Our league record since the end of February

[Corky]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Sorry but I'm constantly told we've got the best owners, "World class" training ground, a great manager, "the best squad we've ever had"... Why should I not expect? 

I think he means that, at present, the fans and the club are viewing things differently. There's a fair amount of talk on here of Rodgers being under pressure, needs to go etc but I don't believe the club are hugely concerned.

 

We've also proved ourselves capable of getting on a winning run of four/ five games before and the table is still tight so any run will boost us significantly. The stats aren't great, nor are they horrendous.

[Ric Flair]

46 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

How about if we're picking random moments in time we pick our record since Rodgers has been in charge?

To be fair, overall record counts for very little if there's a lengthy slump. Right now, the man has earned the right to continue as the one to take us forward as he's got us 2 5th place finishes and won the FA Cup, but if we finish 14th this season and we've averaged best part of 1.2-1.4 points a game for over a season, then i'll be seriously questioning whether it's the end of the road. 

 

I am a little perturbed the longer he is here, the more unsuited these players appear to be to what he is asking them to do, or his effectiveness is wearing off and once that happens it's a battle to regain the midas touch without huge changes. But that's what I think we may need, I feel we are in transition. Some posters have asked what players have we signed under Rodgers that have improved the squad, I assume they mean starting XI as the squad right now appears to be the strongest it's ever been when everyone is fit but the reason there's perhaps only 1 or 2 signings made by him that have improved the XI is because our XI for a club like ours was/is immovable.

 

At the start of the 2019/20 season the starting XI was: 

 

Schmeichel

 

Ricardo

Evans

Soyuncu

Chilwell

 

Ndidi

Tielemans

 

Perez

Maddison

Barnes

 

Vardy

 

The only positions that XI could have been improved realistically was CB and RW, we got Fofana and RW continues to be a blind spot of ours but Lookman does seem a better fit.

 

Unless the club view some of our other starting players as no longer the future of this team then we were never going to sign a host of better players, instead we've brought in players like Soumare and Daka who will in time replace two of our most influential players. That said I do think things are going a little stale and with the contract situation for Cags, Youri and Riccy I think there'll be a bigger overhaul than usual this summer. I'd also be looking at whether Maddison is at a point where we should go our separate ways. The defence needs a big bit of focus too.

[Matt]

 

I see no problems here.

[Fox92]

26 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Because football is played on grass not paper. Great manager & best squad we've ever had doesn't mean it's better than everyone else's squads or is entitled to finish in the top 6. Spurs are 8th, 2 points off 4th spot and yet booed their team & manager off the pitch yesterday for losing to United. There are about 6 or 7 teams all of a similar stature to us, all wanting to nick that fourth spot. There needs to be some acceptance that we're going to have spells and even seasons where we don't make the grade otherwise we'll just keep recycling managers without seeing any particular improvement.

As someone once said "It's possible to make no mistakes and still lose. That is not a fault, it's just life"

So we haven't got that good of a squad then? Weird because pre season everybody talks us up and comparing us to the likes of Arsenal and Spurs. One minute I'm told we've a better squad than Arsenal, now I'm seeing we haven't apparently.

 

We are not good enough for 4th and neither are teams that are similar stature to us. Top 3 are much better than the rest and I still can't see any other side apart from Manchester United getting 4th. West Ham I think are better than us.

 

I think there is acceptance we won't "make the grade" but what is frustrating people is the same things week in week out without changing.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

His Premier League record with us

 

 

1.66 PPG over a 38 game season is 63 points

 

Since we have been back in the Prem that amount of points would finish: 6th, 6th, 7th, 6th, 7th, 5th, 7th

Not that bad is it really.

Edited 31 October 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[1972 Fox]

31 minutes ago, Gordon the Great said:

A close equal 3rd with Mr Wallington I fancy!

I'd probably have Kasper just ahead of Wallington, behind Banks and Shilton.

 

Agree that 'He's not bald' was great for us though.

 

Edited 31 October 2021 by Blue Fox 72

[Koke]

We need a new CAM. If Maddison doesn't pull his finger out this season, then we need to replace him next summer. He's been carried for a while. A long while. Soyuncu is heading into Maddison territory rapidly as well. Next summer we need to move on certain players, get in new blood, and go again. And I'm not saying Rodgers needs to go but even managers have a shelf life. It's his 3rd year here. Things look stale. 

[Innovindil]

Need to go back to basics. Offer pizza for a clean sheet or summat. 

[Ric Flair]

15 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Not that bad is it really.

He's got us hitting heights we've never hit bar the season we completed football. Not only that but he's got us winning games scoring 4/5/9 on multiple occasions and won 8 league games on the spin. He's got the ability to help us do things others around us can't but as I previously said, the longer He's here, the less that's happening and the effectiveness with this core group maybe wearing off. So we either do an overhaul at the end of the season if this slump remains or he will look to leave/be pushed. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

He's up there yes, but I'm not sure @Gordon the Great would agree that Kasper is our greatest.

I was talking about Leicester’s greatest ever keeper, not the greatest keeper to play for Leicester 

[1972 Fox]

1 minute ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I was talking about Leicester’s greatest ever keeper, not the greatest keeper to play for Leicester 

Fair enough. I suppose there is a subtle difference.

[Les-TA-Jon]

Just now, Blue Fox 72 said:

Fair enough. I suppose there is a subtle difference.

If we’re talking who’s been the better keeper for Leicester, there’s no contest between Kasper and Banks 

[Matt_Lcfc]

2 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I think a lot of fans think we are better than we are. Overachieving for two seasons, challenging the Top 4 does not mean we are a Top 4 team. Far from it. We are a mid table team. Our expectation is to challenge the Top 7 places most seasons but realise that there are other teams just as good as us doing the same.

