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FoxyLeon

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Just now, moore_94 said:

I mean you can hardly blame the injuries to Justin (ACL - bad landing), Fofana (Broken Ankle - bad tackle), Ricardo (ACL - bad tackle) on Rodgers?

 

We are 3 games in playing 1 game a week, there is little yet to actually start rotating players when they can get good recovery time between games

 

We struggled against Norwich with our strongest team available, no reason to think that resting 1 or 2 players would've made us better? What changes would you have made?

 

Chelsea who can easily just bring on Prem experienced £50m+ players? We have no where near the quality of squad depth they do, to suggest we can make the same level of changes to our starting line ups and still expect strong results like them (which we have struggled for even with our strongest 11 so far) is ridiculous

 

At least wait until we have multiple games a week and there is a better reason for him to rotate and especially now he has better depth to use before going off on one.

 

Trevor Chalobah is not a 'Prem experienced £50m+ player'.

 

He's bought in the likes of Soumare/Daka, so he needs to use them.

Kovacic/Pulisic were not 'Prem experienced £50m+ players', they were signed from abroad, and had never played in this league.

 

ACL injuries can actually be heavily influenced by fatigue.

So unlike yourself, I don't see it as a coincidence that two of our least rested players, suffered such an injury.

How about Ndidi being rushed back? Evans? Soyuncu missed a few weeks last season, was brought back, and had to go off injured the same game again.

 

Claiming Rodgers hasn't increased our injury problems, is just false.

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moore_94

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9 minutes ago, FoxyLeon said:

 

Trevor Chalobah is not a 'Prem experienced £50m+ player'.

 

He's bought in the likes of Soumare/Daka, so he needs to use them.

Kovacic/Pulisic were not 'Prem experienced £50m+ players', they were signed from abroad, and had never played in this league.

 

ACL injuries can actually be heavily influenced by fatigue.

So unlike yourself, I don't see it as a coincidence that two of our least rested players, suffered such an injury.

How about Ndidi being rushed back? Evans? Soyuncu missed a few weeks last season, was brought back, and had to go off injured the same game again.

 

Claiming Rodgers hasn't increased our injury problems, is just false.

But they are prem experienced players now? Or has Kovacic not been at Chelsea since 2018, Pulisic since 2019 and Havertz not just finished a full season? Chalobah has also played a full season of top tier french football

 

They can, but those particular injuries were due to the players landing in awkwards positions which itself would have been very likely to cause the injury to any player.

 

I never claimed Rodgers hasn't increased our injury problems, I simply stated that you cannot blame EVERY injury we get on him.

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Just now, FoxyLeon said:

 

Trevor Chalobah is not a 'Prem experienced £50m+ player'.

 

He's bought in the likes of Soumare/Daka, so he needs to use them.

Kovacic/Pulisic were not 'Prem experienced £50m+ players', they were signed from abroad, and had never played in this league.

The weren't but in your example you are comparing Tuchel to Rodgers this season not when Chelsea brought them. 

 

 Kovaic has played 90 PL games, and Pulisic PL 50 games before this season.............

 

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1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

But they are prem experienced players now? Or has Kovacic not been at Chelsea since 2018, Pulisic since 2019 and Havertz not just finished a full season?

 

They can, but those particular injuries were due to the players landing in awkwards positions which itself would have been very likely to cause the injury to any player.

 

I never claimed Rodgers hasn't increased our injury problems, I simply stated that you cannot blame EVERY injury we get on him.

 

I haven't blamed 'every' injury....I've already stated the Fofana one was a complete freak accident.

But ACL injuries, particularly caused when landing, are hugely influenced by fatigue. Also, ACL injury then can cause muscle weakness itself, especially causing future hamstring issues.

 

I can remember Ndidi being injured, I think it was Rodgers's first full season, around Jan/Feb time, and we thought he would be out for months....

He was back within a few weeks, and didn't look right at all.

Soyuncu was rushed back last year, and got injured straight away.

Evans had the issue with his back, and injured it again his first game back.

Justin played pretty much every week last season, in all competitions, there's little doubt in my mind that made his leg weaker.

