Development/Youth Squads 2021/2022 Thread

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Still worth many more opportunities, 5 subs in games would help him in that regard. Sounare has been crap in some games as well but is getting loads of chances. Hopefully KDH gets a cameo at least on Thursday.

So has KDH. he's looked miles off it in the two opportunities he's had. He's half the player praet is. He looked well out of his depth against Brighton and I'm not sure what he is?

 

A holding midfielder or an attacking one? I'm not trying to dig him out I want him to do well but he's miles off soumares ability.

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So has KDH. he's looked miles off it in the two opportunities he's had. He's half the player praet is. He looked well out of his depth against Brighton and I'm not sure what he is?

 

A holding midfielder or an attacking one? I'm not trying to dig him out I want him to do well but he's miles off soumares ability.

He's a box to box midfielder, certainly not a defensive midfielder. He's more Praet than Tielemans type. 

 

He's been very disappointing in those 2 games, he started quite well vs Legia playing in a sort of wide midfield role trying to support the wing back but it didn't work and he got worse as the game went on. 

 

He's got the ability to succeed here I'm sure of it, sadly its difficult to make a name for yourself with only a few opportunities when others get many crap performances to their name and still get picked but football isn't fair. He has to start to show his worth. So far it seems odd to have let Praet go and KDH barely get a game. I know Praet didn't feature much in the latter part of last season but that was a mistake as we have said.

[Foxy-Lady]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He's a box to box midfielder, certainly not a defensive midfielder. He's more Praet than Tielemans type. 

 

He's been very disappointing in those 2 games, he started quite well vs Legia playing in a sort of wide midfield role trying to support the wing back but it didn't work and he got worse as the game went on. 

 

He's got the ability to succeed here I'm sure of it, sadly its difficult to make a name for yourself with only a few opportunities when others get many crap performances to their name and still get picked but football isn't fair. He has to start to show his worth. So far it seems odd to have let Praet go and KDH barely get a game. I know Praet didn't feature much in the latter part of last season but that was a mistake as we have said.

So true this...!!!!    Young players get judged and disregarded so quickly before they've even had chance to find their feet yet more experienced players play equally badly and still get picked (eg Perez!)

Even Vardy struggled when he first came here and that was at championship level yet people continue to judge young/inexperienced players on the basis of 2/3 performances. 

 

KDH may or may not be good enough to establish himself at LCFC.....but i hope for his sake (& all young players!) that he is given more than 2/3 opportunities before folk write him off. 

[Foxes96]

The problem is it’s become harder for young players as we as a club have progressed. When we were more of a mid-table/ bottom half side the likes of KDH, Thomas and Hamza would likely have seen more minutes. However, it’s not just enough to be prem quality players to get into our side anymore. They need to be top 6 standard players which is hard especially for someone so young in their career.
 

I hope we persevere with the likes of KDH and Thomas etc even if they are more rotation options at the minute. As if we are to continually challenge for and compete in Europe we need to maintain and improve upon our club trained quota of players. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

12 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

So true this...!!!!    Young players get judged and disregarded so quickly before they've even had chance to find their feet yet more experienced players play equally badly and still get picked (eg Perez!)

Even Vardy struggled when he first came here and that was at championship level yet people continue to judge young/inexperienced players on the basis of 2/3 performances. 

 

KDH may or may not be good enough to establish himself at LCFC.....but i hope for his sake (& all young players!) that he is given more than 2/3 opportunities before folk write him off. 

Hes had chances and not taken them yet. He looks very much a top end championship player to me so far.

 

We're at such a level now we don't have time to allow him so many chances if he's not at the level, unfortunately that's what top level sport is.

 

We all want him to succeed here but he's very much our 5th/6th centre mid until he proves otherwise.

 

Also perez has been dropped quire regularly for us and has proved in some instances to be useful.

 

Kdh and choudhury combined together to be one of the mosf porous midfields I've seen us have for a long time so I don't think hes pushing for any first team action  just yet. 

Edited 3 November 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[davieG]

They'd get more of a chance as last 20min subs if we were winning games comfortably but while we struggle they'll be lucky to get an appearance other than as a time wasting tactic.

