The Knee

[FOXSE]

10 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

I’ve been reading all of it without getting involved very much. I agree and disagree with different posters but I believe everything has stayed the right side of the line and has been respectful. I never get why people on here are so quick to try and suppress debate on controversial issues by suggesting locking threads.

I have read a number of the posts. There is only need for debate where people might change their minds. This is an emotive issue and people seem pretty entrenched. Besides, Leicester have just completed there second most successful season in history, and this is what people want to debate. Amazing.

Edited 23 May 2021 by FOXSE

[splinterdream]

17 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj4j8x/remembering-police-brutality-victims-uk

I'm looking at the four figures put forward in that link, Mark Dugan was an extremely dangerous violent criminal though to be carrying a firearm, Smiley Culture was a judged to have stabbed himself in a police raid, and dalian atkinson was a terrible accident with a taser due to the clothing he was wearing causing it to kill him. I'm sure police brutality goes on, and i'm sure there are racist police but that doesn't prove britain is institutionally racist. The police can be arseholes, the job tends to attract them.

[LCFCbwoi]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

Say what now?

 

Do you mean Dog Whistle?

 

 

Yes 😂 I’ll blame it on quick typing 👀

[peach0000]

Just now, FOXSE said:

I have read a number of the posts. There is only need for debate where people might change there minds. This is an emotive issue and people seem pretty entrenched. Besides, Leicester have just completed there second most successful season in history, and this is what people want to debate. Amazing.

It’s people right to debate want they want. If you don’t like it don’t read it. There’s a lot of other things being discussed on this forum. Some of the posts on here have been quite educational. While people won’t always agree with each other it is possible to have a civilised and interesting debate with those you disagree with.

[LCFCbwoi]

2 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I'm looking at the four figures put forward in that link, Mark Dugan was an extremely dangerous violent criminal though to be carrying a firearm, Smiley Culture was a judged to have stabbed himself in a police raid, and dalian atkinson was a terrible accident with a taser due to the clothing he was wearing causing it to kill him. I'm sure police brutality goes on, and i'm sure there are racist police but that doesn't prove britain is institutionally racist. The police can be arseholes, the job tends to attract them.

But there was a report not too long ago that proved The Met was institutionally racist, and they are one of Britain’s biggest institutes?

Edited 23 May 2021 by LCFCbwoi

[Izzy]

13 minutes ago, FOXSE said:

This thread. Jesus. I would say close it before someone says something they will regret, but that must have been 10 pages ago now.....

It's a great thread. I'm learning shit loads.

[sheffield_fox]

Pisses me off so much that the clubs spout on about having zero tolerance to racism then allow this to happen without taking action. 

 

It time for them to stop fannying about and put their money where their mouth is. 

 

Anyone who says they're booing players taking the knee and it's not racist cos they just don't like the politics of BLM or some nonsense. Absolute bollocks. If you don't like it and supposedly aren't a racist then just shut the **** up and let the black players and everyone get on with making a gesture to say the racists are not welcome. 

 

The level of entitlement these people express in being unwilling to give up 5 seconds of their time at the start of the match is unforgivable. Ban them all and give the season tickets to someone who can support the team without being a ****. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, Bert said:

Just my opinion like. 

It was Hitler's opinion that the Jews were an inferior race that should be wiped off the planet.

 

Just his opinion like.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, the, "it's just my opinion" thing. It may be an opinion; doesn't mean it can't be held up to scrutiny.

 

But I suppose no one should ever challenge someone's opinion. 

[barnacle]

2 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Was sickening those idiot fans booing our players take a stand against racism. Especially when we have black players playing for us! 

Thats the problem with the knee, White people suffer racism too...

[BigGibbo]

16 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said:

Those stats prove nothing. The UK has one of the most tolerant, regulated, scrutinised and least racist police services in the world. You can put the deaths in custody down to racism if it suits an agenda, but that doesn't make it true. 

The conclusions you draw from those stats are your perogative, but the fact remains there is a systemic issue if 2.5 times more black people per capita die in police custody than any other race. That should just be the start of the enquiry as to why which I don't particularly want to see conducted by laymen on Foxestalk. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, FOXSE said:

Besides, Leicester have just completed there second most successful season in history, and this is what people want to debate. Amazing.

Yeah, why waste time debating something as trivial as the fight against racism when Leicester have just qualified for the Europa League? Get your ****ing priorities sorted lads

[splinterdream]

1 minute ago, LCFCbwoi said:

But there was a report not too long ago that proved The Met was institutionally racist, and they are one of Britain’s biggest institutes?

the one following the stephen lawrence inquiry 1997?

[Mark_w]

14 minutes ago, srex9 said:

As for Churchill, a bit of context is needed. Certainly a man of his time, outspoken and often terms he used would not be appropriate by today's standards. However, if you want to compare him to his peers at the time he is not even in the controversial category.

