The Horse's Mouth Posted 7 April 2022 Posted 7 April 2022 18 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Went to check it and the ballbags got me blocked , shame I find him entertaining even if he is a toolbox
bovril Posted 7 April 2022 Posted 7 April 2022 Well I predicted that Ukraine would mean Le Pen easily defeated but it seems like I might be proved wrong. Trust the French to really **** things up....
Claridge Posted 7 April 2022 Posted 7 April 2022 1 hour ago, bovril said: Well I predicted that Ukraine would mean Le Pen easily defeated but it seems like I might be proved wrong. Trust the French to really **** things up.... macron deserves to lose. Proper two-faced slimeball 2
bovril Posted 7 April 2022 Posted 7 April 2022 1 hour ago, LiberalFox said: Vote fascist to own the libs! Macron isn't even liberal. Brit right wingers have just memed themselves into thinking he is and that he hates the UK even though le Pen would clearly be worse for us 3
Popular Post ealingfox Posted 7 April 2022 Popular Post Posted 7 April 2022 6 hours ago, Claridge said: macron deserves to lose. Proper two-faced slimeball Compared to Marine Le Pen? Fvcking hell man. 6
leicsmac Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 It's darkly amusing. I always wondered exactly how something as nasty as fascism was able to take hold to the degree it did around a hundred years ago given the lack of any kind of rationality that underpins it. It would appear that the present times are lurching towards a case study of that in itself. We live in interesting times.
MPH Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 Liberal. One word yet many meanings. tax reforms, public ownership.. if you mean those ( ie fiscal) then you can consider him a liberal. But that’s Bout it.. socially he’s a little bit more of a centrist though..
urban.spaceman Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 I don't know why anyone's surprised if she wins. She got 33% of the vote last time and I remember reading jubilant articles about how they'd defeated fascism. She got 10m votes. 4m more than she got in the first round in 2012. Now she could actually win. It's like the people who were totally blindsided by Brexit. For years people were mocking UKIP, smearing anyone who'd vote for them or wanted to leave the EU; mocking Farage for misplaced microphones or plane crashes and sending bricks to their Freepost address. Absolutely hilarious. Then UKIP got 4m votes but just 1 MP in 2015, even funnier. Practically zero representation in parliament for a single issue party, with a ruling party that had 11m votes promising a referendum on that single issue if they got in. The far right flourish when you refuse to take them seriously. Take them ****ing seriously. 4
leicsmac Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 4 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: I don't know why anyone's surprised if she wins. She got 33% of the vote last time and I remember reading jubilant articles about how they'd defeated fascism. She got 10m votes. 4m more than she got in the first round in 2012. Now she could actually win. It's like the people who were totally blindsided by Brexit. For years people were mocking UKIP, smearing anyone who'd vote for them or wanted to leave the EU; mocking Farage for misplaced microphones or plane crashes and sending bricks to their Freepost address. Absolutely hilarious. Then UKIP got 4m votes but just 1 MP in 2015, even funnier. Practically zero representation in parliament for a single issue party, with a ruling party that had 11m votes promising a referendum on that single issue if they got in. The far right flourish when you refuse to take them seriously. Take them ****ing seriously. I'm in total agreement with the idea of taking the far right seriously (you can add USA 2016 to that summary too), however, I'm honestly at a loss as to exactly *what* would define "taking them seriously" and therefore seek to successfully address the threat.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 (edited) Do hate Macron and totally get the protest vote, saying that I still think he'll sneak it. The EU will be shitting it Edited 8 April 2022 by The Horse's Mouth
frakenfox Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 With the appearance of the even-righter Zemmor, Le Penn is considered a more acceptable option to voters who don't want to be tarnished with that 'racist' brush. Le Penn has been campaigning hard on the 'rising living costs' theme and promising to do all sorts about it - as if it's not a problem the world over. Indeed France is actually doing rather well in softening those costs. But in a face off, I suspect Macron will win out because (as often happens) voters vote as much 'against' as 'for' in the 2nd round and even those that dislike Macron, and all he stands for, dislike Le Pen even more. Democracy in action I guess. 2
leicsmac Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 To paraphrase a passage taken from a few years back... "your concerns may be legitimate, but perhaps the neofascists shouldn't be your answer?" 4
Lionator Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 21 minutes ago, frakenfox said: With the appearance of the even-righter Zemmor, Le Penn is considered a more acceptable option to voters who don't want to be tarnished with that 'racist' brush. Le Penn has been campaigning hard on the 'rising living costs' theme and promising to do all sorts about it - as if it's not a problem the world over. Indeed France is actually doing rather well in softening those costs. But in a face off, I suspect Macron will win out because (as often happens) voters vote as much 'against' as 'for' in the 2nd round and even those that dislike Macron, and all he stands for, dislike Le Pen even more. Democracy in action I guess. Le Pen would basically be like Trump, Johnson etc. She’d promise the working classes and ‘forgotten’ the world and then deliver absolutely nothing in her tenure due to external circumstances.
