Coronavirus Thread

[Dunge]

It seems the EMA have concluded their clots review and found the biggest one to be Emmanuel Macron.

 

Fortunately there was no link found to the AZ vaccine.

[SecretPro]

Had my jab at 8:20 this morning, just starting to feel a bit ropey now. Easy sacrifice to make.

[Super_horns]

32 minutes ago, Dunge said:

It seems the EMA have concluded their clots review and found the biggest one to be Emmanuel Macron.

 

Fortunately there was no link found to the AZ vaccine.

But probably a few lives put at risk by delaying or holding up the vaccine. 

[BKLFox]

Think we will see a big number for jabs today. I’m sat in car after having mine I got the txt from the surgery at 15:50 today and booked in 1hr later.

Now the able bodied are getting it the place is heaving there’s 22 booths inside and a steady Q of at least 50 people at a time outside waiting.

Vaccinators saying it’s the busy day thus far.

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

Johnson seems adamant that the roadmap won't be set back, even to the point of noticeable irritation at being asked one too many times by a journo.

[Otis]

7 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

Johnson seems adamant that the roadmap won't be set back, even to the point of noticeable irritation at being asked one too many times by a journo.

He also said:

Football would be paused for 2 weeks.

3 weeks to flatten the curve. 

Christmas won't be cancelled. 

Lockdown until mid Feb half-term.

 

Is there any wonder why they don't believe him.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

39 minutes ago, Otis said:

He also said:

Football would be paused for 2 weeks.

3 weeks to flatten the curve. 

Christmas won't be cancelled. 

Lockdown until mid Feb half-term.

 

Is there any wonder why they don't believe him.

Football was paused for two weeks ... and then things changed so it was paused for longer.

He got the flattening the curve thing wrong.

Christmas wasn't cancelled, we just did things a little differently.

Lockdown wasn't eased before mid Feb half term so he wasn't really wrong.

 

[Just playing devil's advocate / being semi-joking, before anyone serious pipes up  ]

[Countryfox]

Regular readers of this excellent thread will know that since having that bloody Astrid Zanussi jab,  terrible things have happened to me  ..  ranging from my truck blowing up to heavy betting losses and terrible problems when wiping my arse.   Well ...  I’ve got to say that  ...  as it happens ..  it’s not all been bad !! ...  since having the jab the mighty rams bail out purchase has completely fallen through !!! ...  yes ..  completely gone tits up !!! ... leaving the shaggers in a right old mess !   So ...  on balance ..  I’d say there is no need for concern ..  none whatsoever !!   
 

I shall be sending a detailed report of my findings to the EU medical team at the Reichstag as soon as I finish this post.

[Free Falling Foxes]

Passing through the B/Leys shopping centre this afternoon and noticed about 10 police officers at least, in that area between the pound shop and Wilkinsons. They seemed to be just hanging around. I looked through the window of Poundland and loads of the folk therein had no masks on.

 

Dunno what point I might be making here, except possibly a general contempt for the law, even when it's guardians are collected en masse in the immediate area.

Edited 18 March 2021 by Free Falling Foxes

[Bilsthorpe Blue]

2 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Had my jab at 8:20 this morning, just starting to feel a bit ropey now. Easy sacrifice to make.

Same with me yesterday, had a couple of paracetamol before bed, slept really well and woke up fine, just feel my body aching now but had a busy day at work today 

[Otis]

26 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Football was paused for two weeks ... and then things changed so it was paused for longer.

He got the flattening the curve thing wrong.

Christmas wasn't cancelled, we just did things a little differently.

Lockdown wasn't eased before mid Feb half term so he wasn't really wrong.

 

[Just playing devil's advocate / being semi-joking, before anyone serious pipes up  ]

I Missed:

Schools are safe and we won't close them. 24hrs later...

[Steven]

European countries to resume AstraZeneca jabs after safety backing

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/18/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-safe-ema-blood-clotting

[reynard]

4 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

A whole year...we could have built a few hospitals in that time to help reduce the inevitable future burden on the NHS that has resulted from the lack of hospitalization and surgery on other illnesses.

We could have but we wouldn't have anyone to staff them. It takes longer to train a nurse than it does to build a hospital.

[reynard]

4 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

I can't see Spain wanting that, we are nowhere near vaccinating people with both doses, but the tourism and hospitality sectors are desperate to open up for the summer. 

 

As an aside, we are just coming out of our third wave in Spain, and bars and restaurants will be allowed to open where I live until 22:30 from tomorrow, currently they are open but only until 6pm. Not sure it's the right thing to do when the cases are only just coming down, everywhere will be absolutely heaving this weekend no doubt with British non mask wearing old folk claiming it's all a conspiracy due to Brexit or some such other nonsense

How's the vaccination programme going over there? Are you able to get one or do you need to be a Spanish citizen?

[filbertway]

 

So the EU have said it's unsafe for over 65s and now, they went all out and declared it unsafe. I wonder what complete fabrication they'll pull from their arses next in an attempt to score political points while wasting precious time in getting their populations vaccinated.

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

44 minutes ago, reynard said:

We could have but we wouldn't have anyone to staff them. It takes longer to train a nurse than it does to build a hospital.

6 months or so to train a healthcare assistant I believe.

 

We don't have to recruit trained ITU nurses, half the issues caused by the lack of staff have been through your bog standard healthcare assistants going on the sick and the NHS not having enough space or staff available for all the shifts.

[Leicester_Loyal]

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-03-18/pensioner-given-covid-breach-warning-over-socially-distanced-cup-of-tea

 

'A pensioner has been given a Covid breach warning by police after having a socially-distanced cup of tea in her communal garden.'

