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Yeah we do most things right but do still get wrong in occasion such as the OTT mourning of the previous Thai king or the £70 for season ticket holders as mentioned already

 

The PPV vote was great but its hardly like we're the second coming of St Pauli or something.

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5 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Aye no mention of that £70 what looks a ****ing waste of money. 
 

We are better than most - but tad sour given the summer profiteering. 

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5 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

The club doesn't get 100% of it's decisions right but I do think a lot of Leicester fans don't appreciate how good we have it.

Abso-bloody-exactly. The club has made many mistakes over the years, from Dan relations to transfer disasters. But they always - always - learn from their mistakes. 

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I guess the point is good or bad we're still envied by plenty of fans of many other clubs.

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50 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Aye no mention of that £70 what looks a ****ing waste of money. 
 

We are better than most - but tad sour given the summer profiteering. 

I don't disagree but it's easy to say in hindsight it was the wrong thing to do. If the current COVID situation had changed it may have looked like a decent option, whether you agreed with it or not (I didn't for example so didn't pay the £70).

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Personally, I think Top is warm character and gives a shit about fans but a lot of the other higher ups are quite corporate and typical of modern football club decision makers. We've got a weird track record with our anti-establishment behaviour, obviously we won the league, voted against PPV but voted in favour of the top 6 gaining a higher share of foreign TV rights revenue but we've had the £70 debacle and regular total misunderstanding of fans at FCC meetings. We're one of the best in English football but it says a lot more about the other clubs.

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39 minutes ago, TRAD-DAD said:

The benchmark is easy. look at where we were before the present owners took over and people still moan about £70. :dunno:

Ugh. Why should I have to accept LCFC (note I'm not saying "the owners") attempting to rob me of what at the time was going to be a non-refundable £70 fee just because we're not playing fvcking Hartlepool or Southend in the league anymore? The two things are completely incomparable.

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1 hour ago, Stadt said:

but voted in favour of the top 6 gaining a higher share of foreign TV rights revenue

As the club said in last year's financial accounts, as long as we finish in the top half it benefits us too. I know that's in raw financial figures and it may actually widen the real gap to the top six but it made sense for them to back that.

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5 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I thought this 70 quid comes of next years season ticket? Or of any games we go to if fans are allowed back at some point? 

Yes, but they only amended that after fans pressured them into change. Initially it was going to be non-refundable if we couldn't attend any this season.

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2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Aye no mention of that £70 what looks a ****ing waste of money. 
 

We are better than most - but tad sour given the summer profiteering. 

Even stil,l this was a lot better and far more practical than some other clubs...

 

West Ham you had to pay for your season ticket in full or your seat would go into a ballot

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1 hour ago, TRAD-DAD said:

The benchmark is easy. look at where we were before the present owners took over and people still moan about £70. :dunno:

Between the first and second divisions.

 

People talk as if we were a fourth tier club before the owners come in.

 

Also, having an owner backing doesn't guarantee success. Ask clubs in the football league. Best thing the owners did was get Pearson back. He, his staff and the players got us up/in this position.

 

Also if people didn't moan then we wouldn't get anywhere. The £70 wasn't refundable, people moaned, now it is refundable. PPV has been scrapped because enough people boycotted it. People actually doing things does work. However, if you're perfectly happy paying over the odds then do carry on.

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6 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Between the first and second divisions.

 

People talk as if we were a fourth tier club before the owners come in.

 

Also if people didn't moan then we wouldn't get anywhere. The £70 wasn't refundable, people moaned, now it is refundable. PPV has been scrapped because enough people boycotted it. People actually doing things does work. However, if you're perfectly happy paying over the odds then do carry on.

There's no such thing as the first-and-a-half division.

 

We were in the Championship and just because we were promotion contenders when they took over does not mean our success was already guaranteed. Forest and Derby have been Championship promotion contenders themselves for well over a decade now.

 

As has been mentioned, the bar for football ownership is pathetically low and so we do have it a lot better than almost everyone outside of Germany in that regard. You are absolutely right that we shouldn't let them rest on their laurels so long as we all maintain a bit of perspective.

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3 minutes ago, squarez said:

There's no such thing as the first-and-a-half division.

 

We were in the Championship and just because we were promotion contenders when they took over does not mean our success was already guaranteed. Forest and Derby have been Championship promotion contenders themselves for well over a decade now.

