ozleicester Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 While i was boring the delightful Mrs Oz to death during saturday's match. I talked about what a disappointment Youri has been this year... she casually said... "Yeh, you say that about all of your big signings" So i had a look and..... 19/20 - Youri and Perez... both below the standard i hoped for 18/19 - Maddison and Ricardo... very happy with both of those signings 17/18 - Kelechi and Silva .... neither has (yet in KI's case) lived up to hopes. 16/17 - Slimani and Musa ... neither lived up to expectations. Are my expectations too high... or are we failing to buy well? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post st albans fox Posted 25 June 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 25 June 2020 8 minutes ago, ozleicester said: While i was boring the delightful Mrs Oz to death during saturday's match. I talked about what a disappointment Youri has been this year... she casually said... "Yeh, you say that about all of your big signings" So i had a look and..... 19/20 - Youri and Perez... both below the standard i hoped for 18/19 - Maddison and Ricardo... very happy with both of those signings 17/18 - Kelechi and Silva .... neither has (yet in KI's case) lived up to hopes. 16/17 - Slimani and Musa ... neither lived up to expectations. Are my expectations too high... or are we failing to buy well? I think you’re being unfair on both YT and Perez - neither are playing a role/position that they would prefer ...... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 11 minutes ago, ozleicester said: While i was boring the delightful Mrs Oz to death during saturday's match. I talked about what a disappointment Youri has been this year... she casually said... "Yeh, you say that about all of your big signings" So i had a look and..... 19/20 - Youri and Perez... both below the standard i hoped for 18/19 - Maddison and Ricardo... very happy with both of those signings 17/18 - Kelechi and Silva .... neither has (yet in KI's case) lived up to hopes. 16/17 - Slimani and Musa ... neither lived up to expectations. Are my expectations too high... or are we failing to buy well? The trajectory with regards to signings seems to be improving though (Ah...18/19, a fine vintage) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 25 June 2020 Author Share Posted 25 June 2020 4 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I think you’re being unfair on both YT and Perez - neither are playing a role/position that they would prefer ...... You are right, so who do we sell to put players where they want to be? We had six months with Youri...and then we seem not to know what to do with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 This is the guy we desperately need in the middle of the park - could this be Youri with his passing range and his leadership skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) We're top four in the league, Perez and Tielemans played a massive, massive part in carrying us there. If you don't see their value in our early season form or if you're somehow blaming our slump on them then you just don't actually understand the game. Edited 25 June 2020 by Finnegan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 25 June 2020 Author Share Posted 25 June 2020 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: We're top four in the league, Perez and Tielemans played a massive, massive part in carrying us there. If you don't see their value in our early season form or if you're somehow blaming our slump on them then you just don't actually understand the game. Are they playing at the level you had hoped for pre season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post goose2010 Posted 25 June 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 25 June 2020 4 minutes ago, ozleicester said: Are they playing at the level you had hoped for pre season? If you take the season as a whole they are playing better than I would had hoped for. Top 4, League cup semi and still in the FA cup. It's our second best season in our history. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 I'd still like the see Perez off Vardy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam1 Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 I think Youri has looked a little of the pace this season. Fitness perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ozleicester said: Are they playing at the level you had hoped for pre season? Let's be clear, currently nobody is playing at the level I hoped for pre season. But if you look at the season as a whole I'd say Perez certainly defied expectation. He fit very, very smartly in to our passing system. Pereira is the one that draws all the plaudits down that right hand side but he's enabled by the triangle he fits in with Ayoze and YT. It's not a coincidence that we stopped winning games and started struggling when we dismantled that. People have this idea of creativity in football being about one player slotting in super through balls all over the park. It's daft, there's a reason individual assist figures are nearly always lower than goal scoring ones, it's because creativity is the job of the whole team. When the shape and system are good, the team is good. YT is a huge part in giving us that and he does it well. I'd say he's met my expectations, yeah, especially given how he'd struggled hugely at Monaco. People got worked up expecting him to come in and perform like a 25 year old Toni Kroos. It was dumb. Yes, he was in better form during his loan spell but players have peaks and troughs. He was never going to sustain that just as Vardy isn't always going to score in 11 straight games. Buuuut, for what it's worth I do understand the temptation to get mega excited for new signings. Edited 25 June 2020 by Finnegan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 25 June 2020 Author Share Posted 25 June 2020 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: Let's be clear, currently nobody is playing at the level I hoped for pre season. But if you look at the season as a whole I'd say Perez certainly defied expectation. He fit very, very smartly in to our passing system. Pereira is the one that draws all the plaudits down that right hand side but he's enabled the triangle he