CosbehFox Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: I don't know why anyone's surprised if she wins. She got 33% of the vote last time and I remember reading jubilant articles about how they'd defeated fascism. She got 10m votes. 4m more than she got in the first round in 2012. Now she could actually win. It's like the people who were totally blindsided by Brexit. For years people were mocking UKIP, smearing anyone who'd vote for them or wanted to leave the EU; mocking Farage for misplaced microphones or plane crashes and sending bricks to their Freepost address. Absolutely hilarious. Then UKIP got 4m votes but just 1 MP in 2015, even funnier. Practically zero representation in parliament for a single issue party, with a ruling party that had 11m votes promising a referendum on that single issue if they got in. The far right flourish when you refuse to take them seriously. Take them ****ing seriously. A lot of French commentators saying with the far right Eric Zemmour standing, it means Le Pen looks almost rational. The key is going to be the left of France votes for Macron but his attitude to a lot of immigration etc has gone to the right as well.
CosbehFox Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 1 hour ago, frakenfox said: With the appearance of the even-righter Zemmor, Le Penn is considered a more acceptable option to voters who don't want to be tarnished with that 'racist' brush. Le Penn has been campaigning hard on the 'rising living costs' theme and promising to do all sorts about it - as if it's not a problem the world over. Indeed France is actually doing rather well in softening those costs. But in a face off, I suspect Macron will win out because (as often happens) voters vote as much 'against' as 'for' in the 2nd round and even those that dislike Macron, and all he stands for, dislike Le Pen even more. Democracy in action I guess. Said it for me, apolgises didn't see your post
chapero82 Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 1 hour ago, Lionator said: Le Pen would basically be like Trump, Johnson etc. She’d promise the working classes and ‘forgotten’ the world and then deliver absolutely nothing in her tenure due to external circumstances. The reason why Boris doesn’t do anything for the normal people is because he thinks we are scum!
Lionator Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: A lot of French commentators saying with the far right Eric Zemmour standing, it means Le Pen looks almost rational. The key is going to be the left of France votes for Macron but his attitude to a lot of immigration etc has gone to the right as well. If the Green candidate pulled out tomorrow then Melanchon would end up in the final two at the expense of Le Pen. Honestly their presidential election system maybe even worse than our electoral system. Edited 8 April 2022 by Lionator
frakenfox Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 Melanchon is polling high at the moment (3rd I believe) which is surprising to me, I thought he'd missed a trick. The socialist party (PS) somewhat fell apart after the last elections and I thought Melencon could hoover up the left support if he softened his stance a little. But he didn't, arguably he got more resolutely and harder left.... and proved me wrong!
Lionator Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, frakenfox said: Melanchon is polling high at the moment (3rd I believe) which is surprising to me, I thought he'd missed a trick. The socialist party (PS) somewhat fell apart after the last elections and I thought Melencon could hoover up the left support if he softened his stance a little. But he didn't, arguably he got more resolutely and harder left.... and proved me wrong! That’s basically what Corbyn did after 2017 here. The problem with socialists is that they are too closely married to their idealist beliefs and aren’t nuanced enough. A bit more nuance and he could’ve been closer to power. Edited 8 April 2022 by Lionator
Lionator Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 To those on this thread defending Sunak, how do you feel now that this green card leak has been revealed. He’s completely finished imo in terms of PM ambition.
Tuna Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 I see this green card business being reported but I don't understand what it means or it's significance, if someone could please explain?
bovril Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 One of the more satisfying political implosions of recent times 2
Lionator Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 17 minutes ago, Tuna said: I see this green card business being reported but I don't understand what it means or it's significance, if someone could please explain? It means that any taxes he pays on ventures outside of Britain must be paid to the USA, and not Britain. Firstly it’s not exactly patriotic, secondly the USA has lower tax rates. It’s essentially tax dodging. 1
st albans fox Posted 8 April 2022 Posted 8 April 2022 (edited) On 07/04/2022 at 12:02, Jon the Hat said: They are not going to bury him with a non dom wife. Non dom status is really not that controversial. On 07/04/2022 at 12:08, ClaphamFox said: There's no way this story is big enough to bury Sunak. Exploiting non-dom loopholes might be morally dubious but it's not the kind of thing that resonates much with the public. He’s toast in respect of leading the party imo, the party was never ready to elect someone of his background as a leader anyway. These revelations re his and his families tax affairs means he will never successfully challenge boris. And boris will demote him at some point over the next six months depending on how toxic the affair becomes ….. boris knows a fair bit about affairs ! Edited 8 April 2022 by st albans fox
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