Coronavirus Thread

[I am Rod Hull]

6 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

BBC News - What happens if I don't get the Covid vaccine?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56359242

 

 

The propaganda mutates faster than the virus 

 

[DennisNedry]

1 hour ago, I am Rod Hull said:

 

The propaganda mutates faster than the virus 

 

Maybe it's worth getting it purely to save the NHS time contacting you again? Because they're now focusing solely on the over 50s and want to mop up the no-shows and vaccine decliners before moving to the lower age groups. They won't leave you alone until you've had it

 

Also the faster we're all jabbed, the faster the government will give us our lives back, whether most of us need jabs or not 

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 hours ago, Spudulike said:

How would you feel if you contracted Covid again and passed it onto someone that ended up in hospital with a tube down their throat? 

Why are these sorts of questions only directed at people with regards to COVID?

 

Why don't we shame smokers for puffing away and potentially infecting us all? Why don't we speak down to fatties who take up valuable NHS time and resources, which could be much better spent towards people who are genuinely ill? Why don't we force people to stop drinking alcohol to free up A&E on weekends and ensure waiting times are quick for those who are genuinely in need?

 

I'm not having a go, but it seems like we're focused totally on COVID and absolutely nothing else. Rather than having conversations about it, we just seem to be calling people murders and expecting that to change their viewpoint.

[dsr-burnley]

4 hours ago, I am Rod Hull said:

Turned down a 2nd offer of getting the jab today (daughter works in the NHS and arranges appointments). I had covid back in January and it was nothing, just a dry cough and a slight loss of appetite, I`v had worse hangovers.... 

 

I`m not one of those "antivaxxers", I encourage people to get vaccinated but, I just know my immune system is top notch and I do not need it. I also look at stats and not media shizzle.....

 

 

I`m getting some grief from my daughter though 

 

 

It's an eccentric thing to make a stand about.  A strange hill to die on, if you like.  There are reasons why you would go against the advice of your doctor and risk disadvantages like not being able to fly (perhaps), but "I do not need it" is such a trivial one to make a point of principle.  It would be different if you had a stronger reason.

[Super_horns]

8 hours ago, Corky said:

The sooner March 29th comes around and we're able to meet up outside the better. I'm sure even the police are fed up with having to deal with this sort of thing.

People already are in bubbles aren’t they ?

 

Since my vaccine and the 3 week period I have been - within the guidelines of course !

 

No idea why this poor lady got into trouble - must have been frightening to get a knock late at night for her.

 

Maybe the neighbour was upset they weren’t invited to the social distancing cuppa outside ?!

[Sampson]

6 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Why are these sorts of questions only directed at people with regards to COVID?

 

Why don't we shame smokers for puffing away and potentially infecting us all? Why don't we speak down to fatties who take up valuable NHS time and resources, which could be much better spent towards people who are genuinely ill? Why don't we force people to stop drinking alcohol to free up A&E on weekends and ensure waiting times are quick for those who are genuinely in need?

 

I'm not having a go, but it seems like we're focused totally on COVID and absolutely nothing else. Rather than having conversations about it, we just seem to be calling people murders and expecting that to change their viewpoint.

I think you completely misread his post. He asked how you'd feel if you passed covid onto someone else and you went on an entirely different rant.

 

Drinking and eating aren't contagious and once we discovered the harmful effects of second hand smoke we absolutely did do something about it as a society by banning smoking indoors in public places and making people smoke in designated smoking areas away from others.

 

As for your post, it's pretty simple why covid affects that much more right now - Hospital beds for things we know about as a society such as cancers, flu or illnesses caused by smoking, alcohol or obesity we can plan for as a society and we can create capacity in hospitals and train doctors and nurses for what we know the stastical regularity caused by those things based on ONS figures. We understand the need for the NHS in a standard year and we plan the services of the NHS around that. 

 

But for an entirely new disease, that adds extra capacity needed which we can't plan for. Even with all the planning and resources of ventilators or hospital beds in the world, you can't just hire nurses and doctors from thin air- and neither can you just have hundreds of thousands of fully trained competent medical staff on reserve just in case because a job that specialised can't be done by just having the odd refresher - and thats ultimately going to be the problem of any pandemic in any country with any healthcare system.

 

Honestly think most people trying to talk themselves out of the vaccine are just scared by needles ultimately. I really cannot understand the logic behind IARH's post at all.

Edited 20 March 2021 by Sampson

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-56465395

 

Hmmmm.

[CosbehFox]

19 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Not sure that is the reason though, were Britain not already in control of their own medicine department even without relying on the EU. It seemed Britain always had their own special ways even when in the EU.

Alongside that the NHS has a history of working with pharma. Both parties have leaned on each other when it comes to medical research. Originally Oxford were going to team up with an American based pharma before the UK govt step in and said use what we have in AZ
 

Europe plays more of customer role to the Pharma companies. 

[st albans fox]

Article on the beeb about excess deaths in Russia being in the region of 400/450k

 

i don’t think this is any worse than here but it shows that comparing figures from around the world is fraught with inconsistencies...

[String fellow]

8 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

It's an eccentric thing to make a stand about.  A strange hill to die on, if you like.  There are reasons why you would go against the advice of your doctor and risk disadvantages like not being able to fly (perhaps), but "I do not need it" is such a trivial one to make a point of principle.  It would be different if you had a stronger reason.