fits in with Ayoze and YT. It's not a coincidence that we stopped winning games and started struggling when we dismantled that. People have this idea of creativity in football being about one player slotting in super through balls all over the park. It's daft, there's a reason individual assist figures are nearly always lower than goal scoring ones, it's because creativity is the job of the whole team. When the shape and system are good, the team is good. YT is a huge part in giving us that and he does it well. I'd say he's met my expectations, yeah, especially given how he'd struggled hugely at Monaco. People got worked up expecting him to come in and perform like a 25 year old Toni Kroos. It was dumb. Yes, he was in better form during his loan spell but players have peaks abs troughs. He was never going to sustain that just as Vardy isn't always going to score in 11 straight games. Ill agree on Perez. Youri, i disagree, he is below the level he demonstrated in the loan period and well beloew what he is capable of... i think that BR's positioning and tactics play a part, but ill stand by the fact that he is sub par ... a quick look at our ratings pages shows an average of 5.5 for YT over the past 8 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 25 June 2020 Author Share Posted 25 June 2020 8 minutes ago, goose2010 said: If you take the season as a whole they are playing better than I would had hoped for. Top 4, League cup semi and still in the FA cup. It's our second best season in our history. As a team.. I agree. My point was however that i think in the main, our big name signings have been a disapontment in the past few seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 There was once a time that big signing was Matt Mills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 25 June 2020 Author Share Posted 25 June 2020 Just now, Aus Fox said: There was once a time that big signing was Matt Mills... and... "Only the weak feel pressure" - Beckford. Both of whom were disappointing "big" signings... so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 Really liked our 19/20 window! James Justin - Cheap buy for someone with great potential Youri - Ok he hasn’t hit the heights of 18/19. But has anyone noticed he’s playing a bit deeper recently and Madders in more of a 10 role? Youri is at his best when he’s in the final third hitting through balls. He needs to be playing further up the pitch. Still young and will improve. Praet - One of the best all round midfielders we’ve had since Drinkwater in 15/16. Perez - I think people are a bit harsh on Ayoze. Long term I can see him being an important squad player for us capable of covering RW/ST/CAM. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: I think you’re being unfair on both YT and Perez - neither are playing a role/position that they would prefer ...... You're making excuses for them. They get the high wages to perform on the football pitch. I don't think either have been bad but neither have performed at a level indicating they were worth such a high fee or such high wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The whole world smiles Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ozleicester said: While i was boring the delightful Mrs Oz to death during saturday's match. I talked about what a disappointment Youri has been this year... she casually said... "Yeh, you say that about all of your big signings" So i had a look and..... 19/20 - Youri and Perez... both below the standard i hoped for 18/19 - Maddison and Ricardo... very happy with both of those signings 17/18 - Kelechi and Silva .... neither has (yet in KI's case) lived up to hopes. 16/17 - Slimani and Musa ... neither lived up to expectations. Are my expectations too high... or are we failing to buy well? Conveniently missing Ndidi, Evans, Maguire and soyuncu. Edited 25 June 2020 by The whole world smiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 51 minutes ago, ozleicester said: and... "Only the weak feel pressure" - Beckford. Both of whom were disappointing "big" signings... so I was happy when we signed Beckford. He was very dissapointing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxin_Mad Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 Most the decent players we currently have were signed by Claude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 1 hour ago, ozleicester said: Are they playing at the level you had hoped for pre season? With Perez, I'd say he's doing about as well as expected. Tielemans has definitely been a bit of a disappointment in that he was our best player when he came on loan and this season he's not even Top 5. He absolutely can turn things around though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 26 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said: Conveniently missing Ndidi, Evans, Maguire and soyuncu. ...non of those were big money signings!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 25 June 2020 Author Share Posted 25 June 2020 31 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said: Conveniently missing Ndidi, Evans, Maguire and soyuncu. I was talking about the 2 biggest ($$) signings in those seasons. Ii doubt anyone would be disappointed in the players youve mentioned. I would suggest they have exceeded expectations.Unlike the biggest signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The whole world smiles Posted 25 June 2020 Share Posted 25 June 2020 3 minutes ago, ozleicester said: I was talking about the 2 biggest ($$) signings in those seasons. Ii doubt anyone would be disappointed in the players youve mentioned. I would suggest they have exceeded expectations.Unlike the biggest signings 11 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...non of those were big money signings!!! Maguire was the most we ever spent on a defender. Ndidi the most we ever spent on a midfielder. Evans had a relegation clause so didn't have to be big money but WBA had turned down 20 million for him in a previous window. Soyuncu was (and still is) our most expensive centre back ever at 19 million and depending on which report you read very similar to Ricardo in price. I guess "big money" is subjective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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