 

Whoever reports something like this needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

[WigstonWanderer]

4 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Football was paused for two weeks ... and then things changed so it was paused for longer.

He got the flattening the curve thing wrong.

Christmas wasn't cancelled, we just did things a little differently.

Lockdown wasn't eased before mid Feb half term so he wasn't really wrong.

 

[Just playing devil's advocate / being semi-joking, before anyone serious pipes up  ]

Careful Geoff, if you bend over backwards to defend Boris any more you might disappear up your own arsehole 

Edited 18 March 2021 by WigstonWanderer

[dsr-burnley]

53 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-03-18/pensioner-given-covid-breach-warning-over-socially-distanced-cup-of-tea

 

'A pensioner has been given a Covid breach warning by police after having a socially-distanced cup of tea in her communal garden.'

 

Whoever reports something like this needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

It's pathetic, isn't it.

 

Note the sentence at the end of the report:  “Officers are deployed to incidents based on an assessment of the threat, risk and harm of the incident and in this case officers who are part of the Covid response team and are deployed across the county attended later that evening.”

 

"assessment of the threat, risk and harm"?  If any reasonable person heard that several (presumably vaccinated) old ladies are sitting several yards apart having a cup of tea, wouldn't their assessment of the threat, risk and harm be "nil, nil and nil - we aren't going to waste our time"?

[Nod.E]

8 hours ago, leicsmac said:

This is a massive concern that those who downplay the effects of Covid aren't seeming to grasp.

 

The deaths that result from this virus won't just be direct - there will be thousands, maybe more, of indirect deaths caused by undiagnosed cancers and other diseases due to resources being used to combat the more visible threat of Covid first. There's no way around that until Covid cases (or ones that require medical attention, anyway), drop to a degree where they and other diseases can be handled together once again without impairing one or the other.

If your point is that this is a scenario that may have played out had we not locked down, fair enough.

 

But the numbers plain and simple right now do not support the points made in your post.

 

 

The blue part of the bars represent non-covid deaths, which have been consistently below the minimum for the 5 year average this year. In fact the only time they ever went above this line was a month-long spell in the first wave.

 

People that say Covid victims are 'just people that would have died of something else anyway' are wrong, but only to a point. Some of those deaths evidently are simply the weakest in society that would have died of flu or other such common cause of elderly death, otherwise why would the blue bar for non-covid deaths be so low? People haven't found a super-power. Many people are dying of COVID instead of something else.

 

Clearly the excess deaths were above the 5 year max by some distance, because of the impact of COVID, even with lockdown, so even I can accept that locking down was the correct course of action. 

 

Now, however, with;

 

- 50% of our adult population vaccinated

 

- Evidence of looser correlation between cases and hospitalisation

 

- Excess deaths non existent despite increasing flouting of lockdown rules

 

I don't think we should be concerned about not successfully following the road map.

 

POSITIVITY PLEASE!!

Edited 18 March 2021 by Nod.E

[Super_horns]

I don’t think this will be happening Gareth when there is a chance under 50s might have to wait another month or so for their vaccine.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/england-gareth-southgate-covid19-vaccine-footballers-b1819268.html%3famp

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

If your point is that this is a scenario that may have played out had we not locked down, fair enough.

 

But the numbers plain and simple right now do not support the points made in your post.

 

 

The blue part of the bars represent non-covid deaths, which have been consistently below the minimum for the 5 year average this year. In fact the only time they ever went above this line was a month-long spell in the first wave.

 

People that say Covid victims are 'just people that would have died of something else anyway' are wrong, but only to a point. Some of those deaths evidently are simply the weakest in society that would have died of flu or other such common cause of elderly death, otherwise why would the blue bar for non-covid deaths be so low? People haven't found a super-power. Many people are dying of COVID instead of something else.

 

Clearly the excess deaths were above the 5 year max by some distance, because of the impact of COVID, even with lockdown, so even I can accept that locking down was the correct course of action. 

 

Now, however, with;

 

- 50% of our adult population vaccinated

 

- Evidence of looser correlation between cases and hospitalisation

 

- Excess deaths non existent despite increasing flouting of lockdown rules

 

I don't think we should be concerned about not successfully following the road map.

 

POSITIVITY PLEASE!!

TBH I've looked at stats elsewhere that seem to corroborate this, so fair enough - we're at the point now where, with restrictions, there are no more deaths from anything than there normally would be in the course of an average year.

 

The existing roadmap seems eminently sensible given that, my point in the original post was aimed at the minority who want to "open everything up naooooooo!"

Edited 19 March 2021 by leicsmac

[Milo]

Looks like Paris are tightening restrictions for fear of third wave 😕

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56450880

[Guest Col city fan]

10 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

6 months or so to train a healthcare assistant I believe.

 

We don't have to recruit trained ITU nurses, half the issues caused by the lack of staff have been through your bog standard healthcare assistants going on the sick and the NHS not having enough space or staff available for all the shifts.

6 months or so to train a HA is utterly claptrap

Where so you get that from?

#dontbelieveeverthingyoureadonft

[FoxesDeb]

11 hours ago, reynard said:

How's the vaccination programme going over there? Are you able to get one or do you need to be a Spanish citizen?

Slowly from what I gather! They are taking a different approach in that people get both doses first rather than lots of people getting one, our town hall proudly announced last week that all our residents over the age of 80 have now received both. We have a population of about 12000, so I'm not sure how many of those are over 80  

 

We have received lots of conflicting information regarding our jabs, firstly we were told we would have to go back to the UK for them (!) but since then they have back tracked and said everyone living in Spain will receive theirs at the appropriate time. Probably in 2027