Unabomber Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, King of Gipsy Lane said: If you can’t see that the booing is the problem not the symbolic gesture of solidarity with all people of colour by taking a knee then it needs to carry on and its course is far from run. Spot on 1
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, Mark_w said: I mean I don't think defacing symbols of racism is a worse way of tackling racism than booing a display of opposition to racism. I’m just stating I don’t think either are good.
KFS Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 So hold on, it’s the ‘defund the police’ part that hit a nerve? That’s what the booing is for? People realise that originated in the US and is a very US statement given they have literal tanks in their police forces? That statement is there to stay stop funding tanks and improve police training, defunding the heavy handed artillery etc they have today. If that’s what the booing is about I’m absolutely baffled given the contrasting factual racism we’ve seen over the last 15 months and even from Slavia Prague this year. Again, is that really boo-worthy or is this under cover racism?? 2
5waller5 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 3 minutes ago, st albans fox said: The excuse that they’re booing the politics of it. Those booing have no respect for the players ... In your opinion. Booing (I'm not sure how else they're meant to express displeasure from a distance) a gesture you don't agree with doesn't mean you have no respect for someone. Look at us - disagreeing in a way that respects the other person's view.
splinterdream Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 You have to ask, the teams and players who have chosen not to take the knee, are they racist?
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 5 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: It's a political organisation, it's very left wing / marxist, some of the leaders of it are fairly unsavoury. I have many reasons - I'm not going to articulate them particularly well as I'm just running a bath and am about to sign off! Making a stand against racism is great, I applaud it. Choosing to associate the message with this organisation taints the message IMHO. Maybe the booing comes from people who don't like the gesture and the organisation or maybe they're overtly racist. I suspect its the former, but I'm not one of them so can't answer that. Booing comes from People who haven’t taken the time to understand ... we need to educate these idiots, in the mean time they need to be told “Boo our players making a stance against oppression and racism and you will be banned” 4
Popular Post Mark_w Posted 23 May 2021 Popular Post Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, splinterdream said: You have to ask, the teams and players who have chosen not to take the knee, are they racist? How can you not see the difference between not doing it and booing it? 6
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 (edited) There was booing at Wembley too. It’s too simple to just say those who are booing are racist. There’s probably a myriad of reasons for those who boo. Some will be racist, yes, but some may be objecting to the politicisation of football. Or because they associate it with the BLM organisation. Or because they’re fed up of having messages pushed on them when they just want to go to the football and forget about the stresses and strains of daily life. Or because they think it’s futile and an empty gesture that detracts from anything of meaningful action being taken. Or because they feel that they’re being told that them just living a good honest life where they don’t racially abuse anyone in their day-to-day is no longer enough. I said exactly the same when the Millwall fans got condemned. If you want to give people the right to take a knee, you have to give people the right to react to it however they choose to. I also said at the time of the Millwall fans getting the stick that there were probably a large proportion of those who booed that were disaffected, white, working-class men who themselves have had inequality of opportunity when it comes to things such as education and job opportunities etc. A group that for the past year has been told they should assume white guilt, they’re privileged, they’re the problem. I have not, and would not, boo the gesture myself. But the fact it’s happening is more nuanced than many of you are willing to understand and throwing blanket accusations of racism don’t get us anywhere. Edited 23 May 2021 by Freeman's Wharfer 4
Dr The Singh Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, Blue-fox said: I’m just stating I don’t think either are good. Why? Taking a knee is a gesture, booing a gesture is wrong 1
Larry_LCFC Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 16 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: Said this all along and I'm near certain this is the case. I get the impression the Premier League has unofficially distanced itself from BLM now? They've never come out and said it but I certainly haven't seen it mentioned much. Seems to be more with Kick It Out I think now.
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, KFS said: So hold on, it’s the ‘defund the police’ part that hit a nerve? That’s what the booing is for? People realise that originated in the US and is a very US statement given they have literal tanks in their police forces? That statement is there to stay stop funding tanks and improve police training, defunding the heavy handed artillery etc they have today. If that’s what the booing is about I’m absolutely baffled given the contrasting factual racism we’ve seen over the last 15 months and even from Slavia Prague this year. Again, is that really boo-worthy or is this under cover racism?? Especially given those booing have very little regard for the police !
