Coronavirus Thread

[st albans fox]

58 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

How many people did they ask to come up with 70% of the population are in favour of extending restrictions ?

I’ve no idea 

polling is usually done on a sample of around a thousand 

 

if 700 say something then that would be 70%.  But I accept that the content of the question can be skewed by whoever is paying the bill for the survey. 

 

it’s a reasonable sample size and they are supposed to make sure that they use a wide representation of public opinion  - that’s why the companies that carry out these surveys are trusted and can charge a lot for their services ! 
 

actually , you can look for yourself 

 

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/u0a699ssvi/SnapPoll_lockdowndelay_England_June14th.pdf

 

Edited 27 June 2021 by st albans fox

[st albans fox]

9 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Yet they still had time to show a lengthy piece about the collapsed building in Miami?????

I guess it depends on context

 

i read some pieces yesterday about the protest that mentioned there were several anti govt /anti lots of things wrapped up in the march 

 

Perhaps someone made a judgment that it couldn’t be assessed just how big the anti lockdown element was

 

in addition, is an anti lockdown protest actually big news now?  I was under the impression that they’re happening every month if not every other week …..if only ten percent of the adult population are vehemently against the remaining restrictions, that still four to five million. If ten percent of those turn up then that a lot of people walking down Oxford street. 
 

the majority who are content with the current arrangement aren’t going to change their mind if they see protesters on the news …..it’s probably more likely to elicit an even firmer opinion ! 
 

and that building collapse in Miami is, by its very unusual and serious nature, big news …..

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

Some of the Matt Hancock memes that are flying about are absolutely incredible 🤣

[Lcfc82]

49 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I guess it depends on context

 

i read some pieces yesterday about the protest that mentioned there were several anti govt /anti lots of things wrapped up in the march 

 

Perhaps someone made a judgment that it couldn’t be assessed just how big the anti lockdown element was

 

in addition, is an anti lockdown protest actually big news now?  I was under the impression that they’re happening every month if not every other week …..if only ten percent of the adult population are vehemently against the remaining restrictions, that still four to five million. If ten percent of those turn up then that a lot of people walking down Oxford street. 
 

the majority who are content with the current arrangement aren’t going to change their mind if they see protesters on the news …..it’s probably more likely to elicit an even firmer opinion ! 
 

and that building collapse in Miami is, by its very unusual and serious nature, big news …..

To be fair the anti government / anti everything lot turn up at every protest. 

[Izzy]

Help me out here, I still don't understand the 'rules'....

 

My lad was sent home from school on Friday to isolate for 10 days as two of his classmates tested positive.

 

We've just tested him, and he's positive too (he's fine but coughing quite a lot)

 

Does this mean I have to self isolate too? Should I also do a test? I was double vaccinated months ago and feel fine but ovbs been in close contact with my son.

 

What a fvckin pain in the arse all this is...

[StanSP]

5 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Help me out here, I still don't understand the 'rules'....

 

My lad was sent home from school on Friday to isolate for 10 days as two of his classmates tested positive.

 

We've just tested him, and he's positive too (he's fine but coughing quite a lot)

 

Does this mean I have to self isolate too? Should I also do a test? I was double vaccinated months ago and feel fine but ovbs been in close contact with my son.

 

What a fvckin pain in the arse all this is...

Think you got jabbed in the wrong place mate... 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Help me out here, I still don't understand the 'rules'....

 

My lad was sent home from school on Friday to isolate for 10 days as two of his classmates tested positive.

 

We've just tested him, and he's positive too (he's fine but coughing quite a lot)

 

Does this mean I have to self isolate too? Should I also do a test? I was double vaccinated months ago and feel fine but ovbs been in close contact with my son.

 

What a fvckin pain in the arse all this is...

Sorry mate but you do 

 

It’s up to you if you register the positive test and start the whole contact tracing phone calls. He’s got to isolate from school anyway. If I was in your position, I would take an LFT each morning and if it was negative, I would go about my business and be careful about touching stuff and being near people. But the rules don’t currently allow for that common sense approach. 

