Coronavirus Thread

[peach0000]

10 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Strange comments for someone who normally comes across as a decent fella. 

 

But let's assume you get your wish. If the 500 protesters did all catch it, I wonder how many would end up in hospital? Probably somewhere around  zero. 

 

a figure which might explain why some people get the hump over loss of livelihood and loss of liberty.

The the estimated mortality rate of covid is between 0.5% and 0.9% across the entire population. If we take that lower rate somewhere between 2 or 3 would die and more hospitalised. Considering very few in that video look to be in the lowest age ranges with a mortality rate bordering on zero this is pretty conservative as well. 

[OrielCaziado]

12 minutes ago, Parafox said:

What about last years Cheltenham Festival? That was shown to be a hotspot of transmission.

You aren’t being serious are you ?  If so you do realise going to the races as part of a 30k crowd or more does involve being inside buildings and using facilities where a virus just might spread. 

[KrefelderFox666]

2 hours ago, brucey said:

I don't think there's any evidence that shows immunity from natural infection is better than vaccination.

 

Interestingly enough, there's some early reports that getting the vaccine has cured some people of their long Covid symptoms...

Does anything prove that vaccinations are better than being exposed to a virus naturally? Genuine question and not necessarily Covid based as there will be no data for it.

 

Until there is enough data to pull some meaningful basis of information, it's safer to just get the jabs even if Covid has been in your body. I am certain I had it 13 months ago so no idea if I would still have antibodies now. I never had a test to see if I had any but my wife did and hers was positive. We all felt rough late Feb last year and pretty sure our office was full of ill people.

[Soup]

16 minutes ago, Parafox said:

What about last years Cheltenham Festival? That was shown to be a hotspot of transmission.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/republicofirelandnews/2020/06/09/news/-no-evidence-rugby-and-cheltenham-fans-brought-coronavirus-into-country-1968688/

[st albans fox]

20 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Strange comments for someone who normally comes across as a decent fella. 

 

But let's assume you get your wish. If the 500 protesters did all catch it, I wonder how many would end up in hospital? Probably somewhere around  zero. 

 

a figure which might explain why some people get the hump over loss of livelihood and loss of liberty.

Peach answered for me 

 

I generally make myself feel better when I see things like this by reminding myself it’s only cos there are so many stupid people out there that I’ve managed to make a decent living over the years ....

[Paninistickers]

7 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

The the estimated mortality rate of covid is between 0.5% and 0.9% across the entire population. If we take that lower rate somewhere between 2 or 3 would die and more hospitalised. Considering very few in that video look to be in the lowest age ranges with a mortality rate bordering on zero this is pretty conservative as well. 

You are being too simplistic with the %. The estimated mortality presumably accounts for, say, 25% of over 80s struggling. And 10% of 70s. And 15% of fat fckers of any age. (Figures are guesswork btw)

 

If protesters were presumably not elderly or obese, it'd be a freakishly high viral load.ton land them in hospital 

[Parafox]

6 minutes ago, OrielCaziado said:

You aren’t being serious are you ?  If so you do realise going to the races as part of a 30k crowd or more does involve being inside buildings and using facilities where a virus just might spread. 

Get a grip. So you're saying that if everyone stayed on the concourses crammed together and didn't go inside there'd be no spike?

If that were the case all spectator sports would have been allowed as long as the 20,000+ people all stayed outside.

You're naïve. 

Edited 20 March 2021 by Parafox

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Peach answered for me 

 

I generally make myself feel better when I see things like this by reminding myself it’s only cos there are so many stupid people out there that I’ve managed to make a decent living over the years ....

Wow. You're on a roll today. 

 

You feel good about yourself because you've got a few quid? 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Does anything prove that vaccinations are better than being exposed to a virus naturally? Genuine question and not necessarily Covid based as there will be no data for it.

 

Until there is enough data to pull some meaningful basis of information, it's safer to just get the jabs even if Covid has been in your body. I am certain I had it 13 months ago so no idea if I would still have antibodies now. I never had a test to see if I had any but my wife did and hers was positive. We all felt rough late Feb last year and pretty sure our office was full of ill people.

Well it’s better than catching the virus because the vaccine won’t kill you or your grandad ......

 

fwiw, I’ve felt pretty crap today with a temp of 101F - the nurse said that if you’ve had it before then it seems that you are more prone to side effects ......

 

the reaction of my body probably means that I didn’t need the vaccine at the moment a year on but this should keep me protected to the end of the year at least 

[peach0000]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

You are being too simplistic with the %. The estimated mortality presumably accounts for, say, 25% of over 80s struggling. And 10% of 70s. And 15% of fat fckers of any age. (Figures are guesswork btw)

 

If protesters were presumably not elderly or obese, it'd be a freakishly high viral load.ton land them in hospital 

Also need to take into account the lack of children and young adults that appear to be there (there are a couple) most seem to look 40/50/60 age group to me. It's pretty difficult to be precise which is why I used the lower estimates. I think it's disingenuous to suggest with the data available that if all those people got covid none would end up in hospital. At least a few would. 

