Sowah (Loan)

[coolhandfox]

22 minutes ago, Collymore said:

It's so hard to make it here with the midfield we have isn't it? I remember King bursting on to the scene as a young teenager, don't get me wrong, he looked good, but we were so bad collectively that he was given time to grow. 

 

I don't think AK would have that opportunity now if he was coming through. KDH is a predicament but I feel BR is aware of his capabilities and is managing the situation. 

 

Sowah is more frustrating because the position is a glaring weakness of ours. If we had 2 established RWs fighting for a place we probably wouldn't even be discussing him. 

 

 

 

That's our problem, where do you find a midfield players who are better then Tielemans, Ndidi and Maddison when they are fit and firing. 

 

I think it has taken us a while to get our head around how to develop players at this level, we seem to be more proactive now at getting player out on loan at the right level.

 

We have developed some top quality players over the last 3-4 years, Chilwell, Barnes, Thomas. For KDH its sink or swim time at PL level, he shown he is more then good enough for the Championship and he need to be tested at a higher level.

 

Sowah is an interesting one, he's shown he is a talent, maybe they feel a loan will help him get use to playing in England. He 21 similar age to Barnes when he went WBA. Maybe the club/BR feel we need someone more tried an test at this moment in time. 

 

I think he only goes on loan if we get a RW in. 

Edited 21 August 2021 by coolhandfox

[Ric Flair]

47 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Maybe but it could be that he learn't what it takes to be a first team player in his time at Luton.

 

I think he's time a luton help him mature and become a better player, it will stand us in good stead for the future.

 

I like him to play the Youri role in some of the cup games and EL.

 

We are going to have to replace him at some point, would be good to see what he can do. 

I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone on loan to Luton but rather recalled in January. Sadly I think the recall option was the day before Praet did his hamstring. KDH was ready, the 1st half of last season he was unbelievable at Luton and then seemed to coast a but before finishing the season really well. He'd have gotten games here how it all transpired but we now have a very good player on our hands.

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone on loan to Luton but rather recalled in January. Sadly I think the recall option was the day before Praet did his hamstring. KDH was ready, the 1st half of last season he was unbelievable at Luton and then seemed to coast a but before finishing the season really well. He'd have gotten games here how it all transpired but we now have a very good player on our hands.

Which explains everything, if Praet does he hamstring a week earlier he come back. 

[MrsJohnMurphy]

4 hours ago, CloudFox said:

What makes you say that?

Because he doesn't want Pearson to be  successful 

[moore_94]

I was hoping he would get more of a chance this season but currently it looks like he pretty far down the pecking order, and if we do sign a new right winger then he has even less chance of getting games

 

Hopefully get him a loan to one of the better teams in the Championship where he can play every week and hopefully have the same kind of impact that Barnes was able to have for WBA

Edited 21 August 2021 by moore_94

[Ric Flair]

41 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I was hoping he would get more of a chance this season but currently it looks like he pretty far down the pecking order, and if we do sign a new right winger then he has even less chance of getting games

 

Hopefully get him a loan to one of the better teams in the Championship where he can play every week and hopefully have the same kind of impact that Barnes was able to have for WBA

Must be pretty demoralising to not have a shot at some game time when thr benchmark to overcome is Ayoze Perez. Needs to keep progressing on loan it seems.

[Pliskin]

I would keep him. That right side will forever prevent us getting into the top four, so we may as well give him a go! 

Edited 21 August 2021 by Pliskin

[vanity]

6 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Still think there will come a time this season where he will be needed, and if we don't get another winger in then it will be scandalous to let him go.

 

He doesn't take up any room in either the 25 man PL squad or the EL squad I don't think? We already have a massive squad to trim down and he's a bonus maverick player in competitions we can now name 9 subs or 12 in the EL.

 

That said a season on loan in the Championship would be interesting and it gives us flair seeking fans another interest as there'll be scant chance of seeing much down the City this season.

You may well be right, but what if we send Sowah off w a recall clause that allows us to get him back in the winter window? A half-season starting in the lower leagues would almost certainly be better for his development than getting the odd scraps + u23. Seems the best way to learn what we really have with him, and if he is good, we can bring him back and give him some.time in January, when we could do with some reinforcements.

