King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 11 minutes ago, splinterdream said: what white right wing racist policies are these? c'mon man, the leader of the free world was black, our british cabinet is the most multicultural it's ever been, we live in a city where a white person is now in the minority, as it is in other cities in England, I'm not sure what these policies are. That’s a disgusting racist trope ! 50% of the city is white ! Now you and your real beliefs have been unmasked Watch and learn the master it may educate you 3
LCFCbwoi Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 16 minutes ago, sishades said: Wilfred Zaha thinks taking the knee is inappropriate. Is he a racist? Wilfred Zaha doesn’t take the knee because he wants stronger action taken by authorities, not because he thinks it’s inappropriate? 2
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 14 minutes ago, Blue-fox said: He also stood up to a racist, facist tyrant. And helped us live in a free country 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nod.E Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, splinterdream said: thats not actually true is it 1. I meant overweight. 2. I drive a lot. Trust me, good driving is the exception. I can't remember the last time I went on a drive without meeting multiple morons. If I joined a debate mid-way without knowing the context, and all I knew was that 'most people' opted for one argument, I'd take the opposite view in confidence that it'd end up being the correct view.
Guest Bert Fill Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 12 minutes ago, splinterdream said: what white right wing racist policies are these? c'mon man, the leader of the free world was black, our british cabinet is the most multicultural it's ever been, we live in a city where a white person is now in the minority, as it is in other cities in England, I'm not sure what these policies are. Aren’t you? Maybe they’re the ones that result in black people still being killed by the police for no other reason anyone can see except that they are black.
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 18 minutes ago, sishades said: Wilfred Zaha thinks taking the knee is inappropriate. Is he a racist? No he feels the knee isn’t enough !!! He wants more direct action he believes taking the knee limits the strength of response that black players should give to racists, he wants harsher penalties for the likes of those that’s boo’d today
splinterdream Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 I also think the abhorrant attack on historical heroic figures such Churchill also go some way to cause people to boo the players gesture, if you don't understand you cannot judge historical figures by todays standards you should really read some books and understand historical context. 1
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 5 minutes ago, Mark_w said: Well he lost the 1945 election or our decolonisation would have been a lot more bloody and his supporters would find it a lot more difficult to justify his role in history. Well you can’t say that for certain can you really, as it never happened.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, splinterdream said: Britain has been world leading in combating racism Jesus. Statements like this is why need more Marxism in our discourse and not less. 1
LCFCbwoi Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, splinterdream said: That's not what i said though was it, do you not think the asian community in Leicester aren't racist? Racism will always exist I'm afraid whislt cultural differences and social divides exist, but Britain has been world leading in combating racism, it's illegal here and although i'd never boo players taking the knee, i think it;s not about the gesture, but about the way it was delivered last summer. I’ve got many Asian friends and they’ll be the first to tell you there’s loads of anti-black racism in the Asian community, but what has that got to do with an anti-racism message?
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, Bert Fill said: Aren’t you? Maybe they’re the ones that result in black people still being killed by the police for no other reason anyone can see except that they are black. This doesn’t happen in the UK does it though really?
splinterdream Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, Bert Fill said: Aren’t you? Maybe they’re the ones that result in black people still being killed by the police for no other reason anyone can see except that they are black. Don't muddle up the US with the United Kingdom, i've no doubt they have racism issues
Mark_w Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, Blue-fox said: Well you can’t say that for certain can you really, as it never happened. He was a passionate colonialist who was extremely attached to the empire. “I did not become his Majesty's First Minister to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire”. France tried to cling onto their empire after the second world-war and the result was a lot more war and a lot more bloodshed. I can say with some confidence that British decolonisation under Churchill would not have been pretty.