It's not just the terms he used. It's the meaning of the things he said. His entire political position was based on bigotry. He was a firm supporter of the idea that we were superior to other peoples, and that that was justification to 'civilise' or more realistically exploit them. It's not about the terminology, it's about his world view. He was a racist in terms of some the terms he used yes, but his politics were also racist.

[hackneyfox]

36 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said:

So in the last ten years, deaths in police custody:

 

White - 141

Black - 13

Other minority groups - 10

 

"So, over the last 10 years, a white individual who has been arrested was about 25% more likely to die in custody than a black individual who had been arrested"

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52890363

Did you read what you've linked?

'black people are more than twice as likely to die in police custody.'

[FOXSE]

3 minutes ago, Guest said:

Yeah, why waste time debating something as trivial as the fight against racism when Leicester have just qualified for the Europa League? Get your ****ing priorities sorted lads

If one person questions their bigotry, it will have been worthwhile..... 

[LCFCbwoi]

3 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

the one following the stephen lawrence inquiry 1997?

Yes, I don’t feel 20-25 years is a significant amount of time for an racist institution to become non racist 

[BlueSi13]

1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

Ugh when did I say white people are favoured? I'm just saying black people are disporportionately impacted and the stats bear that out. If black people are that much more likely to be taken into custody then, unless you think skin colour makes someone more likely to be criminal, that is an institutional problem. And I'm sure there are tons of reasons for it, it's likely a combination of institutional racism in the police making arrests of black people more likely, and racism in society giving black people fewer economic and educational opportunities. It's all a part of the same societal problem.

So down to racism then?  No other reasons at all?  

 

Nothing to do with the fact that Black children are 2.5 times more likely to be raised in a single parent home compared to a white child (5 times more likely than an Asian child)? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/06/father-figures-why-the-new-wave-of-visible-black-dads-give-me-hope

 

As for fewer educational opportunities, % of state school pupils getting a higher education place (2020:

 

Chinese - 72%

Asian - 53%

Black - 48%

 

White - 33%

 

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/higher-education/entry-rates-into-higher-education/latest#by-ethnicity-over-time

[splinterdream]

1 minute ago, LCFCbwoi said:

Yes, I don’t feel 20-25 years is a significant amount of time for an racist institution to become non racist 

rightio, you win, I'm out. Goodnight

[sheffield_fox]

6 minutes ago, barnacle said:

Thats the problem with the knee, White people suffer racism too...

As far as I'm aware, the whole point is to oppose racism in all its forms. 

 

Not to mention the fact that all nationalilties and ethnicities are taking the knee. 

 

Of course there is racism between other races than just black and white. And that's wrong too. Best thing we can do is to try and prevent it all at source. Football is an excellent place to start. 

 

The sooner the Rooney rule is implemented, the better. 

[barnacle]

2 hours ago, Number 6 said:

Chelsea fans seemed to applaud it midweek against us.

 

Heard the boos on the TV loud today and at Wembley. How has it gone down at other grounds? Pretty dispiriting to hear our fanbase react in this way.

 

TV has made a point of drowning it oot. I think they're scared of the fans knowing better than them and that fans should do as they're told...

[KFS]

28 minutes ago, blueharmie said:

I'm not comfortable with the fact that this taking the knee was started due to a scumbag in the U. S being killed. Im sure white scum bags have had similar. 

 

Should not be doing this before matches. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scumbag???

[LCFCbwoi]

3 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

rightio, you win, I'm out. Goodnight

erm… strange response but see ya mate

[sheffield_fox]

If you want a scapegoat for us fluffing Champions League look no further than the absolute muppets that booed the team right at the start of the first home game for over a year. 

 

What the ****? Seriously. Ban them 

[barnacle]

2 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said:

As far as I'm aware, the whole point is to oppose racism in all its forms. 

 

Not to mention the fact that all nationalilties and ethnicities are taking the knee. 

 

Of course there is racism between other races than just black and white. And that's wrong too. Best thing we can do is to try and prevent it all at source. Football is an excellent place to start. 

 

The sooner the Rooney rule is implemented, the better. 

Then why was the initial gesture about BLM on the back of shirts, and the knee is in direct response to George Floyd. Perhaps the promoters of this movement should respectfully include all victims of racism.

 

Isn't the Rooney rule racism - only one race gets a leg-up at the expense of other races.

[volpeazzurro]

5 minutes ago, LCFCbwoi said:

But there was a report not too long ago that proved The Met was institutionally racist, and they are one of Britain’s biggest institutes?

The report you refer to was the McPherson report following the murder of Stephen Lawrence murder. It was 20yrs ago. There is policing outside the Met. I think all Forces however made great strides in both education and practice. They aren't perfect. Every public service is made up from the general public, some are racist. However, I do honestly believe that it's a minority and sadly, the police, doctors, nurses, fireman, teachers etc are all bodies of people that sometimes get judged by the odd bad individuals and not the in general good work of the majority. Biased media reporting doesn't help either never letting the truth get in the way of a good story for sales and profit. Currently, nurses and other NHS staff are angels but further down the line, they'll get a slagging off too. It's cyclical.