Edited 21 August 2021 by vanity

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, vanity said:

You may well be right, but what if we send Sowah off w a recall clause that allows us to get him back in the winter window? A half-season starting in the lower leagues would almost certainly be better for his development than getting the odd scraps + u23. Seems the best way to learn what we really have with him, and if he is good, we can bring him back and give him some.time in January, when we could do with some reinforcements.

He'll be away for all of January with Ghana so at AFCON. Not so sure that will be of interest to the club. His best opportunity is the 1st half of this season with the league Cup and EL.

[Foxxed]

15 hours ago, Lesta2014 said:

Rogers quoted saying he’d get limited game time. Loan in England be good for him and hopefully follow KDH route.

I guess Maswanhise will be getting all the right wing game time, rotated with Albrighton...

[Sly]

12 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Must be pretty demoralising to not have a shot at some game time when thr benchmark to overcome is Ayoze Perez. Needs to keep progressing on loan it seems.

Sowah isn’t as good as Perez. Showing potential in an average Belgium league, that is not as strong as the Championship, doesn’t mean he’s ready for the Premier League. 

 

[smudger63]

5 hours ago, Foxxed said:

I guess Maswanhise will be getting all the right wing game time, rotated with Albrighton...

I doubt it, as Maswanhise played on the left in pre season, and is probably being seen as purely a development player this season. What I would say is, I expect he made a far bigger impression than Sowah with Rodgers in the game time he was given during pre season.  I was really impressed with him personally.  I know it's difficult during pre season because of the squad rotation and the nature of the games, but Sowah really didn't make much of an impression on me in his game time, I was a little disappointed in his performances to be honest. I think a season on loan at a decent championship club would hopefully benefit Sowah and us.

[Webbo]

People on here get over excited by certain players on very little evidence. I saw Sowah play for Lueven last season and never thought he was quite our standard yet. 

 

The same with KDH, some were talking about him replacing Tielemans, I just don't see it, not this year anyway. 

[Ric Flair]

None of us know whether Sowah is good enough yet. The Belgian league produces some very good players who succeed in the PL but its obviously a step down from the Prem.

 

What we do know though is in the last 2 seasons there have been spells of the seasons where we badly need attacking options and our squad as a whole lacks pace out wide so with the luxury of being able to name 9 subs in the PL and 12 subs in Europe it's tempting to keep him here. He also doesn't take up a spot in the PL squad (not sure on EL)

 

That said a season in England in the Championship may aid his progression further but its an area of obvious weakness for us and its hard to have any sympathy for us if we need a winger again like we badly needed last season.

[An Sionnach]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

None of us know whether Sowah is good enough yet. The Belgian league produces some very good players who succeed in the PL but its obviously a step down from the Prem.

 

What we do know though is in the last 2 seasons there have been spells of the seasons where we badly need attacking options and our squad as a whole lacks pace out wide so with the luxury of being able to name 9 subs in the PL and 12 subs in Europe it's tempting to keep him here. He also doesn't take up a spot in the PL squad (not sure on EL)

 

That said a season in England in the Championship may aid his progression further but its an area of obvious weakness for us and its hard to have any sympathy for us if we need a winger again like we badly needed last season.

I agree that a loan might help his development but too often our loanees end up on the bench and become bit part players. For me , training with the PL squad , under the eye of Rodgers is more likely to help him. Rodgers is a specialist with young players so he can continually assess him and use him when he thinks Sowah is ready.

[coolhandfox]

23 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

None of us know whether Sowah is good enough yet. The Belgian league produces some very good players who succeed in the PL but its obviously a step down from the Prem.

 

What we do know though is in the last 2 seasons there have been spells of the seasons where we badly need attacking options and our squad as a whole lacks pace out wide so with the luxury of being able to name 9 subs in the PL and 12 subs in Europe it's tempting to keep him here. He also doesn't take up a spot in the PL squad (not sure on EL)

 

That said a season in England in the Championship may aid his progression further but its an area of obvious weakness for us and its hard to have any sympathy for us if we need a winger again like we badly needed last season.

Shame that because of a European commitments we didn't have a League cup 2 round game, would have been a good chance to see him in action. 