Look at this season....Vestegaard had no pre-season, was rushed back to a full intensity Wolves game, and training, and has been unavailable since.

 

The problem is, when you rush players back, and they get re-injured and are out longer, you then have to select other players more often and are unable to rotate.....

Resulting in more injuries.

 

Lets see what happens against Napoli.

He needs to rotate there.

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9 minutes ago, FoxyLeon said:

 

I haven't blamed 'every' injury....I've already stated the Fofana one was a complete freak accident.

But ACL injuries, particularly caused when landing, are hugely influenced by fatigue. Also, ACL injury then can cause muscle weakness itself, especially causing future hamstring issues.

 

I can remember Ndidi being injured, I think it was Rodgers's first full season, around Jan/Feb time, and we thought he would be out for months....

He was back within a few weeks, and didn't look right at all.

Soyuncu was rushed back last year, and got injured straight away.

Evans had the issue with his back, and injured it again his first game back.

Justin played pretty much every week last season, in all competitions, there's little doubt in my mind that made his leg weaker.

Look at this season....Vestegaard had no pre-season, was rushed back to a full intensity Wolves game, and training, and has been unavailable since.

 

The problem is, when you rush players back, and they get re-injured and are out longer, you then have to select other players more often and are unable to rotate.....

Resulting in more injuries.

 

Lets see what happens against Napoli.

He needs to rotate there.

 

Anything to back up your comments about ACL injuries as i would be interested in reading them... We have the best doctors and facilities in the world but no one knows how the human body will react until they are tested. 

 

Not sure i would class the Wolves game as intense to be fair and the fact he was at the Euros with Denmark and had similar pre seasons to a massive percentage of the premier league i don't think Rogers can be blamed. 

 

We need to play full strength against Napoli if we want to progress. We need to get the points on the board early and then rotate when the season gets more intense. Some of these players have played 3 (max 4) competitive games in the past 10 weeks or so they need match fitness not a rest!

turtmcfly

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20 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Banger of a goal from Daka (from his Instagram as @turlo linked on the previous page)

 

 

Is that Soumaré who crosses it to him? Lovely technique for that too - can see a bit more of the build up in the tweet below

 

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22 hours ago, goose2010 said:

 

Anything to back up your comments about ACL injuries as i would be interested in reading them... We have the best doctors and facilities in the world but no one knows how the human body will react until they are tested. 

 

Not sure i would class the Wolves game as intense to be fair and the fact he was at the Euros with Denmark and had similar pre seasons to a massive percentage of the premier league i don't think Rogers can be blamed. 

 

We need to play full strength against Napoli if we want to progress. We need to get the points on the board early and then rotate when the season gets more intense. Some of these players have played 3 (max 4) competitive games in the past 10 weeks or so they need match fitness not a rest!

 

But how do you know that 'full strength against Napoli', wouldn't include rotation?

 

For me, given their experience of Europe, 'Full strength' would mean Rodgers finding a place for Daka and Soumare.

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Just now, Tielemans63 said:

Must wonder what the **** he has to do to even get a few minutes on the pitch.

Never helps when circumstances mean your CB can only manage 60 minutes. I think he would have been on if that wasn't the case. Fully expect him to start on Thursday night

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Just now, Tielemans63 said:

Must wonder what the **** he has to do to even get a few minutes on the pitch.

You do realise we are only allowed 3 subs don’t you?

Kel is quite rightly ahead of him at the moment. He’ll get his chance

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Don't expect him/Soumare to have walked straight into the first XI but how are they supposed to adapt to this league when they can't even get 10mins off the bench? 

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moore_94

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1 minute ago, Tielemans63 said:

Must wonder what the **** he has to do to even get a few minutes on the pitch.

Who do you bring him on for in that match and where do you play him?

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thought Lookman and Nacho were the right two subs to make. If we had another sub left it would've been Daka with 10 mins to go when Vardys legs had gone

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7 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

He'll start on Thursday against Napoli. Book it.

I think for the sake of his mentality that's almost a must at this point, whether Rodgers intends to take Europa more seriously than he did last season or not.

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