5waller5 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, KFS said: So hold on, it’s the ‘defund the police’ part that hit a nerve? That’s what the booing is for? People realise that originated in the US and is a very US statement given they have literal tanks in their police forces? That statement is there to stay stop funding tanks and improve police training, defunding the heavy handed artillery etc they have today. If that’s what the booing is about I’m absolutely baffled given the contrasting factual racism we’ve seen over the last 15 months and even from Slavia Prague this year. Again, is that really boo-worthy or is this under cover racism?? The fact they are booing in a stadium with 1000s of people in suggests it's not "under cover" anything, racism included - so maybe it is the politics of the organisation that introduced the gesture that they disagree with?
Mickyblueeyes Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 People who boo the knee don’t understand the message behind it. Well the message trying to be put across by the players. It’s the same type of people who ask an Abdul or a Mitesh if they call them Andy or Michael because it’s easier for them.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Somebody explain the politics of taking a knee, are the conservatives getting votes?
splinterdream Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, Mark_w said: How can you not see the difference between not doing it and booing it? because both are using whatever platform they have to show they disagree with (not the message) but the way it is being put out. Nobody boo'd when kick racism out of football was promoted
Mark_w Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, splinterdream said: because both are using whatever platform they have to show they disagree with (not the message) but the way it is being put out. Nobody boo'd when kick racism out of football was promoted I'm sure they did. But because Kick It Out don't do moments of silence or gestures there's no opportunity for all the morons to boo at once with everyone else silent. Edited 23 May 2021 by Mark_w 1
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, Dr The Singh said: Why? Taking a knee is a gesture, booing a gesture is wrong I was referring to the fact of booing the knee isn’t a good thing to do, as that is what the players are doing for their part of saying no to racism. however the knee originated from BLM and what they have done in the previous protests in the UK was also wrong. There should be a new gesture that should involve ‘kick it out’ which would have new meaning. I think the social media blackout is the best form personally.
5waller5 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, Larry_LCFC said: I get the impression the Premier League has unofficially distanced itself from BLM now? They've never come out and said it but I certainly haven't seen it mentioned much. Seems to be more with Kick It Out I think now. Yes I think they have too ..... I suspect they will find a new gesture that isn't tainted by the politics of the BLM organisation next season. I'm not sure what that is though as taking the knee is a powerful gesture
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, splinterdream said: because both are using whatever platform they have to show they disagree with (not the message) but the way it is being put out. Nobody boo'd when kick racism out of football was promoted They sniggered but !! Don’t kid yourself likes most clubs in England we have a huge amount of poorly educated inarticulate right leaning white racists in our stands 1
fuchsntf Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said: The booing is shameful. Time for them to stop talking about kicking it out and kick these ****ing idiots out and ban them. Can't imagine what the black players thought, hearing that. Then Next season or in the Euros, Stop the game.Find create Groups of stewards & police ,who can Take Action & throw them out.... And Keep Walking off,& cancel games, cancel tickets, Ban STOs...und Organise a Banner on the Side for the players...."Stop booing or we walk off"..!!....players have time, the fans dont..!! Euefa & Clubs organize a couple of games, without Media information, und if there is any Access of booing, postpone the game until the Next day Shock-tactics...Action.....Not only in football wide across sport....!!! Racism happens in every corner of life, Sport is Not the basic-culprit, but its One of life's Major Information platforms.... Hit hard & DO IT NOW, Not tomorrow..!! Edited 23 May 2021 by fuchsntf 1
5waller5 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 9 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said: A load of bollocks re BLM. This is a cop out. Intelligent debate. 1
foxinsocks Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: Yes I think they have too ..... I suspect they will find a new gesture that isn't tainted by the politics of the BLM organisation next season. I'm not sure what that is though as taking the knee is a powerful gesture I would quite like that crossed arms thing from the black panther movie
Mark_w Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, 5waller5 said: Intelligent debate. What is attributing the values of some BLM supporters to the entire movement and then using that as justification to boo a gesture made by footballers to oppose racism? Clue: it's not intelligent. 2
lcfcdamo Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said: I think taking the knee lost a huge amount of support when it affiliated with BLM which is a pretty toxic group. If they had done it for "Kick It Out" or similar from the start, I think people would be more receptive. That said, every gesture loses its meaning a little bit eventually. Certainly don't agree with the booing. Spot on it doesnt mean your a racist at all if you boo it all it means is people dont agree with the group blm and if people looked into it enough im sure most would think the same Edited 23 May 2021 by lcfcdamo 1
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