Our league record since the end of February

[NaijaFox]

1 hour ago, ttfn said:

23 games is not an “oscillation in form” it’s a protracted downturn, it’s 60% of a season and what’s more it’s a downturn that’s part of a greater trend downwards since Rodgers made an incredible start to his time with us.

 

Since he signed his new contract at the end of 2019 (nearly 2 years ago) we’ve taken 107 points from 71 games at 1.5 ppg. Over a season that’s a 57 point season, enough for 8th, 7th and 7th in the last 3 seasons. Nobody should be surprised that we’re 10th averaging 1.4ppg, we’ve been performing to roughly this level for nearly 2 years now. 

How did we do in the 23 games preceding our closing run in our Great Escape season? 

 

Anyway, merely wondered why extract a seemingly random period of games, and you seem to have clarified that it's to propagate an anti-Brendan agendum (which frankly I am entirely indifferent to). Thanks buddy.

 

Edited 31 October 2021 by NaijaFox

[NaijaFox]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I'd agree if this slump wasn't spanning a 1/3 of last season and over a quarter of this season. Otherwise when Ranieri had us nosediving off a cliff in 16/17, if you'd measured us from Feb 16 to Feb 17 we'd have been top 6 still I'd imagine? Now that was obviously a bigger extreme and we were properly in the shit, but let's not claim this slump is only a bunch of games, it's over half a seasons worth! 

The distortion would be substantively similar if one chose the first 23 games of last season (similarly "over a half season's worth").

 

If the OP's argument here is one of "direction", then one could also submit that the most recent results (ie, from October 16) would rationally be the most relevant.  

 

Edited 1 November 2021 by NaijaFox

[Vardinio'sCat]

I'm not sure things have been quite the same since Partygate. The other players must have been furious, indeed Blackwell recently made reference to there being some ill feeling after that, when asked about current squad harmony before our week of wins.

 

I'm sure that cost us points, and affected certain players attitudes/morale/confidence. I'm also sure there are other factors, many of which have already been mentioned. As with most things in life, it is almost bound to be a number of factors tangled together, rather than one single reason.

 

 

 

[cruzFOX]

Is Leicester its own worst enemy? Looking back at so many games including this weekend's it seems to me we are crippling ourselves with bad formations, poor performances, unclear instructions, sporadic moments of brain farts, unforced errors, slow lethargic starts and more. It's one thing if teams come at us in superior form and outplay us we can all accept that on any given day. However, we are just not helping ourselves at the moment. Does BR need to do more back to basics, come to jesus assessments after a bad result so that we respond accordingly or are we as a team just not learning from our mistakes?

Really good article written by Jordan Blackwell which kinda nails some things we all have been complaining about for a long while now. Will Rogers finally do something about it & get some expert help because its a pretty damn glaring problem. The opposition is having a field day until we fix issues like set piece defending and attacking.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-arsenal-talking-points-6139688#comments-wrapper

 

[dayday]

13 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I find this thread wholly depressing I must say. It rather reinforces the notion that some people are always itching to find fault, or see the worst in any situation, and it always tends to be badly affected by recent defeat.

We have been poor since February bar the odd game, it wouldn’t say it’s fault finding, it’s factual.

[hackenbacker]

19 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Probably our greatest ever keeper

Yeah probably ... after Banks and Shilton and maybe Wallington

[Grebfromgrebland]

I guess one thing we can all agree on is that our PPM average seems to be going down and our defence in getting worse and can anyone really remember when we last dominated a game?

[Sly]

20 hours ago, Dr Marco said:

Ghezzal <3

 

THE NEW MAHREZ !!!

 Ghezzal has largely been awful this season, indicating that last season, may have been a flash in the pan.

[KrefelderFox666]

28 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I guess one thing we can all agree on is that our PPM average seems to be going down and our defence in getting worse and can anyone really remember when we last dominated a game?

Definitely not as much a first few seasons under Rodgers but recent games are Moscow and Burnley and you could argue Man U we were toe to toe which is a positive. Other than that though we have looked poor in all the other games over 90 minutes.