The phrase 'a strange hill to die on' has now cropped up here twice this week. I'd never heard it before.

[Dunge]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-56465395

 

Hmmmm.

One of those “law of unintended consequences” situations, I suspect. ie. if you don’t give people the opportunity to benefit from future development, that development simply isn’t attempted or achieved. Altruism isn’t enough.

[leicsmac]

31 minutes ago, Dunge said:

One of those “law of unintended consequences” situations, I suspect. ie. if you don’t give people the opportunity to benefit from future development, that development simply isn’t attempted or achieved. Altruism isn’t enough.

Yeah, I'd agree.

 

There does have to be personal incentivisation in place in the vast majority of cases.

[Soup]

Big anti lockdown protests today in over 40 cities worldwide, including London. Expect some of them to kick off when the Police charge in .

[Bellend Sebastian]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56420379

 

Some people really have got too much time on their hands, haven't they?

 

This is as bad as getting a UKIP pamphlet through the door or U2 shitting an album uninvited into iTunes

[Guest Col city fan]

A third wave appears to be cutting across much of Europe it would seem?

I hope we aren’t affected. I fear another lockdown extension and many of us couldn’t take it tbh. Psychologically, financially, economically it’d be ruinous

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, String fellow said:

The phrase 'a strange hill to die on' has now cropped up here twice this week. I'd never heard it before.

I've certainly heard it before, but I dare say I must have seen it on here and that brought it to mind.  No intentional plagiarism, I promise!  Like so many English idioms, I dare say it's one we might use one or twice in a lifetime.

[String fellow]

1 hour ago, Soup said:

Big anti lockdown protests today in over 40 cities worldwide, including London. Expect some of them to kick off when the Police charge in .

It's fairly safe to assume that Sadiq Khan will then complain about the police action, despite his own position of wanting London to be in lockdown! 

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

A third wave appears to be cutting across much of Europe it would seem?

I hope we aren’t affected. I fear another lockdown extension and many of us couldn’t take it tbh. Psychologically, financially, economically it’d be ruinous

Does a huge vaccine rollout mean nothing to you?

[Guest Col city fan]

17 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Does a huge vaccine rollout mean nothing to you?

Time of the month Stan?

Of course it means a whole lot, God knows how many times I’ve posted on that on here. Just look above when I said Thank God for Brexit.

But our recent success has been based on two things. An exemplary vaccine roll out and being in some state of ‘lock down’. 
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of Corona, it reduces symptomology. 
What I’m saying is I so hope our borders are kept tightly shut when we come out of lock down because we don’t want the virus taking hold again in any way, shape or form.

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Time of the month Stan?

Of course it means a whole lot, God knows how many times I’ve posted on that on here. Just look above when I said Thank God for Brexit.

But our recent success has been based on two things. An exemplary vaccine roll out and being in some state of ‘lock down’. 
The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of Corona, it reduces symptomology. 
What I’m saying is I so hope our borders are kept tightly shut when we come out of lock down because we don’t want the virus taking hold again in any way, shape or form.

I was being half-serious  

 

Reduces serious illness, hospitalisation and deaths in a nutshell. So while we have a strong vaccination programme/rollout, I'm not that concerned about the potential of another lockdown. Cases might be around, but the pressure on the NHS being relieved is the main thing if the government's aim is still that (and I see no reason why it shouldn't be). Places in Europe face another lockdown partly because their vaccine rollout has been shocking after recent events/stoppages of vaccine, so no wonder cases continue to shoot up there...

[Super_horns]

People have been advised not to book holidays overseas to countries still struggling with COVID but who knows if people will listen. 

[Guest Col city fan]

3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I was being half-serious  

 

Reduces serious illness, hospitalisation and deaths in a nutshell. So while we have a strong vaccination programme/rollout, I'm not that concerned about the potential of another lockdown. Cases might be around, but the pressure on the NHS being relieved is the main thing if the government's aim is still that (and I see no reason why it shouldn't be). Places in Europe face another lockdown partly because their vaccine rollout has been shocking after recent events/stoppages of vaccine, so no wonder cases continue to shoot up there...

Aye I agree with you tbf

The pressure on the NHS has always been a key factor and you’re quite right mate, the vaccine is keeping people out of hospital.

I’ve been feeling it a bit recently tbh. Got a nice caravan at the coast and just itching to get out of bloody Leicester for a bit. 12th April can’t come quickly enough.

👍

[StanSP]

Good thread here

 

 

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of Corona, it reduces symptomology. 

The vaccine also reduces the spread.  There have never been, so far as I know, any scientific reports to say it doesn't reduce the spread.  In the early days there were scientific reports to say the didn't know whether it did or it didn't, and later on there have been reports confirming that it does reduce spread of the virus.

[Dunge]

There’s a horrible irony about the situation in Europe with regard to a third wave, and it’s that, in this country, we could do with that wave being down to the Kent variant. If it is, it shouldn’t affect us too much as the vaccines work well against it. But also the prevalence of the Kent variant might actually help to keep down the SA variant, which is probably the biggest danger to us until a booster dose of the AZ vaccine comes along. A lockdown in Europe might actually help us on that front.

 

On the other hand, if a third wave in Europe is caused predominantly by the SA variant, that could signal problems for our summer release plans. I’m sure our virologists will be keeping a close eye on the situation.