 

I don' expect us to qualify for Europe often, we have been spoilt in last 5/6 years.

I disagree with this. We should expect better, we’ve got world class training facilities, a very good manager and some excellent players. Let’s face it, clubs like Arsenal, Spurs and probably United would take Rodgers in a heartbeat. Players too, most of our first eleven would get into most teams in the league and I really don’t think I’m deluded by saying that. 
 

I think where we view ourselves historically often clouds judgement as to where we should be at this moment in time.

[when_you're_smiling]

5 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

I disagree with this. We should expect better, we’ve got world class training facilities, a very good manager and some excellent players. Let’s face it, clubs like Arsenal, Spurs and probably United would take Rodgers in a heartbeat. Players too, most of our first eleven would get into most teams in the league and I really don’t think I’m deluded by saying that. 
 

I think where we view ourselves historically often clouds judgement as to where we should be at this moment in time.

Well yes, but you’ve also not mentioned that many clubs, including those you name, still have much bigger finances and therefore should have bigger and better squads. Arsenal brought a £75m player off the bench yesterday.

[Matt_Lcfc]

8 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Well yes, but you’ve also not mentioned that many clubs, including those you name, still have much bigger finances and therefore should have bigger and better squads. Arsenal brought a £75m player off the bench yesterday.

Yes, but finances are not synonymous to good players though. How many times have we seen traditional ‘top six’ clubs waste ridiculous amounts on players through lazy recruitment? 
 

The fundamental reason behind us competing is that we have recruited well and subsequently built a very good side. Finances are quite irrelevant if you don’t have the right people in charge for signings.

[Foxxed]

There's too many players who don't seem up for it. And I'm not sure how motivated Rodger's is in his third season here. I reckon we'll finish mid-table, hopefully have a decent run in Europa, say goodbye to a few big names and get a new manager next season.

[when_you're_smiling]

9 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

Yes, but finances are not synonymous to good players though. How many times have we seen traditional ‘top six’ clubs waste ridiculous amounts on players through lazy recruitment? 
 

The fundamental reason behind us competing is that we have recruited well and subsequently built a very good side. Finances are quite irrelevant if you don’t have the right people in charge for signings.

But the top clubs can waste ridiculous amounts because they can afford to splash out and make more mistakes than a clubs of our size.

 

You look at our percentage of wages to income and we really can’t have spent much more. We’re almost playing to different rules financially and doing well to stay in the hunt, thanks to great recruitment, the atmosphere created over the last 10-years and  the management in the last few years. 

[Guest Col city fan]

I do get the feeling now that Rodgers rules the roost and is in some ways ‘untouchable’

He’s got lots of credit in the bank for what he’s achieved.

But no manager should ever be beyond criticism and it is right to say that LCFC during 2021 have been very average.

The injuries have been unfortunate, but as @Babylon said (one of the most sensible posters on here btw), we also looked very poor defensively at times when Fofana was in the side 

Rodgers has got to sort the team out defensively imo. This is his biggest challenge. We must stop leaking goals

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

He's got us hitting heights we've never hit bar the season we completed football. Not only that but he's got us winning games scoring 4/5/9 on multiple occasions and won 8 league games on the spin. He's got the ability to help us do things others around us can't but as I previously said, the longer He's here, the less that's happening and the effectiveness with this core group maybe wearing off. So we either do an overhaul at the end of the season if this slump remains or he will look to leave/be pushed. 

This is a very Pochettino / Spurs mentality. He might have a blip this season but honestly we'll struggle to get anywhere near as good. We've had more bad spells than good spells under him. More than confident he'll sort this.

Edited 31 October 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[Les-TA-Jon]

17 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

This is a very Pochettino / Spurs mentality. He might have a blip this season but honestly we'll struggle to get anywhere near as good. We've had more bad spells than good spells under him. More than confident he'll sort this.

Did you mean more good spells than bad? 

[HighPeakFox]

I find this thread wholly depressing I must say. It rather reinforces the notion that some people are always itching to find fault, or see the worst in any situation, and it always tends to be badly affected by recent defeat.

[iancognito]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

So we haven't got that good of a squad then? Weird because pre season everybody talks us up and comparing us to the likes of Arsenal and Spurs. One minute I'm told we've a better squad than Arsenal, now I'm seeing we haven't apparently.

 

We are not good enough for 4th and neither are teams that are similar stature to us. Top 3 are much better than the rest and I still can't see any other side apart from Manchester United getting 4th. West Ham I think are better than us.

 

I think there is acceptance we won't "make the grade" but what is frustrating people is the same things week in week out without changing.

No we have got a good squad, definitely our best in terms of depth and quality but my point is that doesn't mean it will automatically beat other teams or that its better than other teams. And yes I'm sick of the line about not enough intensity from the off or not having the right tempo. If it keeps happening then start putting a firework or two up the rrses of the players guilty of it. There's no room for favourites or carrying players in a squad like this. If Maddison isn't performing, get KDH in there and bench the guy. Soyuncu giving it away again? Put Castagne in the back 3 and drop him. The "best squad" only works if we've got genuine competition for places.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Winning the FA Cup papered over a lot of cracks. And no I'm not saying that wasn't a great thing before the usual ****** jump on me.

[Sharpe's Fox]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I do get the feeling now that Rodgers rules the roost and is in some ways ‘untouchable’

Get the sense that Rodgers is the first proper 'manager' we have had since Pearson in that his presence is felt across the club at all layers. I also feel the job is his until he decides to leave which he inevitably will.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Did you mean more good spells than bad? 

Yes!