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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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3 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Wonder if there is anything in this! Does seem strange all these leaks, now.

 

Does not deflect if the events happened or not. The government needs to be above reproach when such important rules etc in place or were in place  

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Dahnsouff

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9 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Not much of a list  Hopefully someone with a bit more integrity or is that too much to Ask?

So not a politician then?  :(

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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

So not a politician then?  :(

It's just this sort of scandal that brings all politicians into disrepute. The public becomes more and more cynical.  

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urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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1 hour ago, LiberalFox said:

Who would replace him?

 

51 minutes ago, Sly said:

This is my issue. 
 

The entire political frontage is mess. I don’t see any credible alternatives either, from any party. 

If the Tories had any sense they’d go for Sunak IMO. Has credit in the bank with the public thanks to furlough and financial support at the start of the pandemic but is still relatively unknown for anything other than that. He’d probably also be vaguely competent, or at least compared to the current PM. 

 

This is why Starmer has to be very careful BTW. If he called for BJ’s resignation now and the above happened, Sunak would have the time to reclaim popularity and win an election. The drip feed of leaks is only enough to bring down Johnson at the minute. We need it to take down the entire ****ing operation. This has to get worse before it can get better. 

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Parafox

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9 hours ago, FoxyPV said:

💯 Agree.

 

You're punishment is your loss of freedom, something that many people couldn't deal with over lockdown, not to be completely abused and live in a hovel 

 

Prison is meant to rehabilitate the offender and in many cases, people come out with addictions and less well socialised. 

 

Look at the prison systems in Netherlands and Norway etc - all about stopping reoffending.

 

 

I agree.

In certain cases there needs to be a distinction between punishment and rehabilitation. Sentences for crimes less than the capital ones should be treated as a chance to rehabilitate rather than punish, maybe with the caveat of repeat offenders. From what I understand most repeat offenders are unable to be rehabilitated and learn worse criminality in prison. It's definitely a conundrum for all involved in the way our prison/justice service deals with criminals. It's not just us. It's a worldwide problem and I don't think any government has the complete solution.

Parafox

Parafox

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1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Sunak IMO.

Well at least he's one politician that hasn't appeared on Have I Got News For You. Must give him some credibility.

Parafox

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19 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Not much of a list  Hopefully someone with a bit more integrity or is that too much to Ask?

 

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

So not a politician then?  :(

Get the winner Dragon's Den/The Apprentice... Oh, I didn't see the "integrity" bit.

Greg2607

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2 hours ago, LiberalFox said:

Who would replace him?

Not our choice. That's for the Tory party to decide. I dare say it would be Sunak, Hunt or Javid. 

Sly

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1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

If the Tories had any sense they’d go for Sunak IMO. Has credit in the bank with the public thanks to furlough and financial support at the start of the pandemic but is still relatively unknown for anything other than that. He’d probably also be vaguely competent, or at least compared to the current PM. 

 

This is why Starmer has to be very careful BTW. If he called for BJ’s resignation now and the above happened, Sunak would have the time to reclaim popularity and win an election. The drip feed of leaks is only enough to bring down Johnson at the minute. We need it to take down the entire ****ing operation. This has to get worse before it can get better. 

Sunak is very much the right person and externally likeable. I’ve suggested him as an alternative before. However as others have pointed out, would he have the backing of wider population. Sadly racism is still a thing. 
 

Boris should never have been PM and his willingness to lie, without the majority of the public even questioning him is a major concern. Other people have been called out for far less. We’re at the point where he could be telling the truth and uk not sure I’d believe him.

StanSP

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3 hours ago, Farrington fox said:

Wonder if there is anything in this! Does seem strange all these leaks, now.

 

Ah yes, that's the pertinent question... 

Corky

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The bloke is in power because he's not Jeremy Corbyn. Expecting proper leadership and authority from this berk is delusional.

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SecretPro

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7 minutes ago, Corky said:

The bloke is in power because he's not Jeremy Corbyn. Expecting proper leadership and authority from this berk is delusional.

