Match Ratings: West Ham 4-1 Leicester City - Vote Now

[TMELcfc]

Can’t believe people are arguing about whether N’Didi or Thomas or Soyuncu were bad, every single one of them including the manager were awful tonight and deserved nothing but 0’s. 

Can’t take many more performances of centre backs passing sideways - seen too many of these over the years. This surely isn’t ‘the tactical master plan’? 

Edited 24 August 2021 by lcfceaves

[Dan]

6 hours ago, ttfn said:

Relative to the quality of player and team we have that was one of the worst performances I can remember since we lost 4-2 at home to Newcastle literally 5 games ago.

I think that's the most galling thing about us. It's that for a team that often proves that it can be so good, it goes so far the other way too many times.

 

West Ham won't have an easier game all season. Clowns.

[Daggers]

6 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

Ndidi is teflon around here.  He's often good, but tonight he was putrid.

Was it a promotion night on sake last night?

[Scanchez]

You know the manager confidence thing (88%), does that mean 12% of people who voted actually want Rodgers to be sacked?

It does ask you if the manager should stay or go.

I just get the feeling if we were to lose the next game half of our fans would want him gone. Is that the case? We seem incredibly quick to adore the team and coach and then to quickly want blood.

Or are people just in a huff because we were rubbish so they just mark all players as a 1 and say they want the manager gone?

It wasn't that long ago that we won the FA Cup and Community Shield.
. 

[Chrysalis]

I over scored every player.  

[Steve Earle]

5s just about everywhere and I feel I'm being generous. Not for Soyuncu & Perez, obvs!

[Silebyfox_89]

Kasper, Youri and Thomas only ones with credit from that game.

[Raw Dykes]

3 hours ago, Scanchez said:

You know the manager confidence thing (88%), does that mean 12% of people who voted actually want Rodgers to be sacked?

It does ask you if the manager should stay or go.

I just get the feeling if we were to lose the next game half of our fans would want him gone. Is that the case? We seem incredibly quick to adore the team and coach and then to quickly want blood.

Or are people just in a huff because we were rubbish so they just mark all players as a 1 and say they want the manager gone?

It wasn't that long ago that we won the FA Cup and Community Shield.
. 

I think there might be a lot of people who don't understand that question. I've seen comments by people who think it means you're meant to base your decision to sack the manager based on just this one match in isolation, and forget everything that went before. No idea why.

[drofmor55]

Ndidi was poor on the ball..looked nervous every time he had the ball at his feet

Soyoncu and Amartey passing it back and forwards between themselves were because Youri and Maddison were too high up the pitch,they should have come back and made themselves available.

Kasper made two great saves and couldnt be faulted for any of their goals.

Rice was impressive ,next England captain.

[Always Next Year]

14 hours ago, happy85 said:

Luke Thomas 🤦‍♂️

To lightweight 

[happy85]

2 hours ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Kasper, Youri and Thomas only ones with credit from that game.

Thomas - one of his worst games

[Semper Eadem Exile]

Bad day at the office against a decent team but there are a good half a dozen sides better than West Ham who will exploit last night’s weaknesses if repeated.Let’s hope lessons are learned. Always disappointing when we are outfought, outmuscled and the other team seem to ‘want it more.’ ( this was apparent prior t Perez being sent off )

[The boy Linacre]

Somebody tell me the last time Maddison was really at it for at least 2 games in a row?

Barnes has been poor in the league on his return.

Amartey was actually ok, but Cags saved one up for last night!!  Thomas bullied, Ricky couldn’t get out, Wilf not his best, Vards no service.

Aside from that poor!

 

[lcfcbluearmy]

17 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Gave Perez a 10 just to wind everyone up.

I did the same

[lcfcbluearmy]

4 hours ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Kasper, Youri and Thomas only ones with credit from that game.

I thought youri had a poor game by his standards.

[sacreblueits442]

17 hours ago, Sampson said:

Where have I said anyone should replace him or that he's a one man team? You're making a completely different argument.

I think he's a great player, I'm just saying when he does have a very poor game (as he has in both league games so far) people still rate him (relatively) highly on here for that individual match in a way they don't afford to other players. When he has really poor games, people just seem to say "it was average, but better than most of the dross" because it didn't lead directly to goals (because he has the defence behind him), even if he was overrun far more than any other player on the pitch as he was today.

He was just as poor as Soyuncu or Thomas tonight and deserves to be rated as such for this game, that's all I'm saying, he certainly was not "better than the dross" tonight, he absolutely was just as much a part of the dross as anyone. That doesn't mean I want him dropped or want Mendy or Soumare to replace him.