Edited 22 August 2021 by coolhandfox

[messerschmitt]

3 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

I agree that a loan might help his development but too often our loanees end up on the bench and become bit part players. For me , training with the PL squad , under the eye of Rodgers is more likely to help him. Rodgers is a specialist with young players so he can continually assess him and use him when he thinks Sowah is ready.

 

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

None of us know whether Sowah is good enough yet. The Belgian league produces some very good players who succeed in the PL but its obviously a step down from the Prem.

 

What we do know though is in the last 2 seasons there have been spells of the seasons where we badly need attacking options and our squad as a whole lacks pace out wide so with the luxury of being able to name 9 subs in the PL and 12 subs in Europe it's tempting to keep him here. He also doesn't take up a spot in the PL squad (not sure on EL)

 

That said a season in England in the Championship may aid his progression further but its an area of obvious weakness for us and its hard to have any sympathy for us if we need a winger again like we badly needed last season.

I can see both sides to this TBH, would Thomas have progressed as much as he has on loan, I can't remember seeing a player progress as much as he has. Would prefer to see Sowah here and see what he can do. I guess some players progress by going away and getting game time while others by getting thrown in at the deep end, sink or swim.

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Shame that because of a European coomitment we didn't have a League cup 2 round game, would have been a good chance to see him in action. 

I'd rather we keep him up until Xmas and then loan him out in Jan if needs be. He will possibly miss all of January if Ghana call him up for AFCON but there would still be clubs want him for Feb to May and who knows, in the cups and if needs be the league he might force his way in. It really wouldn't be that much of a mammoth task given Perez got 2 goals and 1 assist last season and Albrighton bless him will never be a regular goal provider.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Would imagine he only gets loaned if someone comes in. Same with Benkovic.

Edited 22 August 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[sphericalfox]

Sowah might have seen some game time this season, be it limited with a cup run. However, Marc signed a new deal, and is the cover we require. Despite all the fervour of negativity, I still believe we'll bring in a RW player. It might well be a case that if the person(s) that are top of our list become available due to cost or their club willing to part with them, that we'll have a temporary option lined up again. Whilst the latter isn't ideal, sending Kamal out on loan would suggest that we're either closer to a new signing than just 'happy with what we've got'.

[Ric Flair]

10 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Would imagine he only gets loaned if someone comes in. Same with Benkovic.

I really hope so, would be unforgivable if not after what's happened to us in the last few seasons.

[dbtcity]

14 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

 

I can see both sides to this TBH, would Thomas have progressed as much as he has on loan, I can't remember seeing a player progress as much as he has. Would prefer to see Sowah here and see what he can do. I guess some players progress by going away and getting game time while others by getting thrown in at the deep end, sink or swim.

I think the difference is we were down to the bare bones and absolutely desperate so Thomas was chucked in at the deep end and has seen plenty of game time as a result… Sowah on the other hand as desperate as we all are for a RW still looks like he’ll be behind Perez and Albrighton in the pecking order then if we do sign another RW he gets even lower down the list! For me first team competitive football at a decent standard is essential for these young lads in growing and in turn progressing as professionals, look at Barnes, KDH and Chilwell… for me if they just hung around playing U23s football and training with the first team they never would’ve progressed as quickly as they did/have

Edited 22 August 2021 by dbtcity

[Gerard]

12 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Would imagine he only gets loaned if someone comes in. Same with Benkovic.

 

I think a player who got his goals and assists in top flight Belgium football last season will always have offers in the Championship.

[The People's Hero]

I think is Sowah goes anywhere, its back to Leuven, to help them out for a bit.

 

Perhaps even Maswanhise too, if they are lacking in options out wide.

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, dbtcity said:

I think the difference is we were down to the bare bones and absolutely desperate so Thomas was chucked in at the deep end and has seen plenty of game time as a result… Sowah on the other hand as desperate as we all are for a RW still looks like he’ll be behind Perez and Albrighton in the pecking order then if we do sign another RW he gets even lower down the list! For me first team competitive football at a decent standard is essential for these young lads in growing and in turn progressing as professionals, look at Barnes, KDH and Chilwell… for me if they just hung around playing U23s football and training with the first team they never would’ve progressed as quickly as they did/have

We have 3 wingers on our books and one of them isn't even a winger in Perez. This is every bit as desperate as our full back situation last season was.