 

and you don’t need to test yourself as you are ‘theoretically’ isolating but I guess would be interesting to take lateral flow tests to see if you are positive at some point over the next week. 
 

 

[Steve_Walsh5]

23 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Sorry mate but you do 

 

It’s up to you if you register the positive test and start the whole contact tracing phone calls. He’s got to isolate from school anyway. If I was in your position, I would take an LFT each morning and if it was negative, I would go about my business and be careful about touching stuff and being near people. But the rules don’t currently allow for that common sense approach. 

 

and you don’t need to test yourself as you are ‘theoretically’ isolating but I guess would be interesting to take lateral flow tests to see if you are positive at some point over the next week. 
 

 

Be prepared for up to 6 phone calls per day, a couple of hours apart from each other. I had to end up blocking them by the 3rd day. 

[AjcW]

Just another one on how weird the contact tracing app is. I wanted to check the ping I got last night wasn’t a fault (as I’d never checked in anywhere… new app.. new phone) so I deleted the app and cleared all data…. Redownloaded and there’s absolutely nothing on there about isolating anymore… so literally all you have to do if you want to ignore something like that is do those two things  mental. 

[Alf Bentley]

38 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Help me out here, I still don't understand the 'rules'....

 

My lad was sent home from school on Friday to isolate for 10 days as two of his classmates tested positive.

 

We've just tested him, and he's positive too (he's fine but coughing quite a lot)

 

Does this mean I have to self isolate too? Should I also do a test? I was double vaccinated months ago and feel fine but ovbs been in close contact with my son.

 

What a fvckin pain in the arse all this is...

 

This is purely anecdotal, but Andrew Marr was just saying that he was off with Covid last week despite being double vaccinated.

He said that he initially had mild cold symptoms, then became quite unpleasantly unwell but didn't need to go to hospital - then recovered, clearly. Caught it through contacts at the G7, he reckoned.

 

I'm sure you're well aware that, although double vaccination reduces the chances of infection & greatly reduces the chances of serious illness, infection and serious illness are still possible when double vaccinated.

 

Particularly as you've mentioned having a longstanding health issue, I'd err on the side of caution. Look after yourself, anyway, whatever you decide.

[Nalis]

Bluetooth drains the absolute crap out of my battery, I usually only turn it on if I have to qr scan into places then switch it back off. Reason being that if I'm out for anymore than a few hours by battery will die by the second or third place I go meaning I wouldnt be able to check in to those places.

 

I cant be the only one with this issue, obviously makes a lot of this less effective.

 

[pazzerfox]

On 26/06/2021 at 10:31, rachhere said:

Only because it takes that long normally to get the amount of data they need. Because of the prevalence of the virus they were able to get the evidence they needed far quicker. 

It's quite scary though isn't it... the fact that the big pharmaceuticals have covered themselves by being exempt from any blame/come back IF a problem is discovered further down the line with the vaccines. 

[rachhere]

7 minutes ago, pazzerfox said:

It's quite scary though isn't it... the fact that the big pharmaceuticals have covered themselves by being exempt from any blame/come back IF a problem is discovered further down the line with the vaccines. 

I really don't see it that way to be honest, but I worked in clinical trials for a while, so maybe it's more than I am just familiar with the processes?

 

I have never really given a seconds thought to having something like the yellow fever jab though, and I am guessing we have far more evidence now of at least the immediate impacts of the covid vaccines than we have ever had of yellow fever jabs. 

[pazzerfox]

1 minute ago, rachhere said:

I really don't see it that way to be honest, but I worked in clinical trials for a while, so maybe it's more than I am just familiar with the processes?

 

I have never really given a seconds thought to having something like the yellow fever jab though, and I am guessing we have far more evidence now of at least the immediate impacts of the covid vaccines than we have ever had of yellow fever jabs. 