....he does appear to be playing more on the front foot and pushed up further up the pitch!!!

He likes to play on his own in an instinctive manner and that cannot be taught. It was obvious that we needed the extra man in the middle against Rice and Soucek with the energy, intelligence and physicality they bring. It was a bad setup from the start.

[Sampson]

34 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....he does appear to be playing more on the front foot and pushed up further up the pitch!!!

He likes to play on his own in an instinctive manner and that cannot be taught. It was obvious that we needed the extra man in the middle against Rice and Soucek with the energy, intelligence and physicality they bring. It was a bad setup from the start.

And this is my point. Every time Ndidi has a bad game, people always jump at first port of call to blame something else and fall over themselves to come up with excuses rather than calling his performance poor. No other player is afforded that. Every player has bad games, even Messi, but for some reason, some of our fans just can never admit Ndidi ever has one. That doesn't mean I don't think he's a great player, just that sometimes our fans won't ever admit he has poor performances like everyone else does.

Even if everything you say is true, it doesn't stop the fact Ndidi made several extremely poor decisions and his positioning and on the ball were both poor last night.

Edited 24 August 2021 by Sampson

[18to18]

BR has no clue how to set up against West Ham.  They are his bogey club.  When they visit, I hope he goes with the 11 biggest lads he can find and asks them to play rugby.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

I am still angry about last night's no show. Why? Because it was entirely predictable and went as I feared and Rodgers did nothing to heed the warnings beforehand. Tactically he was a 0. We knew West Ham would try to bully us but also allow us to play keep ball deep in our own half. The game was crying out for a more physical midfielder like Soumare to come back and help the centre backs out in getting the ball forward. Youri and Wilf failed to do so, whilst Maddison and Perez were adrift upfield. Then Kasper continued to roll or tap it out almost every time to Soyuncu or Amartey when actually a long kick upfield might well gave forced them back and given our players ball to move onto. Passive, slow, afraid and our defence split from the midfield with no way forward with the ball. Exactly like the last two West Ham games and Rodgers did naff all to address it. 

Edited 24 August 2021 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[Carl the Llama]

I'm surprised that Perez has the lowest average score seeing how many people were arguing that he shouldn't have been sent off.   Until that point he was one of our less terrible performers.  Feel like Caglar's getting away with one a bit there.

[foxfan92]

16 hours ago, Scanchez said:

You know the manager confidence thing (88%), does that mean 12% of people who voted actually want Rodgers to be sacked?

It does ask you if the manager should stay or go.

I just get the feeling if we were to lose the next game half of our fans would want him gone. Is that the case? We seem incredibly quick to adore the team and coach and then to quickly want blood.

Or are people just in a huff because we were rubbish so they just mark all players as a 1 and say they want the manager gone?

It wasn't that long ago that we won the FA Cup and Community Shield.
. 

This is Foxestalk 

 

A place full of sensible, rational minded individuals, with no hint of an overreaction from anyone on here.

[NaijaFox]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

I'm surprised that Perez has the lowest average score seeing how many people were arguing that he shouldn't have been sent off.   Until that point he was one of our less terrible performers.  Feel like Caglar's getting away with one a bit there.

Both viewpoints are neither contradictory nor mutually exclusive.

[NaijaFox]

8 hours ago, Sampson said:

And this is my point. Every time Ndidi has a bad game, people always jump at first port of call to blame something else and fall over themselves to come up with excuses rather than calling his performance poor. No other player is afforded that. Every player has bad games, even Messi, but for some reason, some of our fans just can never admit Ndidi ever has one. That doesn't mean I don't think he's a great player, just that sometimes our fans won't ever admit he has poor performances like everyone else does.

Even if everything you say is true, it doesn't stop the fact Ndidi made several extremely poor decisions and his positioning and on the ball were both poor last night.

Or perhaps other people genuinely have a different opinion of his performance. 

[Carl the Llama]

1 minute ago, NaijaFox said:

Both viewpoints are neither contradictory nor mutually exclusive.

No, but if you think he shouldn't have been sent off and therefore wouldn't be holding that incident against him then you're putting a lot of emphasis on his time on the pitch being particularly shambolic which given some of the other stuff that happened is very harsh.

[NaijaFox]

2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

No, but if you think he shouldn't have been sent off and therefore wouldn't be holding that incident against him then you're putting a lot of emphasis on his time on the pitch being particularly shambolic which given some of the other stuff that happened is very harsh.

Not my personal opinion, mind (I thought he was just as pedestrian as almost everyone else), but theoretically a player could be poor and still be unfairly red-carded. 

 

Edited 25 August 2021 by NaijaFox