Premier League 2020/21 Thread

[Ric Flair]

Its amusing that the press report that Spurs and Southampton have been top this season, in some reference to them having been on a par with us yet we have returned to the top hours/days later when we play our games. Irks me, fair enough if they remain top after we play our games but until then don't even acknowledge the cuurnts.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

If the ref goes to look at the screen it's almost certain he's going to change his mind. The VAR ref obviously has doubt else he would agree with decision. We thought them looking at the screen would be better, but the VAR ref is still influencing the refs decision. 

This is another consequence of changing the rules in respect of asking the refs to view the screen. Last season, the var would not consider that there was enough doubt last night to overturn so would leave the on field call. But now they can bring their subjective view of events into play by asking the ref to look himself. This is not what var is about. It is not supposed to re ref the game and on field subjective ‘uncertain’ calls are supposed to be left to stand - only 100% incorrect calls are supposed to be overturned - it’s significant that the English game is incapable of using it properly - Mike Riley really needs to go .....

[StanSP]

I heard on MOTD in the Spurs game following the handball decision for Laporte's disallowed goal that there was a time limit after a handball leading to a goal where it won't be taken in to account. Commentator said it was a change brought in - anyone know what the time limit is? 

[ozleicester]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I heard on MOTD in the Spurs game following the handball decision for Laporte's disallowed goal that there was a time limit after a handball leading to a goal where it won't be taken in to account. Commentator said it was a change brought in - anyone know what the time limit is? 

Depends which club is being affected

 

[Hollyfox]

It was strange to see Jack Grealish 'helping' a Brighton player back on to his feet yesterday after he was struck by a villa player(was making a meal of it) 

Then Trezuguet (spelling) rolled around in agony for ages after being slightly touched for villa's non penalty,  Jack did nothing to assist him. 

 

Is all well in the villa dressing room? 😄

[The Bear]

I'd like to see penalties changed so that as soon as the ref blows his whistle both taker and GK can move however they like. That would force the abandoning of long or stuttering run ups because the GK would have closed them down by then. It'd also make penalties a bit more challenging and less of a gimme as there'd be very little run up by necessity. 

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, Hollyfox said:

It was strange to see Jack Grealish 'helping' a Brighton player back on to his feet yesterday after he was struck by a villa player(was making a meal of it) 

Then Trezuguet (spelling) rolled around in agony for ages after being slightly touched for villa's non penalty,  Jack did nothing to assist him. 

 

Is all well in the villa dressing room? 😄

He  was getting the bha player to his feet cos villa were chasing an equaliser....... 

[jayfox26]

22 minutes ago, The Bear said:

I'd like to see penalties changed so that as soon as the ref blows his whistle both taker and GK can move however they like. That would force the abandoning of long or stuttering run ups because the GK would have closed them down by then. It'd also make penalties a bit more challenging and less of a gimme as there'd be very little run up by necessity. 

This would be class. Can just imagine the ref putting  the whistle to his lips and the pen taker and keeper just run towards the ball 😂

[st albans fox]

25 minutes ago, The Bear said:

I'd like to see penalties changed so that as soon as the ref blows his whistle both taker and GK can move however they like. That would force the abandoning of long or stuttering run ups because the GK would have closed them down by then. It'd also make penalties a bit more challenging and less of a gimme as there'd be very little run up by necessity. 

Not sure you’ve quite thought that through .......

[lcfc81]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Never understood the keeper thing anyway because they're bound to jump forward due to momentum. How difficult would be just to jump left/right without moving forwards? 

 

Absolute corrupt decisions anyway. The whole "respect the ref" is nonsense when they don't do the same.

 

Agree about the taker though. Shouldn't be allowed to do fancy things in the run up.

I think once the whistle goes it should be a free for all with the penalty taker and attacker. Keep the rule where the taker can only touch the ball once before someone else but the rest is open. Keeper can sprint off their line, penalty taker can stutter, even pass to the side for.someone else.if.they wish. Certainly would make it a bit more interesting (however not as clear a punishment as previously perhaps!). 