Yes true!  The problem is that I have heard interviews with doctors that have said that the vaccine is safe and some that dismiss it and say that it's unsafe.  I listen to all sources to try and make an informed decision but I do find it strange when people are deleted off of various platforms for having a different view.  What has happened to reasoned debate (like you and I are doing right now)?  The real power seems to lie with the people who doing the censoring so one side of a debate is heard far more than the other.

[Izzy]

1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

This is purely anecdotal, but Andrew Marr was just saying that he was off with Covid last week despite being double vaccinated.

He said that he initially had mild cold symptoms, then became quite unpleasantly unwell but didn't need to go to hospital - then recovered, clearly. Caught it through contacts at the G7, he reckoned.

 

I'm sure you're well aware that, although double vaccination reduces the chances of infection & greatly reduces the chances of serious illness, infection and serious illness are still possible when double vaccinated.

 

Particularly as you've mentioned having a longstanding health issue, I'd err on the side of caution. Look after yourself, anyway, whatever you decide.

Thanks mate, I think you're right. 

 

Just seen the Andrew Marr clip you referred to on the BBC website. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57628287

[Livid]

1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

This is purely anecdotal, but Andrew Marr was just saying that he was off with Covid last week despite being double vaccinated.

He said that he initially had mild cold symptoms, then became quite unpleasantly unwell but didn't need to go to hospital - then recovered, clearly. Caught it through contacts at the G7, he reckoned.

 

I'm sure you're well aware that, although double vaccination reduces the chances of infection & greatly reduces the chances of serious illness, infection and serious illness are still possible when double vaccinated.

 

Particularly as you've mentioned having a longstanding health issue, I'd err on the side of caution. Look after yourself, anyway, whatever you decide.

I know of two people who have both caught Covid after both vaccinations, thankfully neither  were seriously unwell with it. 
 

The green light next month is not going to be the total all clear some people think. Covid is incredibly contagious, no one wants to get ill from this at all. 
 

I doubt we’re not going back to the days of ‘Oh it’s only a sniffle I’ll just go into the work and work through it’.  
 

The England A game cancelled today at the  Tigers due to Covid cases in the Scotland squad. One of the band members at a gig you’re going to comes down with it and the gig is off, let’s face it they’re going to be performing in front of thousands chances of them picking it up somewhere at the minute have got to be quite high. 
 

We’re on our way back to normal, and yes I’ve had enough it as much as anyone,  but I don’t think even close to where we were two years ago. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Bluetooth drains the absolute crap out of my battery, I usually only turn it on if I have to qr scan into places then switch it back off. Reason being that if I'm out for anymore than a few hours by battery will die by the second or third place I go meaning I wouldnt be able to check in to those places.

 

I cant be the only one with this issue, obviously makes a lot of this less effective.

 

The app is useless, my mate had to self isolate and he hadn't left the house for ages. Turns out it was the neighbour who had COVID and the app had buzzed because they came close together (whilst in their own houses respectively).

 

You don't need the app either btw, they have to give you a pen and paper if you don't, or they have done in everywhere I've been anyway. All I see atm is this app telling perfectly healthy people to self isolate, ruining their social lives, holidays, weekends etc. Whilst also costing them money in lost wages and things they've booked. As someone else said, do LFTs and if they're negative, crack on.

[st albans fox]

I’m intrigued by the idea that idea we just get used to catching this and allow it to circulate as it wants to - because it won’t make us particularly ill 

 

before I make my point, I am 100% for getting back to where we used to be and that has to mean living with the virus BUT

 

we don’t know how post vaccination  contraction of covid is likely to affect us compared with pre vaccinated 

 

in my household we are fifteen months on from having it 

 

My wife is not the same person she was - nowhere near as sharp of mind, forever asking questions that she’s already asked (sometimes within the past hour). And physically not nearly as active with waves of fatigue which are completely unpredictable 

 

I’m lacking physically - climbing staircases is quite tough when it never was. My sense of smell isn’t nearly as sharp as it was.  