[moore_94]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Hes had chances and not taken them yet. He looks very much a top end championship player to me so far.

 

We're at such a level now we don't have time to allow him so many chances if he's not at the level, unfortunately that's what top level sport is.

 

We all want him to succeed here but he's very much our 5th/6th centre mid until he proves otherwise.

He has had 3 starts so far.

 

He was alright against Millwall, poor at Legia where the whole team was a mess, and against Brighton where he wasn't bad but he wasn't good either.

 

He went a over a month between the Legia and Brighton appearances, of course he isn't just going to come in and play to the top of his game.

Edited 3 November 2021 by moore_94

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

36 minutes ago, davieG said:

They'd get more of a chance as last 20min subs if we were winning games comfortably but while we struggle they'll be lucky to get an appearance other than as a time wasting tactic.

This! If we had done the needed in the first two games of the Europa League, KDH would have been starting in Moscow without much pressure, and tomorrow, too. (and probably against Napoli.) We haven't been able to put games away, meaning those needing minutes can't be brought in for the final 60' for needed time on the pitch.

 

I do think that if he had scored that goal against Brighton, it would have carried him for the rest of the game.

 

(It also shows there needs to be Reserve League football, as opposed to U23 football, but alas, we all think that.)

[An Sionnach]

Reading this and Thomas's thread , it seems that Barnes is the only PL standard player we have brought through since Chilwell. That by any standard is a pretty poor record 

[An Away Move]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So has KDH. he's looked miles off it in the two opportunities he's had. He's half the player praet is. He looked well out of his depth against Brighton and I'm not sure what he is?

 

A holding midfielder or an attacking one? I'm not trying to dig him out I want him to do well but he's miles off soumares ability.

KDH was bang in form in pre-season and looking excellent. I would have liked to have seen him come on for Youri in some games to maintain his momentum and give Youri some rest. He has suffered because of the way he was been managed in the squad IMO. He is a real prospect and he looked like one of our best players pre-season.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

He has had 3 starts so far.

 

He was alright against Millwall, poor at Legia where the whole team was a mess, and against Brighton where he wasn't bad but he wasn't good either.

 

He went a over a month between the Legia and Brighton appearances, of course he isn't just going to come in and play to the top of his game.

Again I thought he was poor against millwall. Too much backwards Nd sideways, no forward running.

 

He was brilliant pre season but as the quality has stepped up he's not looked at it.

[messerschmitt]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Hugely rated by the club. Won't take much progression and/or injuries for him to be in the match day squad in the first team in the next year.

hope so, they have been a few Cb's that looked promising and didn't make it through like Josh Knight and Sam Hughes

[Ric Flair]

KDH was excellent in his cameo vs Norwich, there were two occasions he broke forward with the ball and could have gone alone or had assists had it not been for his teammates. 

 

It's way too early to tell yet with him, I hope we can get him in to more games.

[Foxxed]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

KDH was excellent in his cameo vs Norwich, there were two occasions he broke forward with the ball and could have gone alone or had assists had it not been for his teammates. 

 

It's way too early to tell yet with him, I hope we can get him in to more games.

I worry how much time he’ll get. Barnes came back from loan and pretty much started all our matches, was occasionally hopeless and eventually became an excellent winger. I doubt KDH will get such an opportunity. His position is oversubscribed and too important to our games to give him a persistent chance to improve in the league. Unless Brendan takes him under his wing our Premier League cash will make it more expedient to buy rather than train our own.

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

I worry how much time he’ll get. Barnes came back from loan and pretty much started all our matches, was occasionally hopeless and eventually became an excellent winger. I doubt KDH will get such an opportunity. His position is oversubscribed and too important to our games to give him a persistent chance to improve in the league. Unless Brendan takes him under his wing our Premier League cash will make it more expedient to buy rather than train our own.