[lcfc81]

Just now, lcfc81 said:

I think once the whistle goes it should be a free for all with the penalty taker and attacker. Keep the rule where the taker can only touch the ball once before someone else but the rest is open. Keeper can sprint off their line, penalty taker can stutter, even pass to the side for.someone else.if.they wish. Certainly would make it a bit more interesting (however not as clear a punishment as previously perhaps!). 

Ignore, I have just seen the bears response above. 🙂

[davieG]

55 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I heard on MOTD in the Spurs game following the handball decision for Laporte's disallowed goal that there was a time limit after a handball leading to a goal where it won't be taken in to account. Commentator said it was a change brought in - anyone know what the time limit is? 

 

I found this yesterday

 

But it is not a handball offence if after an accidental handball the ball travels some distance via a pass or a dribble, or there are several passes before the goal or goalscoring opportunity.

 

The ball traveled to Laporte via a pass but obviously not a long enough distance, whatever that distance is defined as who knows? Another subjective introduction perhaps?

[davieG]

4 minutes ago, lcfc81 said:

I think once the whistle goes it should be a free for all with the penalty taker and attacker. Keep the rule where the taker can only touch the ball once before someone else but the rest is open. Keeper can sprint off their line, penalty taker can stutter, even pass to the side for.someone else.if.they wish. Certainly would make it a bit more interesting (however not as clear a punishment as previously perhaps!). 

What about Penalty shootouts where the rest of the team are in the centre circle?

[lcfc81]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

What about Penalty shootouts where the rest of the team are in the centre circle?

Good point. I didn't really think it through. 😆

[Facecloth]

In Dean Smith's interview he said that if VAR thought it wasn't a pen, they should have just told the ref that and overruled it rather than ask him to check the monitor. I can guarantee that had they done that, Dean Smith would be asking why the ref hadn't gone to the monitor to check himself.

Edited 22 November 2020 by Facecloth

[Hollyfox]

13 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

He  was getting the bha player to his feet cos villa were chasing an equaliser....... 

I haven't got a problem with that but his fellow teammates reaction was feckin embarrassing. 

 

Lamela's theatrics at old Trafford was a prime example of players being absolute &@+%s

 

If it's a free kick, then it's a free kick 

If it's a penalty , then it's a penalty. 

If they're hurt, then they're hurt. 

Rolling around playacting should be stopped. 

 

A massive and totally embarrassing aspect of the modern game which VAR should be nailing. 

 

I don't particularly like rugby that much but some of their comments regarding footballers is embarrassingly true. 

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, Hollyfox said:

I haven't got a problem with that but his fellow teammates reaction was feckin embarrassing. 

 

Lamela's theatrics at old Trafford was a prime example of players being absolute &@+%s

 

If it's a free kick, then it's a free kick 

If it's a penalty , then it's a penalty. 

If they're hurt, then they're hurt. 

Rolling around playacting should be stopped. 

 

A massive and totally embarrassing aspect of the modern game which VAR should be nailing. 

 

I don't particularly like rugby that much but some of their comments regarding footballers is embarrassingly true. 

If I was a ref I would start issuing yellow cards if I thought a player was ‘acting’ ...... they can’t be rescinded and it would stop a few of them 

[Guest Fktf]

57 minutes ago, The Bear said:

I'd like to see penalties changed so that as soon as the ref blows his whistle both taker and GK can move however they like. That would force the abandoning of long or stuttering run ups because the GK would have closed them down by then. It'd also make penalties a bit more challenging and less of a gimme as there'd be very little run up by necessity. 

You want to see less goals? If pens were not a gimme, defenders will just start tripping forwards as soon as it looks like they're about to shoot

[Nalis]

1 hour ago, SheppyFox said:

Sky Sports says: Tottenham making a statement and could go on to win the league because of a 2-0 win over Manchester City.
 

Well we beat them 5-2. Same big club bias, it’s the same with Liverpool’s injuries, like we’ve had none.

Yeah the rhetoric seems to be that ours was a freak, one off whereas the Spurs win is a statement of intent??

 

Not denying its a decent win for Spurs but its funny how things are reported and interpretated.