Imagine believing now that Jeremy Corbyn could be any worse than this ****.

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urban.spaceman

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58 minutes ago, Sly said:

Sunak is very much the right person and externally likeable. I’ve suggested him as an alternative before. However as others have pointed out, would he have the backing of wider population. Sadly racism is still a thing. 

What I found fascinating about the Momentum types when Corbyn was in power was how they were squealing about the lack of diversity in the Tories compared to Labour at the time. Then Johnson rehired Priti Patel, neither male or white, and the very same people were having a meltdown because her politics and she herself were vile. I think Sunk would get backing by most Tories especially so that they could say they're the only party to have had a female and non-white PM whereas Labour have never had anything other than a white male leader. Though having said that Starmer seems to have put a crackdown on identity politics, or at least these sorts of conversations within Labour aren't as prominent as they were under Corbyn.

 

38 minutes ago, Corky said:

The bloke is in power because he's not Jeremy Corbyn. Expecting proper leadership and authority from this berk is delusional.

 

31 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Imagine believing now that Jeremy Corbyn could be any worse than this ****.

Unfortunately Corky's right, in 2019 we were offered with the a choice of the status quo in terms of government, but delivering Brexit, or Corbyn whose position on Brexit is still not clear and whose leadership of Labour was one of the least popular and most controversial. I've said this many times on here, but allowing Corbyn to go up against him is like Leicester City conceding a corner. It was electoral suicide and should never have been allowed to happen.

 

1 hour ago, Sly said:

Boris should never have been PM and his willingness to lie, without the majority of the public even questioning him is a major concern. Other people have been called out for far less. We’re at the point where he could be telling the truth and uk not sure I’d believe him.

This is what happens when the opposition doesn't take itself seriously. I seriously hope we learn from this and never let it happen again. Starmer at least is saying the right things about restoring trust in politicians. 

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Wymsey

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Some professional needs to carry out The Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards procedure on him, as there's certainly some concerns about his mental capacity fitness..

Dunge

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57 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

What I found fascinating about the Momentum types when Corbyn was in power was how they were squealing about the lack of diversity in the Tories compared to Labour at the time. Then Johnson rehired Priti Patel, neither male or white, and the very same people were having a meltdown because her politics and she herself were vile. I think Sunk would get backing by most Tories especially so that they could say they're the only party to have had a female and non-white PM whereas Labour have never had anything other than a white male leader. Though having said that Starmer seems to have put a crackdown on identity politics, or at least these sorts of conversations within Labour aren't as prominent as they were under Corbyn.

 

 

Unfortunately Corky's right, in 2019 we were offered with the a choice of the status quo in terms of government, but delivering Brexit, or Corbyn whose position on Brexit is still not clear and whose leadership of Labour was one of the least popular and most controversial. I've said this many times on here, but allowing Corbyn to go up against him is like Leicester City conceding a corner. It was electoral suicide and should never have been allowed to happen.

 

This is what happens when the opposition doesn't take itself seriously. I seriously hope we learn from this and never let it happen again. Starmer at least is saying the right things about restoring trust in politicians. 

Said with hindsight, but Corbyn/Corbynism was one of the “big two” problems for Labour at the last election, the other being Brexit and people feeling genuinely angered that their vote wasn’t being respected. Even if they hadn’t had Corbyn, they had big problems with the latter.
 

Fortunately for Labour, the country’s Brexit deadlock has been resolved (whether or not people like what’s happened is incidental; the fact is that it has), and the Labour Party looks very different now to how it looked before. If Starmer can put together a good yet sensible manifesto, can hold off the poisonous left of his party and isn’t up against Sunak, I think he stands a decent chance of winning the next election.

CosbehFox

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There’s a bit of revisionism there in Corbyn. His first election he managed a hung Parliament and there was a genuine boom in young people voting red. You could see why some members insisted on him being around for the next election. 
 

Ultimately the problem by then was the right wing vote had solidified behind the Tories. Previously it was getting chipped away at by Brexit Party etc when the hung Parliament occurred 

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