[HighPeakFox]

3 hours ago, dayday said:

We have been poor since February bar the odd game, it wouldn’t say it’s fault finding, it’s factual.

It appears we need these 'facts' repeating ad infinitum, in different threads. It's ok guys, we can hear you.

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, hackenbacker said:

Yeah probably ... after Banks and Shilton and maybe Wallington

I'm making the distinction between "Greatest Keeper for Leicester" and "Greatest Keeper to play for Leicester". 

 

There's all sorts of debate to be had on Banks/Shilton vs Schmeichel as players. But Schmeichel has easily been a better 'Leicester keeper' than anyone else. 

[Kevin Russell]

22 hours ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

Jury is out on Soumare, shown glimpses of quality, but is anonymous for periods.

He looks fantastic for a spell then anonymous for 15 mins - I think/hope he is getting to grips with the prem and he’ll kick on.

[suffolk fox]

29 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I'm making the distinction between "Greatest Keeper for Leicester" and "Greatest Keeper to play for Leicester". 

 

There's all sorts of debate to be had on Banks/Shilton vs Schmeichel as players. But Schmeichel has easily been a better 'Leicester keeper' than anyone else. 

This is slightly amuzing.  It has to be an age thing surely?  Schmeichel is a good keeper yes.  Never in a million years is he better than Banks or Shilton.  To describe him as the greatest keeper for Leicester is quite frankly absurd.  We have had some great keepers for Leicester including the likes of Wallington, Flowers and Keller I would put Scmeichel in with those.  Banks and Shilton though were different gravy.

[Ric Flair]

Just now, suffolk fox said:

This is slightly amuzing.  It has to be an age thing surely?  Schmeichel is a good keeper yes.  Never in a million years is he better than Banks or Shilton.  To describe him as the greatest keeper for Leicester is quite frankly absurd.  We have had some great keepers for Leicester including the likes of Wallington, Flowers and Keller I would put Scmeichel in with those.  Banks and Shilton though were different gravy.

I think the " greatest ever " debate is a blend of out and out ability but being successful as well which shine an even stronger light on the exploits of such players. There's no doubt that Schmeichel has been part of the best Leicester side that's ever been and then been part of a rebuild that's arguably even stronger. Banks and Shilton's exploits here pale in to insignificance but then they were also once the best goalkeepers in the world (not necessarily when they were with us though).

 

I obviously wasn't when either played for us, I fell in love with football when Shilton was 42 at Italia 90 and had the same yellow England goalkeeper shit with the black shoulder pads. I'd have Schmeichel in with those pair though, I'd struggle to separate them and would have to respect the judgements of those who have witnessed all 3 and still have their marbles. One things for certain, Schmeichel for all his faults has been an absolute monster here. We won't see a more influential keeper / player at our club for many a year, bar Vardy.

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, suffolk fox said:

This is slightly amuzing.  It has to be an age thing surely?  Schmeichel is a good keeper yes.  Never in a million years is he better than Banks or Shilton.  To describe him as the greatest keeper for Leicester is quite frankly absurd.  We have had some great keepers for Leicester including the likes of Wallington, Flowers and Keller I would put Scmeichel in with those.  Banks and Shilton though were different gravy.

I literally explained that I'm making the distinction between 'best Leicester keeper' and 'best keeper to play for Leicester'. 

 

Using your argument, if Messi played 1 game for Leicester, he would be Leicester's greatest ever player, ahead of Vardy, for example. But I don't think many people would subscribe to that idea and they may well remember and celebrate Vardy's Leicester career a lot more than Messi's cameo.  

 

It seems like it comes down to semantics and what we mean by 'greatest', but for me 'greatest' is a broad term that must account for the entire package of longevity, impact, influence, achievements. Not just pure skill in a vacuum. Banks and Shilton are almost certainly better players and keepers than Kasper. But my claim is that Schmeichel has been a better keeper for Leicester than either, using the term 'greatest' as I've described it. And as @Ric Flair described too. 

