Coronavirus Thread

[twister]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

How do you know this, by the way?

Because I know the place family have lived there

 

hot bed of middle class far left activism at uni's there

 

 

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

But that contract was signed because we could do the trials through an independent regulator. The problem with the EU is that it has grown to be too large and countries have different interests / objectives - this means that  it is a lengthy task to sign vaccines off and make any important decision.

 

I think that we have done well logistically too coordinating and opening big vaccine centres is much harder than it appears. Ultimately, our vaccination programme has been incredibly successful and I sincerely hope that this doesn’t change the roadmap.

I don't think so. The contracts were signed before vaccines were approved. I believe we put more money per capita than EU countries into developing our vaccine and setting up supply chains and signed a contract guaranteeing first dibs. We did most of this while still under EU law but were not forced to be part of the EU's procurement programme. If Brexit hadn't happened, who knows. We wouldn't necessarily have had to follow them, but at the same time the political will to do things differently might not have been there either.

 

The EU's vaccine roll out has been poor to say the least but they're dealing with 27 countries and it's debatable whether poorer countries in the union would've got any at all without them.

 

Edited 21 March 2021 by bovril

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

12 minutes ago, StanSP said:

How do you know this, by the way?

They clearly are, it’s undisputable. Classic antifa.

[Leicester_Loyal]

I'm all for a peaceful protest (regardless off the reason) but these idiots are just there to cause trouble.

[CosbehFox]

I support the cause they are protesting against but their actions are absolutely disgraceful. The bill will for certain get votes through now. No political party will want to be connected with that. 

[StanSP]

4 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

I'm all for a peaceful protest (regardless off the reason) but these idiots are just there to cause trouble.

Apparently it was a normal protest 'hijacked' by people there just to use this as an opportunity to be violent.

[KrefelderFox666]

46 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

I really don’t understand the argument behind distributing vaccines out to other developed countries. We have had greater success because we could approve AstraZeneca and Pfizer via an independent regulator, the EU are punishing us for our own successes. I used to be strongly remain but it is evident that the EU is a flawed institution.

They have made mistakes and now need to take action to save themselves. Would be no different the other way round.

 

They have very little vaccines and are shipping loads out to countries who are comfortable. Don't blame them for looking after themselves first. The people need it much more.

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Guardian calculated that EU stop the vaccines coming into the country. It would delay our programme by two months but barely assist the EU countries. 
 

Tomorrow the Govt are attempting to push through Coronavirus Act until October 

This could get very messy as the UK could halt vaccine components manufactured in Yorkshire from export to the EU states effectively preventing Pfizer/B from manufacturing. 

 

Seems to be another example of the EU Commission again not thinking this through. 

 

The rhetoric needs to be dialled down for the sake of the public. 

 

Edit to include the link. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/19/pfizer-urges-eu-back-away-vaccine-blockade-threat/

Edited 21 March 2021 by Spudulike

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

They have made mistakes and now need to take action to save themselves. Would be no different the other way round.

 

They have very little vaccines and are shipping loads out to countries who are comfortable. Don't blame them for looking after themselves first. The people need it much more.

Not particularly true.  For one thing, they have still got more than half the AstraZeneca vaccine that they have received because they have shown little inclination, either on the part of the leaders or of the people, to use it.  If they aren't careful it might go out of date.

 

But more crucially, the EU is not shipping any vaccine out to countries who are comfortable.  Firstly on the basis that no countries are comfortable.  Secondly on the basis that the EU does not produce vaccines.  Multinational companies who happen to have factories within EU boundaries are producing vaccine, using funds provided by their customers.  The EU's stance is that now the vaccine has been shown to be effective, the people who took the chance and funded the vaccine can get to the back of the queue while the EU cherry picks what they need.  

 

I presume the EU has no objection to Pfizer sourcing at least one of the essential parts of its vaccine from the UK?  If the EU wants closed borders for vaccines, then they will find they have no vaccine at all because Pfizer won't be able to make it there.  The EU's policy will only work if the EU implements a closed border policy while the UK allows exports of all vaccine components unhindered. 

 

It's pathetic to start a trade war over vaccines.  They ought to be ashamed.  I hope when the UK is fully vaccinated and we have a surplus, it will go to countries in the third world that truly can't afford it, not the rich countries who can afford it.

[Dunge]

I’m not a fan of the EU, and I acknowledge that. Because of it, I try to assume that the EU’s constant objectionableness toward us on this subject is based on concern over human lives that will be lost rather than jealousy and wanting to ensure we don’t “get a run on them” economically post-pandemic.

 

But their treatment of the AZ vaccine makes that increasingly hard to believe.

