouncers on your door. Problem sorted, in a couple of hours.

[yorkie1999]

5 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

With regards to this, if we're talking about your average member of the public stepping in? I've always thought I'd try to step in and do the right thing in situations like this, but a friend of a friend did it a few years ago to try and stop a fight. How was he rewarded? He got a blade put straight into him and died not long after. If you end up slapping some idiot in a shop because they start on you as you challenged them for not wearing a mask, you'll probably end up getting a criminal record yourself, the police aren't going to take your side.

 

**** that, keep yourself to yourself, I've thought that way for a while, only way I'd put myself at risk is if someone was massively at risk themselves.

There’s a good reason why you should always wear Nike running shoes.

[BenTheFox]

55 minutes ago, Sly said:

Imagine if they paid people £100 for dobbing people breaking the rules in. Fine being paid by the person getting caught. 😂 

I fully understand people reporting large gatherings, because that's completely irresponsible and an absolute piss take. However, I'm definitely not a fan of people dobbing their neighbours in it for occassionally having the odd friend or family member over. 

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

I fully understand people reporting large gatherings, because that's completely irresponsible and an absolute piss take. However, I'm definitely not a fan of people dobbing their neighbours in it for occassionally having the odd friend or family member over. 

Anything you need to get off your chest Ben?

[yorkie1999]

3 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

I fully understand people reporting large gatherings, because that's completely irresponsible and an absolute piss take. However, I'm definitely not a fan of people dobbing their neighbours in it for occassionally having the odd friend or family member over. 

Be a good little money earner though.

[Corky]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

'back towards normality by Easter' 

 

 

Thank God this isn't the only way out of lockdowns and restrictions  

[pleatout]

1 hour ago, Leeds Fox said:

Surely they could use the 1000s of military medics and nurses to set up vaccination centres like the current testing centres. Taking the workload away from the NHS and making the vaccinations available to everyone who needs one. 

The problem is that there arent 1000's in the forces - full time.  The last figures I could find are that there are approx 1500 nurses (the largest group).  But most of these will already be busy.  yes they can (and have) provide some support to the NHS but there arent massive numbers.  

[yorkie1999]

2 minutes ago, pleatout said:

The problem is that there arent 1000's in the forces - full time.  The last figures I could find are that there are approx 1500 nurses (the largest group).  But most of these will already be busy.  yes they can (and have) provide some support to the NHS but there arent massive numbers.  

They were training army personnel to man the nightingales at the start of all this. 

[AoWW]

I recognise the importance of keeping the economy going. I realise parents need to work and having children off school impacts on this. However, I cannot begin to fathom how having (most) primary schools reopening next week is safe in the current circumstances. Yes, I don't mind admitting I'm scared of returning to work next week... not just for myself but also for my family, the children and their families, my colleagues and the wider community. 

 

These aren't my words but I agree with most of the points below...

Edited 1 January 2021 by AoWW

[Leeds Fox]

28 minutes ago, pleatout said:

The problem is that there arent 1000's in the forces - full time.  The last figures I could find are that there are approx 1500 nurses (the largest group).  But most of these will already be busy.  yes they can (and have) provide some support to the NHS but there arent massive numbers.  

There are far more medics than nurses in our Armed Forces, and believe me when I say the majority of the medics are not ‘busy’. 

[Col city fan]

25 minutes ago, pleatout said:

The problem is that there arent 1000's in the forces - full time.  The last figures I could find are that there are approx 1500 nurses (the largest group).  But most of these will already be busy.  yes they can (and have) provide some support to the NHS but there arent massive numbers.  

This

I think public perception of the NHS and the Armed Forces is one of tons of staff all being able to change what they are doing and to 'step-in' at the drop of a hat.

The reality is however, flexible frontline staff can be, both the NHS and the Armed Forces are massively stretched ALREADY, staffing-wise

Hence the call for volunteers (eg. ex nurses, paramedics etc) which is a great shout. But don't forget these have to be available, trained and the whole thing needs co-ordination.

It'll be done - the NHS is a fantastic institution - but there's a HUGE amount of work that will go into this, at the same time that all the nurses, docs, physios, OT's etc still have to do their existing work.

[Sly]

23 minutes ago, AoWW said:

I recognise the importance of keeping the economy going. I realise parents need to work and having children off school impacts on this. However, I cannot begin to fathom how having (most) primary schools reopening next week is safe in the current circumstances. Yes, I don't mind admtting I'm scared of returning to work next week... not just for myself but also for my family, the children and their families, my colleagues and the wider community. 

 

These aren't my words but I agree with most of the points below...

My wife and I had a discussion on our daughter returning to primary school today. 
 

The reality is, we both work from home full time, rarely leave the house now other than for exercise and drop her at school. 
 

We stand very little chance of catching it, other than from her. They struggle to keep children separated (albeit they’re in a bubble). However these children are mixing with other people externally, we can’t guarantee she won’t get it.  

[Leeds Fox]

7 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

This

I think public perception of the NHS and the Armed Forces is one of tons of staff all being able to change what they are doing and to 'step-in' at the drop of a hat.