Yeah he basically needs to tear it up otherwise he'll not stay here for that long. We'd be better maximising what we'd get for him based on him being one of the best midfielders in the Championship last season, but that wears off the longer he's here. Wouldn't be surprised to see another loan move.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, An Away Move said:

KDH was bang in form in pre-season and looking excellent. I would have liked to have seen him come on for Youri in some games to maintain his momentum and give Youri some rest. He has suffered because of the way he was been managed in the squad IMO. He is a real prospect and he looked like one of our best players pre-season.

So did Bertrand....

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

33 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

KDH was excellent in his cameo vs Norwich, there were two occasions he broke forward with the ball and could have gone alone or had assists had it not been for his teammates. 

 

It's way too early to tell yet with him, I hope we can get him in to more games.

A top end championship side.....

[st albans fox]

KDH looked v fit pre season.  i wonder if that allowed him to stand out ??

[filbertway]

3 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

A top end championship side.....

Christ  the amount of stuff I see you defend and then you're basically willing a lad who's had 2 good loan spells and in his debut season with the club to fail.

 

I wish you were this blunt with some of the dross Rodgers has been serving up haha

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

Christ  the amount of stuff I see you defend and then you're basically willing a lad who's had 2 good loan spells and in his debut season with the club to fail.

 

I wish you were this blunt with some of the dross Rodgers has been serving up haha

I've defended Rodgers because he's demonstrated over time and at several different clubs what a top manager he is.

 

I'm not digging out KDH at all, I was responding to those that claimed he was deserving of more of a chance. My argument is that I haven't seen him operate at a level we need him to yet and I've questioned the decision to let praet go, who is based on what I've seen a far better player. I'm not willing him to fail at all, just saying he doesn't deserve to be near our first team at the minute. 

 

Wouldn't expect you to understand any degree of nuance though.

[davieG]

5 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

just saying he doesn't deserve to be near our first team at the minute. 

When does that 'minute' come because if he's not given a chance to play and develop, and this goes for all graduates then there's no point in them being here as they're too old for the U23s.

 

The only way he can prove his worth is to be given sufficient game time obviously the problem at the moment is the current 1st choice players aren't performing sufficiently well to allow him that opportunity.

 

The problem is not KDH it's the underperforming so called better players.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, davieG said:

When does that 'minute' come because if he's not given a chance to play and develop, and this goes for all graduates then there's no point in them being here as they're too old for the U23s.

 

The only way he can prove his worth is to be given sufficient game time obviously the problem at the moment is the current 1st choice players aren't performing sufficiently well to allow him that opportunity.

 

The problem is not KDH it's the underperforming so called better players.

He needs to take them when he gets them....hes had chances, he's just not taken them yet.

 

Brighton - subbed after 60 mins after being given the run around by someone I'd never heard of. Probably our worst player on the pitch. Him and choudhury had no control of the middle of the pitch.

 

Warsaw - poor all round I'll give you.

 

From what I've seen he's a way off our first four midfielders.

[davieG]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

He needs to take them when he gets them....hes had chances, he's just not taken them yet.

 

Brighton - subbed after 60 mins after being given the run around by someone I'd never heard of. Probably our worst player on the pitch. Him and choudhury had no control of the middle of the pitch.

 

Warsaw - poor all round I'll give you.

 

From what I've seen he's a way off our first four midfielders.

Well of course but even expensive, experienced players can take a while to get up to speed and we tolerate them and say give them time and games and they've been playing top level football in most cases where as KDH has come from the U23s/Championships.

[An Away Move]

4 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So did Bertrand....

And? Then he got Covid, which might well be a good reason for a dip in his level. Illness and lack of game time, in KDH's case, affects match sharpness. Neither are bad players. 

[sacreblueits442]

8 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

He's been very disappointing in those 2 games, he started quite well vs Legia playing in a sort of wide midfield role trying to support the wing back but it didn't work and he got worse as the game went on. 

...if you are not going to play to his strengths then what is the point in playing him!!!

Your assessment that he has been poor in games has come about due to him being hamstrung due to what he has been asked to do. You cannot judge him fairly unless he is playing in the role that suits him.

  I see him as an attacking midfielder, capable of playing in the hole or even a second striker. The KDH that we all watched in the U23s grew up, all he wants is an opportunity to prove it.