Brendan Rodgers

[87fox]

33 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I absolutely agree that we are too nice, one of the main reasons Spurs win that game, because they have that nasty grit about them that will keep pushing and pushing. And they probably knew there was a chance we would shit ourselves if they get a chance. I think in some instances experience can help, you’ve got that post 25 Y/O midfielder seeing Kane run through the middle of the park he gets taken out, it is something that can be coached but sometimes a more experienced head would take that upon themselves to do. 
 

But you are spot on, this team lacks grit and a bite, and it does stem from the manager, who just wants us to be as refined as possible, but you can’t be that unless you get your hands dirty. 
 

Man City can be as dirty as anyone, so can Chelsea and Liverpool. 

Absolutely. I found it incredible that no-one took out the Spurs players driving forward with the ball in midfield for both late goals. For example, Vestegaard had an opportunity to do so both times. If he takes a yellow card in the centre circle at 94.45 we end the game with 3 points. If Tielemans takes a yellow after he loses possession we end the game with 1 point. Others had reasonable opportunities, too.

[ealingfox]

29 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

We have also won more games at home in the past 2 seasons than Newcastle have won home AND away in the past 2 seasons

 

Oh wow, we'd better give him a pay rise.

[StanSP]

32 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said:

Press conference day so will find out if kdh and Thomas subs were injuries or tiredness etc?

What time? 

[Stadt]

40 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

It’s almost like we are playing without our whole first choice back line and having to play our 6th choice CB with two midfielders in the backline…

I'm aware but we're getting worse year on year, Rodgers isn't blameless with the injuries either.

 

19/20 

41 Conceded 

44.5 xGA 

 

20/21 

50 conceded

47.7 xGA

 

21/22

36 conceded (19 games in)

35 xGA

 

If everybody was fully fit tomorrow I still wouldn't trusts us defensively because the structure and orgainistion is too poor. Rodgers has mostly been a good manager for us, I just can't see anyway he turns this around especially as we need a rebuild in the summer. 

 

 

[smudgerfox]

I think Brendan is an idealist. His dream is to win the Premier League or Champions League or both - with everyone saying what a brilliant team he has built. Universal admiration for not only winning but “doing it the right way..” 

 

He can’t do that with us - or at least in his heart he doesn’t believe he can - hence “overachieving”,  so he’s trying to get a universally admired team that will help get him that job. And without the pressure of having to win every week, it’s perfect here for him - he’s well paid and comfortably supported while he’s conducting his dress rehearsal. 
 

I think back to Rudiger in the post FA Cup Final league game last season. He was a nasty bastard that night and we had no match for him. And we never will have under BR - because he wouldn’t want his players conducting themselves like that. Kasper, Evans, value their reputation in the wider game, Vards has lost his appetite for causing trouble …Tielemans, Maddison are too young and aware of their potential to be playing elsewhere to be strong leaders. I’m fact it says a lot that the only hint of anyone embodying the Foxes Never Quit maxim has come from KDH who has only just arrived n the team due to an injury crisis..

 

 

 

[An Sionnach]

4 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

fact it says a lot that the only hint of anyone embodying the Foxes Never Quit maxim has come from KDH who has only just arrived n the team due to an injury crisis..

Hamza,KDH and Thomas are Leicester lads and fans. The club is far more to them than a job , they share the same mentality as this forum ,LCFC is their team and they need it to succeed.

[Lesta2014]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

What time? 

Was more a question from me if there was one? 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

8 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said:

Was more a question from me if there was one? 

Tends to be 130 but often they won't have one if there is a midweek game. They'll just do an interview with the Premier league which will be released later on today.

[Tom12345]

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-talking-points-tottenham-6525549.amp

 

Worth a read.

 

Agree with much of what was said regarding Tielemans and Rodgers. Tielemans while was poor and made a mistake at the end, afterall, wanted to win. That is why he made that pass, rather than like the rest of the team and Rodgers himself wanted to just settle for a draw. That speaks to mindset. Game management = lack of confidence = nervous of making mistakes = bottle. Tielemans wanted to win. Kasper wanted to win. Rodgers = bottle. 

 

When Liverpool speaks about game management, they mean continuing their way of playing and dominating, not trying to “hold on to the win”.

 

Play with confidence guys.

 

I have to say: Rodgers have been trying to change I noticed, but his true self is still apparent when he criticised Tielemans for trying to win. This is exactly why he is proving to be a bottler. But I still hope he is changing.

Edited 21 January 2022 by Tom12345

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, Lesta2014 said:

Press conference day so will find out if kdh and Thomas subs were injuries or tiredness etc?

I could understand the tiredness of KDH as he had to do all the hard work of Tielemans and some of Maddison's as well as his own. Tielemans was so lethargic I thought he was going to lay down in the centre circle for a nap!

[Chelmofox]

Wanting to win and doing the right thing are 2 very different things. To some degree, I admire Tielemans for wanting that but what he ended up doing looked more desperate than anything else. It wasn't like they were executing a game plan to win, and in doing so the shape was all over the place, and our confidence had been shot by the equaliser anyway. This isn't Rodgers bottling, its management. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

21 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Prior to this season we'd never ever thrown away a 2 goal lead bar Everton in the cup and we won on penalties. This season alone we have done it about 4 or 5 times. We'd also not turned over a 2 goal deficit until this season and done so a few times, so it shows the chaos.