The reality is however, flexible frontline staff can be, both the NHS and the Armed Forces are massively stretched ALREADY, staffing-wise

Hence the call for volunteers (eg. ex nurses, paramedics etc) which is a great shout. But don't forget these have to be available, trained and the whole thing needs co-ordination.

It'll be done - the NHS is a fantastic institution - but there's a HUGE amount of work that will go into this, at the same time that all the nurses, docs, physios, OT's etc still have to do their existing work.

Col, sorry but it was me who made the original comment about the armed forces having a potential capacity to step in. Armed forces personnel are frequently (more frequently than you’d believe) expected to be on call to help out different sectors should the need arise. I only mentioned nurses and medics because at the moment, they aren’t working at full capacity and are certainly not overstretched (all factors to do with CV19). It wasn’t a flippant comment that just expected help to be given from the Armed Forces.

 

Edit: I mentioned the medical personnel because they are trained. Plenty (1000s) of others are already waiting for a call to help out with logistics and ancillary services to provide help with the vaccination roll out.

 

Regarding planning and coordination, this should be expected of the upper MoD management and their Gov and NHS counterparts, it’s what they’re paid to do.

Edited 1 January 2021 by Leeds Fox

[Col city fan]

3 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

Col, sorry but it was me who made the original comment about the armed forces having a potential capacity to step in. Armed forces personnel are frequently (more frequently than you’d believe) expected to be on call to help out different sectors should the need arise. I only mentioned nurses and medics because at the moment, they aren’t working at full capacity and are certainly not overstretched (all factors to do with CV19). It wasn’t a flippant comment that just expected help to be given from the Armed Forces.

Nurses and Doctors are working at full capacity mate. I’ll bow to your better knowledge on the Armed Forces however I know that they’ve suffered massive cuts over recent years 

[Magictv]

29 minutes ago, AoWW said:

I recognise the importance of keeping the economy going. I realise parents need to work and having children off school impacts on this. However, I cannot begin to fathom how having (most) primary schools reopening next week is safe in the current circumstances. Yes, I don't mind admtting I'm scared of returning to work next week... not just for myself but also for my family, the children and their families, my colleagues and the wider community. 

 

These aren't my words but I agree with most of the points below...

Not that it actually helps anything but I have huge sympathy for teachers during this whole thing. Basically for all the reasons outlined in that post and also for the unfair criticism they seem to have attracted for not being happy with the shit situation they have been put in.

 

Assuming from your post you are a teacher, I hope it all goes ok and you and your colleagues stay safe.

[Leeds Fox]

Just now, Col city fan said:

Nurses and Doctors are working at full capacity mate. I’ll bow to your better knowledge on the Armed Forces however I know that they’ve suffered massive cuts over recent years 

Basically, due to the pandemic, most military establishments are running on low manning, in turn meaning less people coming through the doctors surgeries, meaning much less work for the medical staff. Most surgeries are actually closed apart from essential services. 
 

I have no medical background and won’t pretend to know what’s going on, and there will be a reason it hasn’t happened. I just didn’t want my point to be seen as flippant because it wasn’t.

[Parafox]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

Yeah but they inject themselves anywhere and everywhere. I don't trust myself to inject it properly

 

 

Heroin addicts inject into a vein.

 

2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

From the pictures I’ve seen, and I’m not an expert at sticking needles into things, apart from that doll of my mother in law, isn’t it just a case of sticking it in a fleshy bit, like the top of your arm or your arse.

 Just looked it up, and you stick it in a muscle. 

Yep. Vaccinations are intramuscular.

[pleatout]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

They were training army personnel to man the nightingales at the start of all this. 

You cant train an ICU nurse is a week or two.  Sorry, the nightingales were a bit of a publicity stunt.

[yorkie1999]

3 minutes ago, pleatout said:

You cant train an ICU nurse is a week or two.  Sorry, the nightingales were a bit of a publicity stunt.

Never said they could, you were answering to a remark about vaccination clinics were you not, I was raising the point that army staff have been trained to work in the nightingale hospitals and surely part of that training would have been to stick a needle in someone.

[pleatout]

45 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

 

 

Edit: I mentioned the medical personnel because they are trained. Plenty (1000s) of others are already waiting for a call to help out with logistics and ancillary services to provide help with the vaccination roll out.

 

They already are.  The local vaccination centres have  already been setup with the help of both RAF and Army.

[pleatout]

1 hour ago, Leeds Fox said:

There are far more medics than nurses in our Armed Forces, and believe me when I say the majority of the medics are not ‘busy’. 

Problem is that "medics" - are not clinicians.  There is a whole legal, litigation issue here.  You get the clinical decision wrong and you could kill a perfectly healthy person.  An army medic offering specialist battlefield 1st aid to someone that is already dying is very different.   "Harming" a healthy human is manslaughter, "harming" someone that is bleeding to death is doing your best.

 

That is why the plan for nightingales was for nhs staff to supervise armed forces "health care assistants". 

 

"The RCN supports HCAs to administer specific vaccines to adults and the nasal influenza vaccine to children. This is only if they are appropriately trained and have the support of a registered health care professional. For example, a GP or nurse in primary care. The RCN does not support HCAs administering other vaccines. These include the remainder of the childhood vaccination programme or travel vaccines. This is due to the clinical decision-making involved."