Stadium Expansion *APPROVED* Sept ‘22 - Details / Images Released on Planning Site

[Beechey]

33 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

And probably more importantly, establish a need for it.

There is still a need for it, we average 95%+ capacity crowds. Most of the empty seats are corporate seats in massive groups in C (maybe B?) block. We have PSR issues, well great - infrastructure spend doesn't count into PSR, but the increased revenue generated from those infrastructure upgrades do. If the owners or investors wanted to fund this, we would easily fill out 40k. I don't think the city/county's appetite for football has decreased.

Edited 12 August 2025 by Beechey

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, Beechey said:

There is still a need for it, we average 95%+ capacity crowds. Most of the empty seats are corporate seats in massive groups in C (maybe B?) block. We have PSR issues, well great - infrastructure spend doesn't count into PSR, but the increased revenue generated from those infrastructure upgrades do. If the owners or investors wanted to fund this, we would easily fill out 40k. I don't think the city/county's appetite for football has decreased.

What happens if we don’t go up this season though is what we need to think about.

 

Id say the demand drops a fair bit.

[urban.spaceman]

41 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

I hope you're right. Not likely though, is it

It's happening. Je Suis Paul Atreides. 

 

[Beechey]

8 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

What happens if we don’t go up this season though is what we need to think about.

 

Id say the demand drops a fair bit.

I don't think that would happen immediately. It's no guarantee either. Look at other teams that have been up and down or in this division for a decade or more, many of them get about 30k people in every week and their clubs aren't that competitive. We'll be expected to compete for the top 2 positions every year (outside of points deductions etc) while we are in this division. If every club waited years like we have just to see, then nobody would ever enhance their grounds.

 

Prices are much more of a determining factor.

Edited 12 August 2025 by Beechey

[VLC86]

2 minutes ago, Beechey said:

I don't think that would happen immediately. It's no guarantee either. Look at other teams that have been up and down or in this division for a decade or more, many of them get about 30k people in every week and their clubs aren't that competitive. We'll be expected to compete for the top 2 positions every year (outside of points deductions etc) while we are in this division. If every club waited years like we have just to see, then nobody would ever enhance their grounds.

 

Prices are much more of a determining factor.

Our tickets aren’t cheap so it would rely on a demand for season tickets, and that dropped massively this year. Previous years you needed to have been to loads of games but I think it dropped to about 20 games over a few seasons to get one in the ballot.

 

Demand is definitely already on the slide so in my opinion we have missed the boat.

[Tommy G]

40 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

Our tickets aren’t cheap so it would rely on a demand for season tickets, and that dropped massively this year. Previous years you needed to have been to loads of games but I think it dropped to about 20 games over a few seasons to get one in the ballot.

 

Demand is definitely already on the slide so in my opinion we have missed the boat.

Unfortunately it didn't though? Where are you getting this from. Or is this more Foxestalk fake news?

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, FoxinNotts said:

Sigh. What could have been

Seagrave over this was a shocking decision (aware that Seagrave was probably a lot easier). Would have cost a fraction of what it will today

[Quorndon_Fox]

That would be class, just not sure how we could in practice.

[Stadt]

5 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Seagrave over this was a shocking decision (aware that Seagrave was probably a lot easier). Would have cost a fraction of what it will today

Doing the infrastructure project that massively increased costs first rather than the one that increased revenue was daft.

 

Seagrave could wait but ground expansion was more of a timely thing. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

6 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Doing the infrastructure project that massively increased costs first rather than the one that increased revenue was daft.

 

Seagrave could wait but ground expansion was more of a timely thing. 

Yeah but the owner can't ride around the stadium expansion on a Segway.

[MattFox]

6 hours ago, Beechey said:

There is still a need for it, we average 95%+ capacity crowds. Most of the empty seats are corporate seats in massive groups in C (maybe B?) block. We have PSR issues, well great - infrastructure spend doesn't count into PSR, but the increased revenue generated from those infrastructure upgrades do. If the owners or investors wanted to fund this, we would easily fill out 40k. I don't think the city/county's appetite for football has decreased.