 

We were so begrudgingly good at seeing out leads under Rodgers up until this season, he used to shut the game down and although it was frustrating at times, as we seldom conceded very late goals it wasn't something to really nit pick on. This year though we're a disgrace, we need to be at least 2 goals to the good in the closing minutes and even that's still pure stress.

Its the Verstergaard tax.  He's a 2 goal liability per game.

[sacreblueits442]

15 hours ago, BrianSwan said:

He deserves a poor season after two 5th places and a cup

....no one deserves a poor season!!!

Circumstances would cause a poor season but because of what is perceived as two seasons of success does not follow that we will have to make up for it by going backwards. It is as if you are saying, after winning the league, it is reasonable that we should be fighting relegation the next season.

[Torten]

4 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....no one deserves a poor season!!!

Circumstances would cause a poor season but because of what is perceived as two seasons of success does not follow that we will have to make up for it by going backwards. It is as if you are saying, after winning the league, it is reasonable that we should be fighting relegation the next season.

We're not Chelsea. We cannot just sack managers if they go through a bad spell (albeit a rather lengthy one). For me, as long as we're well clear of relegation, I think Rodgers has more than earned the right to have another go next season where (hopefully) injuries can ease off.

[UniFox21]

7 hours ago, ealingfox said:

 

 

10m quid a year.

 

I'd also like to know if the games played at home is equal. Given we've had 2 euro campaigns, further in the FA cup and decent in carabao this year too. 

[Corky]

The claims he is an elite coach need to be scrutinised. He just doesn't fit the description. Barring the FA Cup (which he fully deserved to win, maybe not on the day but the commitment to it overall was first class), his other three main seasons were two 5th placed finishes with us and a 2nd place with Liverpool. 

 

All three can be viewed two ways. A great achievement getting less fashionable teams (not clubs if any Liverpool fans are reading) to possibly punch above it's weight, or an ultimate failure to finish off the job started. Liverpool, really, had one costly result in the last 15 games or so therefore he didn't have too much leeway in terms of falling short but, let's be honest, I think we all expected Liverpool to win the league that season and not doing so was ultimately a failure.

 

Then the two seasons with us. A lot of talk about the budgets and finances compared to teams around and above us but, whilst several had upheaval, we had a settled squad with talent coming through. I don't believe top six was way beyond us even if, say, Arsenal were settled too. To get into such good leads twice probably did flatter us but you need to take the opportunities that present themselves. Some of the late season results have been truly appalling and strikes as being either too assured or all over the place with nerves shredded. 

 

You could even chuck in two semi-final defeats, five years apart, to average to poor Aston Villa teams and question why both were lost. Europe, with Leicester and Liverpool, is barely worth talking about, it is so mediocre.

 

He's a good manager, we've played some fantastic thrilling football at times (even in this listless campaign) and he can't even be accused of being a flat track bully given the amount of wins we've managed against the top sides. But there is still a feeling we should've generally produced better results.

 

For the money he commands, and the reputation he has, there is still convincing to do I'm afraid. The annoying thing is that it wouldn't have taken much more to merit the elite tag and there would've been little debate about his qualities on here and certainly few calls for change.

[sacreblueits442]

46 minutes ago, Torten said:

We're not Chelsea. We cannot just sack managers if they go through a bad spell (albeit a rather lengthy one). For me, as long as we're well clear of relegation, I think Rodgers has more than earned the right to have another go next season where (hopefully) injuries can ease off.

....not understanding your reply, my response was as a response to having a poor season equating to previously having a successful season!!!

It was in no way a rebuke of Rodgers, just that the suggestion that "..we deserve a poor season", was illogical.

[don_danbury]

1 hour ago, Torten said:

We're not Chelsea. We cannot just sack managers if they go through a bad spell (albeit a rather lengthy one). For me, as long as we're well clear of relegation, I think Rodgers has more than earned the right to have another go next season where (hopefully) injuries can ease off.

is there any sign of these injuries wearing off? if anything they seem to be getting worse over time. if this carries on the squad will start to get devalued as players aren't regularly playing.

[Nickaj]

I've done my time as a Director of a non league football club and found that at that level, the only way to judge a manager's performance was to assess whether he was getting the best out of the team of players at his disposal.

Even at that level, other considerations like player fitness or recruitment largely had to be left to others either better qualified or better able to make the necessary judgements - always making sure though that your manager listens to the advice he's being given

[moore_94]

9 minutes ago, don_danbury said:

is there any sign of these injuries wearing off? if anything they seem to be getting worse over time. if this carries on the squad will start to get devalued as players aren't regularly playing.