Dan Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 41 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said: I get the impression the Premier League has unofficially distanced itself from BLM now? They've never come out and said it but I certainly haven't seen it mentioned much. Seems to be more with Kick It Out I think now. The cat is out of the bag. It should never have gotten close to BLM in any way. I say with near certainty that any Kick It Out gesture wouldn't have been booed. The @Freeman's Wharfer post on page 4 was spot on. Couldn't reflect any more how I feel. 1
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, splinterdream said: I also think the abhorrant attack on historical heroic figures such Churchill also go some way to cause people to boo the players gesture, if you don't understand you cannot judge historical figures by todays standards you should really read some books and understand historical context. He was a confirmed racist, slaughtered millions in India. but his statue should remain so we can teach our children that his evil deeds were not corrected by any good deeds please Stop denying history; its the tool racist and xenophobic people use to justify their belief structures
TonyN11 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 I think the act of 'taking a knee' has run it's course. I would prefer one player from each team to read out an anti-discriminatory statement prior to the match. If not the players then representatives of fan groups (just thinking that this might be the better course of action)
Guest Bert Fill Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 6 minutes ago, splinterdream said: That's not what i said though was it, do you not think the asian community in Leicester aren't racist? Racism will always exist I'm afraid whislt cultural differences and social divides exist, but Britain has been world leading in combating racism, it's illegal here and although i'd never boo players taking the knee, i think it;s not about the gesture, but about the way it was delivered last summer. This is partly why it’s linked to the phrase ‘black lives matter’ rather than ‘kick racism out of football.’ It isn’t simply about saying ‘gosh, isn’t racism jolly awful, we really should do something about it.’ It’s about the fact that black people are literally being killed because they’re black - that their life (literally, their actual life) effectively doesn’t matter.
LCFCbwoi Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said: The cat is out of the bag. It should never have gotten close to BLM in any way. I say with near certainty that any Kick It Out gesture wouldn't have been booed. The @Freeman's Wharfer post on page 4 was spot on. Couldn't reflect any more how I feel. Stop lying to yourself, as if the fans that booed would be totally fine with it if the message was brought to you by Kick It Out? 😂
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 3 minutes ago, Mark_w said: He was a passionate colonialist who was extremely attached to the empire. “I did not become his Majesty's First Minister to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire”. France tried to cling onto their empire after the second world-war and the result was a lot more war and a lot more bloodshed. I can say with some confidence that British decolonisation under Churchill would not have been pretty. Maybe so, but you can’t use that stick to beat him with.
Collymore Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 44 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said: I get the impression the Premier League has unofficially distanced itself from BLM now? They've never come out and said it but I certainly haven't seen it mentioned much. Seems to be more with Kick It Out I think now. I'm pretty sure we had a BLM banner taking up most the west stand didn't we? I'd imagine it was removed for the fans to get back in today.
Nuneatonfox in Manchester Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 (edited) It’s amazing how passionate we all are about ending racism until it’s targeted towards a certain minority community who are currently living in fear in certain areas of the country. The hypocrisy makes me sick. Edited 23 May 2021 by Nuneatonfox in Manchester 1
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, LCFCbwoi said: Stop lying to yourself, as if the fans that booed would be totally fine with it if the message was brought to you by Kick It Out? 😂 I believe they would be
Guest Bert Fill Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 6 minutes ago, splinterdream said: Don't muddle up the US with the United Kingdom, i've no doubt they have racism issues I’m not muddling anything up, thanks for the patronising tone. More black people are killed by police in the US, but it happens here too.
DerbyshireFox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Disappointed but sadly not surprised. It was audible at the cup final and it’s been audible at other premier league games. Made sure I applauded even louder. If you can’t stay quiet for 8 seconds even if it’s something you feel has lost it’s worth or whatever ridiculous reason, then you’ve got issues. Sadly for some that was probably the most vocal they got all game
Mark_w Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, Blue-fox said: Maybe so, but you can’t use that stick to beat him with. Well that's not what I'm doing. I outlined my reason for opposition to him, because he was a racist and imperialist and I strongly disagree with almost everything he stood for. I was just following on from the way the conversation flowed.
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