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56479614

 

The guy just doesn't get it.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

The EU don't appear to be handling the vaccine roll out with much success or dignity.

They seem to be vexed that the UK has done so well without them.

[Guest Col city fan]

8 hours ago, Soup said:

I'm not excusing this at all but it appears  it's not a lockdown protest. 

What do you keep banging on about on here?

These people are bored, thugs. 
Why are you trying to defend all this bollox?

[Soup]

55 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

What do you keep banging on about on here?

These people are bored, thugs. 
Why are you trying to defend all this bollox?

Saturday was nothing like what happened in Bristol yesterday. I'm not defending yesterday incase you can't read.

 

I will defend the right to peaceful protest. That is a human right and Saturday's protests worldwide we're justified whether you like it or not.

[Guest Col city fan]

10 minutes ago, Soup said:

Saturday was nothing like what happened in Bristol yesterday. I'm not defending yesterday incase you can't read.

 

I will defend the right to peaceful protest. That is a human right and Saturday's protests worldwide we're justified whether you like it or not.

It’s attitudes like yours that are making the UK what it is today.

Bollox to what people think they have ‘a right’ to do.

We are still in lockdown and this pandemic isn’t over.

Use your noddle, grow up and hopefully let’s see this thing through and come out the other end

[Soup]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

It’s attitudes like yours that are making the UK what it is today.

Bollox to what people think they have ‘a right’ to do.

We are still in lockdown and this pandemic isn’t over.

Use your noddle, grow up and hopefully let’s see this thing through and come out the other end

When is the other end? Masks and social distancing for years could be on the cards regardless of how many vaccines we roll out. People have have different options to yours and that's just the way it is. If we don't come out of this as planned it will have nothing to do with these people, it will be government policy and ideology.

 

As for telling me to grow up I think that's why I take issue with what you say. So let's leave it alone now I've a very busy week.ahead.

[CosbehFox]

When you see stuff like this, it gives you hope. Now if the EU could politely sit the fcuk down, we will be this scenario late summer 

[Spudulike]

Wow, this is incredible. OxAZ vaccine prevents 100% of serious covid illness (and no blood clots). 

 

BBC News - Covid vaccine: US trial of AstraZeneca jab confirms safety
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462

 

[yorkie1999]

11 hours ago, Spudulike said:

This could get very messy as the UK could halt vaccine components manufactured in Yorkshire from export to the EU states effectively preventing Pfizer/B from manufacturing. 

 

Seems to be another example of the EU Commission again not thinking this through. 

 

The rhetoric needs to be dialled down for the sake of the public. 

 

Edit to include the link. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/19/pfizer-urges-eu-back-away-vaccine-blockade-threat/

What's your account details?

[Matt_Lcfc]

12 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

They have made mistakes and now need to take action to save themselves. Would be no different the other way round.

 

They have very little vaccines and are shipping loads out to countries who are comfortable. Don't blame them for looking after themselves first. The people need it much more.

I disagree with the notion that countries should ship vaccines out. Yes in our case we evidently have way too many if you look at population sizes but the primary function of the government is to serve its indigenous population, worry about everybody else later imo.

[Spudulike]

20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

What's your account details?

Yeah, soz. 

[StanSP]

 

 

 

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56455030

 

Interesting stuff.

[Guest Col city fan]

5 hours ago, Soup said:

When is the other end? Masks and social distancing for years could be on the cards regardless of how many vaccines we roll out. People have have different options to yours and that's just the way it is. If we don't come out of this as planned it will have nothing to do with these people, it will be government policy and ideology.

 

As for telling me to grow up I think that's why I take issue with what you say. So let's leave it alone now I've a very busy week.ahead.

Good for you. I just hope it’s doing something productive and not protesting about something that’s already got a ‘road-map’ out or smashing up police stations, basically for a laff 

I just hope there are some serious ramifications on every one of those turds that wrecked parts of Bristol last night. 

Edited 22 March 2021 by Col city fan

[Jon the Hat]

6 hours ago, Col city fan said:

It’s attitudes like yours that are making the UK what it is today.

Bollox to what people think they have ‘a right’ to do.

We are still in lockdown and this pandemic isn’t over.

Use your noddle, grow up and hopefully let’s see this thing through and come out the other end

 

20 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Good for you. I just hope it’s doing something productive and not protesting about something that’s already got a ‘road-map’ out or smashing up police stations, basically for a laff 

I just hope there are some serious ramifications on every one of those turds that wrecked parts of Bristol last night. 

those ANTIFA type arseholes should all be locked up.  The ACAB losers too.  However taking away everyone's right to protest to achieve this is a very bad idea.