[OrielCaziado]

4 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Get a grip. So you're saying that if everyone stayed on the concourses crammed together and didn't go inside there'd be no spike?

You're naïve. 

You’re comparing a march, that’s completely outside , being as dangerous as a massive crowd in a racecourse with bars and food halls etc.  Today will be nothing like what happened at Cheltenham a year ago in terms of spreading the virus. 

Edited 20 March 2021 by OrielCaziado

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Wow. You're on a roll today. 

 

You feel good about yourself because you've got a few quid? 

well I’d prefer to have a few quid than not but that’s not the reason ...... if there weren’t enough idiots out there then making a living would be much more difficult .......that’s all .....

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, OrielCaziado said:

You’re comparing a march, that’s completely outside , being as dangerous as a massive crowd in a racecourse with bars and food halls etc.  Today will be nothing like what happened at Cheltenham a year ago in terms of spreading the virus. 

On the basis that there isn’t much virus currently circulating then you’re right L 

[The Horse's Mouth]

Every protest should be allowed, we do not live in the Soviet Union. Deaths are down to double figures and half the population is vaccinated it's time to ease.

[CosbehFox]

Just strikes me as a bit daft in this country to protest about it right now. We are a few days away from the first set of restrictions relaxed - not very far away at all from being able to have your mates in your back garden. 
 

Europe also sits on a third wave. 
 

Accepted outdoor events have no evidence of spread but what about the increased activity at tube stations today? Probably the worst environment for infections etc 

[Legend_in_blue]

This has been brewing for a while.  A coordinated effort worldwide it seems.  12 months of damaging lockdowns with no cost benefit analysis, cobbled together based on dodgy projections and suspect modelling.  Some people out there might have found lockdown a cushy number but there's plenty out there that have clearly had enough.  

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

This has been brewing for a while.  A coordinated effort worldwide it seems.  12 months of damaging lockdowns with no cost benefit analysis, cobbled together based on dodgy projections and suspect modelling.  Some people out there might have found lockdown a cushy number but there's plenty out there that have clearly had enough.  

Can you have a cost benefit analysis against the NHS being brought to a standstill?  If you want to see a country where things have generally been left to play themselves out then look at Brazil and take into account that it’s an outdoor country .....leaving the virus to do its thing will undoubtedly lead to mutations which may well be outside of the vaccines we have ....... 

[KrefelderFox666]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Well it’s better than catching the virus because the vaccine won’t kill you or your grandad ......

 

fwiw, I’ve felt pretty crap today with a temp of 101F - the nurse said that if you’ve had it before then it seems that you are more prone to side effects ......

 

the reaction of my body probably means that I didn’t need the vaccine at the moment a year on but this should keep me protected to the end of the year at least 

Yes sorry, I was more referring to having a vaccine after recovering from the virus. Fully accept that being vaccinated should be safer than exposing yourself to the virus naturally. I was just wondering what the differences are after a natural infection vs after a vaccine and if there is anything different about having both.

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Yes sorry, I was more referring to having a vaccine after recovering from the virus. Fully accept that being vaccinated should be safer than exposing yourself to the virus naturally. I was just wondering what the differences are after a natural infection vs after a vaccine and if there is anything different about having both.

I guess that if you don’t mind a couple days of side effects (book your jab with that in mind) then it’s bound to be better to have a vaccine to bolster your existing antibodies/Tcell response etc 

[CosbehFox]

Really revealing thread of tweets. Very interesting that the government referred to other opinions which were anti-lockdown. Some names/scientists whom were shared plenty times of this thread advocating no restrictions. 
 

TLDR; SAGE and Cummings pushed for a September lockdown but Boris said no 

[brucey]

53 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Yes sorry, I was more referring to having a vaccine after recovering from the virus. Fully accept that being vaccinated should be safer than exposing yourself to the virus naturally. I was just wondering what the differences are after a natural infection vs after a vaccine and if there is anything different about having both.

For some diseases, vaccines give better protection, but for other diseases, infection gives better protection.

The Covid vaccine has been shown to induce more antibodies than natural Covid infection, however antibodies only make up one part of immunity and we don't know how the T-cell response compares. Vaccines could well be better.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-natural-immunity.html

[Legend_in_blue]

It'll all come out in the wash sooner rather than later.

 

For instance, we've had the ONS admit to ignoring manufacturing instructions on how to report PCR positives this week.  One target gene used instead of the recommended two or three.  This, coupled with running cycles at over 30 when measuring for it, and hey presto, an increase in cases when the current lockdown began.

 

There's no getting away from the poor handling of the whole saga and the enquiry into this will go on for years.

Edited 20 March 2021 by Legend_in_blue

[Tuna]

Yeah like I said bellends:

 

 

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Tuna said:

Yeah like I said bellends:

 

 

Completely agree buddy

Fook-wits the lot of em

[Leicester_Loyal]

4 hours ago, Tuna said:

Yeah like I said bellends:

 

 

To be fair there's only about 10 of um singing that, even the KOP gets more than that joining in with chants.

Edited 21 March 2021 by Leicester_Loyal