UEFA European U21 Championship

[shen]

On 28/03/2021 at 10:31, Sly said:

3 red cards in the final minutes of the Spain / Italy game. That was the only highlight, as the game finished 0-0.

Didn't Italy get two sent off in their first game as well? Quite ill-disciplined bunch.

[Super_horns]

Well if we aren't likely to ever win why bother entering?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56583091

 

 

 

[Sly]

8 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Well if we aren't likely to ever win why bother entering?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56583091

 

 

 

I’ve just read this. 
 

What a silly outlook. Surely winning breeds a winning mentality. That’s a deflection tactic for a poor job. 

[Dan]

**** me, England are somehow going through with 3 points  

[Soar Fox]

Great goal. 

[Super_horns]

18 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

**** me, England are somehow going through with 3 points  

Going all the way ..

 

Face Spain in the 1/4 finals as it stands.

 

EDIT: Not now.

Edited 31 March 2021 by Super_horns

[AS78UK]

There is still time to mess it up...and guess what they look like they did.  

[Dan]

What is it with us and Croatia?

[Dan]

That is surely the end of Boothroyd now. The worst thing about England isn't just we appoint garbage but we stick with it for ages as well. Unbelievable that he kept his job after the last Euros let alone got another crack.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Well deserved, get that dinosaur out of the job. They'll probably reward him with a contract extension though, lets be honest.

 

Feel sorry for the young lads, but they haven't covered themselves in glory have they?

[Samilktray]

Is Ramsdale the best keeper we have in that age group?

[Guest ttfn]

Boothroyd is obviously largely to blame but am I the only one looking at that under 21 side and thinking it’s not that special?

 

3 of the 4 defenders have virtually no top flight experience and the goalkeeper has been one of the worst in the Premier League this season.

 

The squad has 4 players playing semi-regularly for a side in the top 8 (and one of those is Tom Davies ffs) and, realistically, no more than 3 or 4 who are likely to regularly feature at the top end of the Premier League consistently in the future.

 

Obviously we were shit in 2019 too but that squad had Henderson, Wan-Bissaka, Mount, Maddison, Foden and Barnes who are already playing at the top level regularly plus Tomori, Abraham and DCL who are getting there.

 

 

[Guest ttfn]

11 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

Is Ramsdale the best keeper we have in that age group?

I think Henderson is still eligible, so no.

[StanSP]

5 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Boothroyd is obviously largely to blame but am I the only one looking at that under 21 side and thinking it’s not that special?

 

3 of the 4 defenders have virtually no top flight experience and the goalkeeper has been one of the worst in the Premier League this season.

 

The squad has 4 players playing semi-regularly for a side in the top 8 (and one of those is Tom Davies ffs) and, realistically, no more than 3 or 4 who are likely to regularly feature at the top end of the Premier League consistently in the future.

 

Obviously we were shit in 2019 too but that squad had Henderson, Wan-Bissaka, Mount, Maddison, Foden and Barnes who are already playing at the top level regularly plus Tomori, Abraham and DCL who are getting there.

 

 

I'd imagine when you look at the squads collectively to other top nations' U21 squads it's a pretty decent set of players based on their experience domestically.

 

 

[trabuch]

Boothroyd looks absolutely broken.

[Guest ttfn]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I'd imagine when you look at the squads collectively to other top nations' U21 squads it's a pretty decent set of players based on their experience domestically.

 

 

You’re probably right, but I don’t look at that squad and think it should be doing much at a major tournament.

[Dan]

6 minutes ago, ttfn said:

You’re probably right, but I don’t look at that squad and think it should be doing much at a major tournament.

There's probably truth in both this squad not being all it's cracked up to be* and the manager still being inept.

 

* It's still a squad you would like to think could better Croatia / Switzerland, and not let in 3 goals to Andorra.

[RonnieTodger]

Yeah the squad is overrated, but they should be beating the likes of Switzerland. The talent France have coming through is frightening. 

 

The U21 Euros is growing and we can’t still can’t make it out of the groups. 

That Croatia goal could be a blessing if it means Boothroyd leaving. 

[FrankieADZ]

lets be right Boothroyd isnt upto the job as U21 manager.

[Big Dave]

3 hours ago, StanSP said:

I'd imagine when you look at the squads collectively to other top nations' U21 squads it's a pretty decent set of players based on their experience domestically.

 

 

Croatia had a player who plays in the 3rd tier of German football.

[Tuna]

Amazing how Boothroyd got from taking Northampton to bottom of the football league to managing our under 21s, guy wouldn't get a job in the national league, complete fraud.

[Stuntman_Mike]

I'd love to see Lampard come in as u21 manager. He ticks all the boxes for me.

 

Ex England international who has played at the very highest level too and major tournaments. 

Experience of bringing young players through before Chelsea started to spend big. 

Has managed lower down the football league and done well. 

Experienced the benefit of the loan system himself at Swansea which would be relatable. 

He genuinely comes across as someone you would want to listen to and learn from.

He'd have an extra point to prove with England after not winning what his talent deserved. 

Still young himself and has a long way to go in his career before he may feel he needs to get back into club football. 

 

 

[shen]

15 hours ago, ttfn said:

You’re probably right, but I don’t look at that squad and think it should be doing much at a major tournament.

Compare this to Denmark's squad, who went on to win all three games, and the England squad should easily be semifinal material on paper. The attitude and setup is the major difference here.

[AjcW]

The major issue is leaving it until the last game to play players in their actual positions. Before that....

- We had a centre back at right back when we had Max Aarons on the bench

 

- We had a right back at left back despite his brother... a left sided player.. being on the bench, and even then not actually selecting a specialist left back at all! I know he hasn't played much but you wonder how Luke Thomas doesn't get a look in when we apparently have Zero left backs.

 

- Emile Smith Rowe playing on the left despite being used as a 10 all season by Arsenal

 

- Selecting Tom Davies in any ****ing position is criminal

 

- Not selecting Harvey Elliott despite being one of the best players in the championship this season

 

I've no doubt someone with any sort of managerial intelligence could have at least got us to the summer stage, but yes, the squad and some of its individuals are over rated, and the majority of the very best players are already in the seniors.

[Corky]

I'd have more understanding if we'd done superbly in the last one, lost the best players to the seniors then collapsed in this one. 

 

All this stuff about development is in the past- Southgate seemingly will pick any decent player from the age of 17, it seems, with Bellingham the prime example. It isn't as though you've got to play 10-15 U21 games then get moved up now.

 

It's about style of play and results and he's failed twice.