[twister]

3 hours ago, gw_leics772 said:

Hope this sentiment works against Rodgers as well keeping him out of the elite list of managers and with us for many years. 

 

Or is it just the big boys having a ready made excuse for when we win it again. Conspiracy theory? 

 

Or could it be that we are now one of the big boys and the puppet masters knew before we did? 

 

Liverpool sites have certainly picked up on how many penalties we've had and taken the logical conclusion that if they had had that many penalties, they would have won the league already. Obviously they understand that the penalties are predetermined and not at all indicative of performance. 

 

Have we swapped places with Liverpool and those plucky little underdogs need to slink back into oblivion so we can take back our rightful place? 😱🤣

42 pens in united last 59  games. come on mate have a serious look.

[turtmcfly]

41 minutes ago, twister said:

42 pens in united last 59  games. come on mate have a serious look.

 

Apropos of nothing, but it would seem instead of my much desired wish that the 5G truther inadequates sod off and stroke each other in their own infantile 'it's a fix' thread, this one will be left at their mercy. Unless they start to bring eggs into it.

 

Back on topic... I had a serious look at penalties awarded this season;

 

 

#	Club		Penalties received	Scored	Missed	Goal rate
1		Leicester City	8	7	1	87.5 %
2		Manchester United	4	3	1	75.0 %
3		Chelsea FC	4	3	1	75.0 %
4		Liverpool FC	4	4	0	100.0 %
5		Fulham FC	3	1	2	33.3 %
6		Sheffield United	3	2	1	66.7 %
7		Newcastle United	3	3	0	100.0 %
8		Manchester City	2	1	1	50.0 %
9		Crystal Palace	2	2	0	100.0 %
10		Brighton & Hove Albion	2	2	0	100.0 %
11		Tottenham Hotspur	2	2	0	100.0 %
12		Aston Villa	1	1	0	100.0 %
13		Leeds United	1	1	0	100.0 %
14		Arsenal FC	1	1	0	100.0 %
15		Everton FC	1	1	0	100.0 %
16		Southampton FC

 

 

 

 

[twister]

8 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

 

Apropos of nothing, but it would seem instead of my much desired wish that the 5G truther inadequates sod off and stroke each other in their own infantile 'it's a fix' thread, this one will be left at their mercy. Unless they start to bring eggs into it.

 

Back on topic... I had a serious look at penalties awarded this season;

 

 

#	Club		Penalties received	Scored	Missed	Goal rate
1		Leicester City	8	7	1	87.5 %
2		Manchester United	4	3	1	75.0 %
3		Chelsea FC	4	3	1	75.0 %
4		Liverpool FC	4	4	0	100.0 %
5		Fulham FC	3	1	2	33.3 %
6		Sheffield United	3	2	1	66.7 %
7		Newcastle United	3	3	0	100.0 %
8		Manchester City	2	1	1	50.0 %
9		Crystal Palace	2	2	0	100.0 %
10		Brighton & Hove Albion	2	2	0	100.0 %
11		Tottenham Hotspur	2	2	0	100.0 %
12		Aston Villa	1	1	0	100.0 %
13		Leeds United	1	1	0	100.0 %
14		Arsenal FC	1	1	0	100.0 %
15		Everton FC	1	1	0	100.0 %
16		Southampton FC

 

 

 

 

accept take away the first pen last week, and  Leicester pens were  all pens.

 

I think your seriously naive mate if you don't think the big 6 don't get  a lot in their favour.

 

in 2005 you would have said'' oh don't be a cynic about juventus or inter before the referee scandal ''.

 

keep your head in the sand. I see truths.

[twister]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2036381/Graham-Poll-Do-referees-favour-big-clubs-Yes-dont-know-theyre-doing-it.html

[turtmcfly]

5 minutes ago, twister said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2036381/Graham-Poll-Do-referees-favour-big-clubs-Yes-dont-know-theyre-doing-it.html

 

Is this the bit where I have to point out that unconscious bias is really not the same as match fixing?

 

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

 

Is this the bit where I have to point out that unconscious bias is really not the same as match fixing?

 

Not for those without chips ......

 

are we growing to a point where are benefiting from that unconscious bias (or soon will be) ??