 

As has been mentioned, the bar for football ownership is pathetically low and so we do have it a lot better than almost everyone outside of Germany in that regard. You are absolutely right that we shouldn't let them rest on their laurels so long as we all maintain a bit of perspective.

I know, I have edited before you quoted. Money doesn't guarantee success, completely right. That's why they threw money at Sousa and Sven and it didn't work. With money you still need the right manager and that's what Pearson was. Without him we wouldn't be in the position we are now and even Kasper came out and said this when he was on the Peter Crouch podcast.

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2 hours ago, Houdini Logic said:

Even stil,l this was a lot better and far more practical than some other clubs...

 

West Ham you had to pay for your season ticket in full or your seat would go into a ballot

Yes and there are examples of clubs who did at no expense, Manchester City and Burnley 

 

My point is that Leicester City is not a 'fans club'. The hierarchy at the club treat fans to a number of gifts. They made a good ethical decision on the PPV. They have continued to donate great sums of money to the city and charities. 

 

But to be a 'fans club', I'd expect that fans would have the opportunity or be represented at board level. Of course I wouldn't expect them to make football decisions but consultation when it comes to new shirts, campaign ideas, ticket prices. 

 

The line in the article suggests it here:- 

 

Finally, Carmichael suggests improvements which come as a continuation of what is already being done: potentially offering deals on shirts around Christmas and eventually building on the consultancy that is already done to reach the point where supporters can have an active say in measures taken.

 

Do we have good owners? Yes, brilliant (particularly their civic support which is absolutely bonkers really)

Are we a fans club? No. 

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Every business and people in general makes mistakes.

 

For me it not the mistakes you make but how you go about learning from them and fixing them. 

 

Are we a fans club, what does that even means and who defines it.

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Yes and there are examples of clubs who did at no expense, Manchester City and Burnley 

 

My point is that Leicester City is not a 'fans club'. The hierarchy at the club treat fans to a number of gifts. They made a good ethical decision on the PPV. They have continued to donate great sums of money to the city and charities. 

 

But to be a 'fans club', I'd expect that fans would have the opportunity or be represented at board level. Of course I wouldn't expect them to make football decisions but consultation when it comes to new shirts, campaign ideas, ticket prices. 

 

The line in the article suggests it here:- 

 

Finally, Carmichael suggests improvements which come as a continuation of what is already being done: potentially offering deals on shirts around Christmas and eventually building on the consultancy that is already done to reach the point where supporters can have an active say in measures taken.

 

Do we have good owners? Yes, brilliant (particularly their civic support which is absolutely bonkers really)

Are we a fans club? No. 

All in good time mate! If it's going to happen its more likely to be us than any other club so long as we continue to be successful. While I don't see LCFC becoming a Barca in that respect allowing fans a small owners share in the club could be healthy thing for owners and fans. For now let us enjoy this ride to the top we are on. 

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Our owners need to be business savvy and look after the financial interests of the club. They would win no admirers by making profligate decisions and being wasteful of resources. We have to compete with a number of clubs with greater revenue generating capabilities than us. We manage to do this and the owners have also been on the fans’ side in the recent PPV and ‘Big Picture’ debates. We are incredibly lucky to have them and I hope they continue to run the club commercially and ethically. Asking for fan involvement is a recipe for big gestures that have grave financial consequences. If we want to continue punching above our weight we need to continue as we are. 
 

The club has a fantastic connection to the fan base and you feel it in every pre-match pub and at every game. From the players, to the staff, to the fans to the owners there is a real commonality of direction. Is it perfect? No - perfection doesn’t exist, but far the past few years we’ve been right up there with the best clubs about.

 

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3 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

Ugh. Why should I have to accept LCFC (note I'm not saying "the owners") attempting to rob me of what at the time was going to be a non-refundable £70 fee just because we're not playing fvcking Hartlepool or Southend in the league anymore? The two things are completely incomparable.

It comes off of next season's ticket and guarantees you keep your seat.

 

Hardly being "robbed".

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2 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

Yes, but they only amended that after fans pressured them into change. Initially it was going to be non-refundable if we couldn't attend any this season.

So what's the problem?

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9 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

It comes off of next season's ticket and guarantees you keep your seat.

 

Hardly being "robbed".

Tbf man he did say "at the time" which is right because before people complained the terms did clearly state "non-refundable" which was a joke.

 

However they did (correctly) change this so fair play.

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