Down to 6 injuries now - Ricardo, Castagne, Evans, Fofana, Bertrand, Vardy

 

We got about 6 players back for the Spurs game - JJ, Soyuncu, Thomas, Soumare, KDH, Daka

[Chelmofox]

6 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Down to 6 injuries now - Ricardo, Castagne, Evans, Fofana, Bertrand, Vardy

 

We got about 6 players back for the Spurs game - JJ, Soyuncu, Thomas, Soumare, KDH, Daka

 

Rogers can't be blamed for Ricardo and Fofana. My take on Castagne is that they've used the opportunity to sort a few things out at the same time (didn't someone say there was shoulder surgery too?). Vardy and Evans i'm putting down to age (and probably need to change how they approach things accordingly), and i'd rather Bertrand was as far away from the team as possible.

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, jamesp26 said:

 

Rogers can't be blamed for Ricardo and Fofana. My take on Castagne is that they've used the opportunity to sort a few things out at the same time (didn't someone say there was shoulder surgery too?). Vardy and Evans i'm putting down to age (and probably need to change how they approach things accordingly), and i'd rather Bertrand was as far away from the team as possible.

The current injuries to Ricardo, Fofana and possibly Castagne I can't blame on Rodgers

 

Evans and Vardy I can blame on him because they are hamstring injuries, especially Vardy because his game time was a lot easier to manage

 

Bertrand we don't really know about him except that it is a knee injury

[Guest ttfn]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

The claims he is an elite coach need to be scrutinised. He just doesn't fit the description. Barring the FA Cup (which he fully deserved to win, maybe not on the day but the commitment to it overall was first class), his other three main seasons were two 5th placed finishes with us and a 2nd place with Liverpool. 

 

All three can be viewed two ways. A great achievement getting less fashionable teams (not clubs if any Liverpool fans are reading) to possibly punch above it's weight, or an ultimate failure to finish off the job started. Liverpool, really, had one costly result in the last 15 games or so therefore he didn't have too much leeway in terms of falling short but, let's be honest, I think we all expected Liverpool to win the league that season and not doing so was ultimately a failure.

 

Then the two seasons with us. A lot of talk about the budgets and finances compared to teams around and above us but, whilst several had upheaval, we had a settled squad with talent coming through. I don't believe top six was way beyond us even if, say, Arsenal were settled too. To get into such good leads twice probably did flatter us but you need to take the opportunities that present themselves. Some of the late season results have been truly appalling and strikes as being either too assured or all over the place with nerves shredded. 

 

You could even chuck in two semi-final defeats, five years apart, to average to poor Aston Villa teams and question why both were lost. Europe, with Leicester and Liverpool, is barely worth talking about, it is so mediocre.

 

He's a good manager, we've played some fantastic thrilling football at times (even in this listless campaign) and he can't even be accused of being a flat track bully given the amount of wins we've managed against the top sides. But there is still a feeling we should've generally produced better results.

 

For the money he commands, and the reputation he has, there is still convincing to do I'm afraid. The annoying thing is that it wouldn't have taken much more to merit the elite tag and there would've been little debate about his qualities on here and certainly few calls for change.

Bang on

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

The claims he is an elite coach need to be scrutinised. He just doesn't fit the description. Barring the FA Cup (which he fully deserved to win, maybe not on the day but the commitment to it overall was first class), his other three main seasons were two 5th placed finishes with us and a 2nd place with Liverpool. 

 

All three can be viewed two ways. A great achievement getting less fashionable teams (not clubs if any Liverpool fans are reading) to possibly punch above it's weight, or an ultimate failure to finish off the job started. Liverpool, really, had one costly result in the last 15 games or so therefore he didn't have too much leeway in terms of falling short but, let's be honest, I think we all expected Liverpool to win the league that season and not doing so was ultimately a failure.

 

Then the two seasons with us. A lot of talk about the budgets and finances compared to teams around and above us but, whilst several had upheaval, we had a settled squad with talent coming through. I don't believe top six was way beyond us even if, say, Arsenal were settled too. To get into such good leads twice probably did flatter us but you need to take the opportunities that present themselves. Some of the late season results have been truly appalling and strikes as being either too assured or all over the place with nerves shredded. 

 

You could even chuck in two semi-final defeats, five years apart, to average to poor Aston Villa teams and question why both were lost. Europe, with Leicester and Liverpool, is barely worth talking about, it is so mediocre.

 

He's a good manager, we've played some fantastic thrilling football at times (even in this listless campaign) and he can't even be accused of being a flat track bully given the amount of wins we've managed against the top sides. But there is still a feeling we should've generally produced better results.

 

For the money he commands, and the reputation he has, there is still convincing to do I'm afraid. The annoying thing is that it wouldn't have taken much more to merit the elite tag and there would've been little debate about his qualities on here and certainly few calls for change.

Squad quality over estimation in my opinion, we have a good squad, but not a deep great squad, this is why our injuries to our first XI crucifies us.

 

The money argument is not relevant to quality, it’s merely a buying price and does not imply any guarantee of success regardless of factors outside of the persons control, such as injuries.

 

He has done good, but he has not done great, should he have done better? Borderline.

[Torten]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....not understanding your reply, my response was as a response to having a poor season equating to previously having a successful season!!!

It was in no way a rebuke of Rodgers, just that the suggestion that "..we deserve a poor season", was illogical.

Ah mea culpa. Spot on