 

are we suffering from long covid or just being a year older?   No one knows 

 

my eldest son still with parosmia which a specialist tells him may never get better 

 

until we get some data on how vaccinated people are suffering with any post covid side effects , we are running fairly large risks if we just allow the cases to ‘run riot’.  

again, this just emphasises the crassness of govt in allowing the delta variant to come in so easily - removal of restrictions with the background of a largely vaccinated population and low cases of spreading virus would be ideal. And it was within our grasp after the sacrifices we’d all made jan thru April and the vaccination program success

 

 

 

 

Edited 27 June 2021 by st albans fox

[rachhere]

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I’m intrigued by the idea that idea we just get used to catching this and allow it to circulate as it wants to - because it won’t make us particularly ill 

 

before I make my point, I am 100% for getting back to where we used to be and that has to mean living with the virus BUT

 

we don’t know how post vaccination  contraction of covid is likely to affect us compared with pre vaccinated 

 

in my household we are fifteen months on from having it 

 

My wife is not the same person she was - nowhere near as sharp of mind, forever asking questions that she’s already asked (sometimes within the past hour). And physically not nearly as active with waves of fatigue which are completely unpredictable 

 

I’m lacking physically - climbing staircases is quite tough when it never was. My sense of smell isn’t nearly as sharp as it was.  

 

are we suffering from long covid or just being a year older?   No one knows 

 

my eldest son still with parosmia which a specialist tells him may never get better 

 

until we get some data on how vaccinated people are suffering with any post covid side effects , we are running fairly large risks if we just allow the cases to ‘run riot’.  

again, this just emphasises the crassness of govt in allowing the delta variant to come in so easily - removal of restrictions with the background of a largely vaccinated population and low cases of spreading virus would be ideal. And it was within our grasp after the sacrifices we’d all made jan thru April and the vaccination program success

 

 

 

 

100% this. Sorry to hear you are still struggling. 

[st albans fox]

19 minutes ago, rachhere said:

100% this. Sorry to hear you are still struggling. 

Fact is that we aren’t struggling when compared to millions of people who have lost a v close family member 

 

and our stuff is nothing in comparison to some who have terrible covid pvs 

 

im just musing about something I’ve not really seen debated ……

 

 

 

 

[moore_94]

Just about used to being back in the office for work and my mum and sister who I live with have had a notification to self isolate for 5 days after coming home from a holiday at Butlins

 

FFS

[Soup]

5 hours ago, pazzerfox said:

It's quite scary though isn't it... the fact that the big pharmaceuticals have covered themselves by being exempt from any blame/come back IF a problem is discovered further down the line with the vaccines. 

I think they've looked at what happened with the J&J opioid scandal and thought balls to that. I think it was 7 billion they were sued for. 

[Duquesne Whistle]

5 hours ago, pazzerfox said:

Yes true!  The problem is that I have heard interviews with doctors that have said that the vaccine is safe and some that dismiss it and say that it's unsafe.  I listen to all sources to try and make an informed decision but I do find it strange when people are deleted off of various platforms for having a different view.  What has happened to reasoned debate (like you and I are doing right now)?  The real power seems to lie with the people who doing the censoring so one side of a debate is heard far more than the other.

If you're looking for reasoned debate, or indeed any debate at all, the new GB News channel on freeview at least raise and discuss both sides of arguments. You have to pick the programmes and presenters to suit your own taste and requirement, but they appear to be a far more reliable source of news after a few weeks broadcasting, than the likes of BBC, ITV, C4 and Sky UK news.

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

 

[pazzerfox]

38 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

If you're looking for reasoned debate, or indeed any debate at all, the new GB News channel on freeview at least raise and discuss both sides of arguments. You have to pick the programmes and presenters to suit your own taste and requirement, but they appear to be a far more reliable source of news after a few weeks broadcasting, than the likes of BBC, ITV, C4 and Sky UK news.

 

Thanks for that, i'll take a look.