Coronavirus Thread

[Guest Col city fan]

[st albans fox]

has anyone seen any comparisons with the current rise in cases v hospitalisations over the initial four week period where the rise begins using ONS data for cases  against the rise last October and again in January ( has to be ons data as that’s consistent across the period) 

 

surely the govt have this kind of stuff and know how strong any disconnect is due to vaccine take up across the age groups 

 

hence their apparent confidence in July 19 should be cause for reassurance 

 

 

[rachhere]

10 hours ago, pazzerfox said:

I'm pretty sure they haven't been through stage 3 trials as these usually take 1-4 years.

Only because it takes that long normally to get the amount of data they need. Because of the prevalence of the virus they were able to get the evidence they needed far quicker. 

[foxile5]

15 hours ago, worth_the_wait said:

There's an article on the BBC today, saying there were no major outbreaks found at government mass pilot events.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57615547

 

They studied 9 pilot events.   The interesting thing was the number of "participants" at the 3 football events.

 

Assuming this was a detailed test event, you would think that it was a more accurate number of the actual number of attendees ... rather than a rough estimate of the number of tickets sold or given away to local residents (and assorted freebies).

 

The article interestingly quotes the following:

 18 Apr: FA Cup semi-final ( 2,728 participants)
 25 Apr: Carabao Cup final ( 7,737 participants)
 15 May: FA Cup final      (18,720 participants)

 

Not quite the 4000 and 21000 quoted for our 2 FA Cup matches.

 

Such a low level of validity though which renders them unimportant. So what that 18720 people socially distanced all with negative tests didn't spread it. It would be surprising if they did. These aren't comparable to the broad scale events they are supposed to act as support for. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

8 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Such a low level of validity though which renders them unimportant. So what that 18720 people socially distanced all with negative tests didn't spread it. It would be surprising if they did. These aren't comparable to the broad scale events they are supposed to act as support for. 

Think there was social distancing at all of them except the nightclub, think they were just crammed in as normal, was 10 cases there though.

[st albans fox]

18 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Such a low level of validity though which renders them unimportant. So what that 18720 people socially distanced all with negative tests didn't spread it. It would be surprising if they did. These aren't comparable to the broad scale events they are supposed to act as support for. 

 

9 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Think there was social distancing at all of them except the nightclub, think they were just crammed in as normal, was 10 cases there though.

My rough mental maths told me that the number of positive cases was in line with what was being found in general at that time 

 

So the events didn’t lead to any increase in cases for those that attended other than what would be expected if they hadn’t been there. 

[foxile5]

17 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

My rough mental maths told me that the number of positive cases was in line with what was being found in general at that time 

 

So the events didn’t lead to any increase in cases for those that attended other than what would be expected if they hadn’t been there. 

And is that any real validity? Because density of population is a very significant factor for transmission. 

 

I'm no real data analyst so bow to those with better knowhow. 

[UniFox21]

17 hours ago, The People's Hero said:

Does it concern anyone else that these vaccines are effectively stabs in the dark? They are untested since time has not permitted long-term trials and so we simply don't know the long term effects. You just can't 'cheat' time in that way?

As @rachhere said, the type of vaccines used have been researched on for years, it's just the slight modifications to protect from this virus that haven't been. 

 

But at the same time, we don't know the long term effects of using many things like mobile phones, various medications etc. And things we do know the long term effects for e.g. excessive drinking and smoking, people still regularly use. 

[st albans fox]

24 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

And is that any real validity? Because density of population is a very significant factor for transmission. 

 

I'm no real data analyst so bow to those with better knowhow. 

I think the idea is that those who attended had tested negative 

 

hence if they developed the infection after the event they were still incubating at the event and didn’t transmit it to anyone as they weren’t infectious. 
 

the study would want to see that attending the events made no real difference to whether you developed an infection.  Pretty likely that no one was infected at the events. 

[Soup]

Huge numbers protesting in London right now

[Guest Lcfc82]

34 minutes ago, Soup said:

Huge numbers protesting in London right now

Full respect to all that have attended.

[Soup]

22 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

Full respect to all that have attended.

Apparently more jabbed up folk have joined the demo than ever before. Good to see

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, Soup said:

Apparently more jabbed up folk have joined the demo than ever before. Good to see

Do they have an ‘I’ve been jabbed’ badge ?

 

Incidentally, the family at my youngest’s primary school who are ‘what covid’ and no masks and certainly no jabs have caught it and caused two years in the primary and secondary to be absent for a week. 
 

it’s one thing to have personal choice but here we have kids missing school and no doubt parents missing work because of their freedom of choice. 

Edited 26 June 2021 by st albans fox

[Soup]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Do they have an ‘I’ve been jabbed’ badge ?

Well no as that would be stupid

 

People on the ground are saying this today. 

Edited 26 June 2021 by Soup

[Soup]

A new approach from Singapore maybe?

https://amp.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901

[st albans fox]

12 minutes ago, Soup said:

A new approach from Singapore maybe?

https://amp.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901

It’s where we’re all headed surely?  Interesting to see that they’re looking at our current experience for information …….we are currently the worlds test lab! 

[Soup]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It’s where we’re all headed surely?  Interesting to see that they’re looking at our current experience for information …….we are currently the worlds test lab! 

I'd probably argue it's still not complete freedom but at least they've got a detailed plan and are willing to except that the virus isn't going anywhere. I know we've said similar but we should be shouting it louder.

 

Dropping the daily case figures and focusing on actual sick people needs to happen here now imo

 

 

[Ric Flair]

Let's see how much press coverage there is on this protest. If there's barely any then it's a disgrace. Report the news.

 

Twitter have removed the Matt Hancock pictures and videos when searching for them apparently, seems like the government want to shut this down quick and let him move on to more scandal and pain for the country.

[Soup]

[Guest Lcfc82]

12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Let's see how much press coverage there is on this protest. If there's barely any then it's a disgrace. Report the news.

 

Twitter have removed the Matt Hancock pictures and videos when searching for them apparently, seems like the government want to shut this down quick and let him move on to more scandal and pain for the country.

It will barely get any coverage, the media won’t want people seeing it.

If it was a BLM protest or climate change they would be all over it.

[st albans fox]

24 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Let's see how much press coverage there is on this protest. If there's barely any then it's a disgrace. Report the news.

 

Twitter have removed the Matt Hancock pictures and videos when searching for them apparently, seems like the government want to shut this down quick and let him move on to more scandal and pain for the country.

The govt can’t force Twitter to remove stuff - if there’s a legal reason then that’s different 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

New ‘Lambda’ South American Covid variant discovered in the UK
 

Oh another variant, who’d of thought 

[Guest Lcfc82]

10 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

New ‘Lambda’ South American Covid variant discovered in the UK
 

Oh another variant, who’d of thought 

Didn’t see that coming 

[Nalis]

12 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

New ‘Lambda’ South American Covid variant discovered in the UK
 

Oh another variant, who’d of thought 

Although the Jennifer Lopez / Pitbull version was catchy, I still prefer the original.

[Corky]

57 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

New ‘Lambda’ South American Covid variant discovered in the UK
 

Oh another variant, who’d of thought 

They'll make a song and dance about that.