 

Let's look at their records:

 

 

So we can see that Banks and Shilton won far less at Leicester and played 100 or so fewer games than Schmeichel. Wallington has games on Kasper, but chances are he'll overtake him. And looking at honours and achievements it's no contest is it? 

Edited 1 November 2021 by Les-TA-Jon

[Hoopla10]

15 hours ago, filbertway said:

The manager and team are under performing. To argue with that is to be living in cloud cuckoo land.

There are definite areas we need to improve. Starting games on the front foot. Moving the ball faster against teams intent on sitting deep, Defending set pieces, including corners. Using our set pieces to our advantage etc ect.

 

Are the team under-performing? Fafana out. JJ out. Pereira still coming back from injury, in and out. Ndidi out. Mads slowly getting his form back from injury (but he is getting it back even if people want to hate on his attitude). Evans has a injury problem that's probably never going away and means he'll be in/out. Which obviously effects the consistency of Cags. And through most of Sept/Oct we've played a couple of games a week. "under-performing" means what without context? The marathon runner under performed coming in last. The marathon runner attempted the race with a broken big toe. 

 

Fully fit we should be top 6 at least (ignoring we're only 3 points away), but context has to mean something. Ignoring that context is living in cloud cuckoo land imo or simply somebody who just wants to push a narrative.  

Edited 1 November 2021 by Hoopla10

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Hoopla10 said:

There are definite areas we need to improve. Starting games on the front foot. Moving the ball faster against teams intent on sitting deep, Defending set pieces, including corners. Using our set pieces to our advantage etc ect.

 

Are the team under-performing? Fafana out. JJ out. Pereira still coming back from injury, in and out. Ndidi out. Mads slowly getting his form back from injury (but he is getting it back even if people want to hate on his attitude). Evans has a injury problem that's probably never going away and means he'll be in/out. Which obviously effects the consistency of Cags. And through most of Sept/Oct we've played a couple of games a week. "under-performing" means what without context? The marathon runner under performed coming in last. The marathon runner attempted the race with a broken big toe. 

 

Fully fit we should be top 6 at least (ignoring we're only 3 points away), but context has to mean something. Ignoring that context is living in cloud cuckoo land imo or simply somebody who just wants to push a narrative.  

+ the psychological challenge/impact of missing out on CL again. I think the highs and lows of missing top 4 (again) and winning the FA cup meant that it's a tough act to follow this season. Can this same manager and group of players realistically be expected to pick themselves up and go again? 

[Dan]

On 31/10/2021 at 11:43, Stadt said:

Clean sheets are obviously ideal but I think the bigger problem is we can’t even restrict teams to just the one goal. We’ve conceded 2 or more 9 times this season ffs

2 or more 9 times, and then even the ones we didn't - two of them were 1-0 defeats (one of them to a dross Legia side), another was Wolves which I think it's quite widely accepted we were very fortunate to not concede at least once, Norwich and Millwall the others as well. Brentford was probably the only satisfactory defensive display for me. It's been so below par. It's shocking, you can't build anything from a basis like that, and I'm not convinced it's solely down to injuries.

[Hoopla10]

12 hours ago, dayday said:

We have been poor since February bar the odd game, it wouldn’t say it’s fault finding, it’s factual.

And yet we finished 5th and won the FA cup. Awful! Absolute nightmare. No excuses, not with all our players fit as well. Fafana and Pereira are only going backwards under Rodgers. If he even plays them which he doesn't for some unknown reason. Justin barely tries anymore, for whole 90mins he's missing. Nowhere to be seen. Ndidi was a rock, now he's malingering with some excuse or other. Nobody's buying it Ndidi we know your game!!!  Rodgers should take a good long look in the mirror. 

Edited 1 November 2021 by Hoopla10

[Mike Oxlong]

8 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I think the " greatest ever " debate is a blend of out and out ability but being successful as well which shine an even stronger light on the exploits of such players. There's no doubt that Schmeichel has been part of the best Leicester side that's ever been and then been part of a rebuild that's arguably even stronger. Banks and Shilton's exploits here pale in to insignificance but then they were also once the best goalkeepers in the world (not necessarily when they were with us though).

 

I obviously wasn't when either played for us, I fell in love with football when Shilton was 42 at Italia 90 and had the same yellow England goalkeeper shit with the black shoulder pads. I'd have Schmeichel in with those pair though, I'd struggle to separate them and would have to respect the judgements of those who have witnessed all 3 and still have their marbles. One things for certain, Schmeichel for all his faults has been an absolute monster here. We won't see a more influential keeper / player at our club for many a year, bar Vardy.

Too much sweetcorn in the diet ? 

[Ric Flair]

14 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Too much sweetcorn in the diet ? 

Cheese in a can

[volpeazzurro]

9 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

This is slightly amuzing.  It has to be an age thing surely?  Schmeichel is a good keeper yes.  Never in a million years is he better than Banks or Shilton.  To describe him as the greatest keeper for Leicester is quite frankly absurd.  We have had some great keepers for Leicester including the likes of Wallington, Flowers and Keller I would put Scmeichel in with those.  Banks and Shilton though were different gravy.

Absolutely and some of those even came off their line, dominated their areas and caught things before good distribution. However, Schmeichel is an incredible shot stopper and has saved our bacon on countless occasions. I think he's been brilliant for us. Banks and Shilton however would be recognised by most English supporters of many clubs as having been world class, Schmeichel not so I would suggest. 

[Ric Flair]

Distinct lack of penalties won as well for a long long time. Does that tell us something about our issues? We are often so pedestrian in transitioning in to attack that teams are really cut apart by us to force them to foul us.

[Les-TA-Jon]

10 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

This is slightly amuzing.  It has to be an age thing surely?  Schmeichel is a good keeper yes.  Never in a million years is he better than Banks or Shilton.  To describe him as the greatest keeper for Leicester is quite frankly absurd.  We have had some great keepers for Leicester including the likes of Wallington, Flowers and Keller I would put Scmeichel in with those.  Banks and Shilton though were different gravy.

 

48 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Absolutely and some of those even came off their line, dominated their areas and caught things before good distribution. However, Schmeichel is an incredible shot stopper and has saved our bacon on countless occasions. I think he's been brilliant for us. Banks and Shilton however would be recognised by most English supporters of many clubs as having been world class, Schmeichel not so I would suggest. 

Is reading comprehension a little lacking?

 

I’ve said 3 times now, I’m not claiming Kasper is a better keeper than Banks or Shilton. 
 

I’m claiming Kasper has been the better keeper for Leicester than both of them. 
 

Given his longevity, number of games, trophy cabinet, overall impact and influence whilst a mainstay in the team during the club’s most successful era, I’ve not seen any sort of counter argument from you? 

[volpeazzurro]

14 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

Is reading comprehension a little lacking?

 

I’ve said 3 times now, I’m not claiming Kasper is a better keeper than Banks or Shilton. 
 

I’m claiming Kasper has been the better keeper for Leicester than both of them. 
 

Given his longevity, number of games, trophy cabinet, overall impact and influence whilst a mainstay in the team during the club’s most successful era, I’ve not seen any sort of counter argument from you? 

Disagree personally then. It's about what you do whilst here not about how long you've stayed here. Just for me, when Banks and Shilton were here, as opposed to later on in their careers, they were still better all round goalkeepers for me. As was Wallington in my opinion. I reiterate that Schmeichel has indeed overall been a brilliant goalkeeper for us over a long period of time and has been consistently good. However, he's also consistently had the same flaws throughout that time that he has seemingly done little or nothing to rectify. The others mentioned, for as long as they were here, didn't suffer from such flaws. All very subjective and I've enjoyed watching all of them. Schmeichel has been a loyal player and very good club goalkeeper. Nobody has rushed in gagging to buy him that we know to. Banks and Shilton were extremely wanted player. Banks was a World Cup Winner whilst with us albeit how Leicester came to let him go was another story.