The development proposed in 2020 increases the seats that we have less demand for at the expense of the seats we do have demand for

 

The proposals are a non starter in the current market

[Bob Weasel Fox]

6 hours ago, Beechey said:

There is still a need for it, we average 95%+ capacity crowds. Most of the empty seats are corporate seats in massive groups in C (maybe B?) block. We have PSR issues, well great - infrastructure spend doesn't count into PSR, but the increased revenue generated from those infrastructure upgrades do. If the owners or investors wanted to fund this, we would easily fill out 40k. I don't think the city/county's appetite for football has decreased.

Spot on

[Sol thewall Bamba]

6 hours ago, Beechey said:

There is still a need for it, we average 95%+ capacity crowds. Most of the empty seats are corporate seats in massive groups in C (maybe B?) block. We have PSR issues, well great - infrastructure spend doesn't count into PSR, but the increased revenue generated from those infrastructure upgrades do. If the owners or investors wanted to fund this, we would easily fill out 40k. I don't think the city/county's appetite for football has decreased.

Yeah, I think the demand is still there if it's priced properly.

 

Corporate have cleared off though, probably as expected.

[Guest WarehamFox]

44 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yeah but the owner can't ride around the stadium expansion on a Segway.

Driven around by Mr Rudkin?

[Claridge]

19 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Seagrave over this was a shocking decision (aware that Seagrave was probably a lot easier). Would have cost a fraction of what it will today

Yea all these brilliant academy players coming through who could save us millions, disgrace

[VLC86]

19 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Unfortunately it didn't though? Where are you getting this from. Or is this more Foxestalk fake news?

It absolutely did. I’ve heard indirectly from

within the club and from members who have applied for season tickets every year for the last 4 and had no luck.

[Stuntman_Mike]

What hurts the most is not that there was talk that we would like to expand, it's the fact the club themselves announced the plans formally for world to see and we completely fcuked it 

 

It's crazy how much we dropped off and it was all our own fault.

[davieG]

14 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yeah, I think the demand is still there if it's priced properly.

 

Corporate have cleared off though, probably as expected.

I gave up my season ticket this year due to a number of reasons like late KOs if I'm still living near enough I'd go to individual games if the pricing wasn't so outrageous and I have plenty of family living down south who would travel up as well.

 

More seats is a must and if they could be made available on the day, even if you have to use an app to register and buy your tickets would be a massive boon for those leading busy lives who can't decide in advance. There's so many missed opportunities.

[Tommy G]

21 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

It absolutely did. I’ve heard indirectly from

within the club and from members who have applied for season tickets every year for the last 4 and had no luck.

OK so you are saying demand has reduced massively for season tickets then say members who have applied for 4 years have had no luck? They have had luck this season because a few thousand people decided not to renew, but the demand for season tickets is still there - you are confusing demand with renewals. 

 

If you said demand has dropped massively then you would expect a 60-70% uptake on ST vs the prior year, that just hasn't happened. 

[stevostadium]

20 hours ago, VLC86 said:

What happens if we don’t go up this season though is what we need to think about.

 

Id say the demand drops a fair bit.

Are you for real? Up ????

More chance of relegation with all the players leaving and points deduction.

 

Absolutely no chance this expansion goes ahead, not in next 5 years or so anyway

[VLC86]

15 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

OK so you are saying demand has reduced massively for season tickets then say members who have applied for 4 years have had no luck? They have had luck this season because a few thousand people decided not to renew, but the demand for season tickets is still there - you are confusing demand with renewals. 

 

If you said demand has dropped massively then you would expect a 60-70% uptake on ST vs the prior year, that just hasn't happened. 

But less people deciding they don’t want a season tickets is a reduction in demand isn’t it.

 

We have 23k season ticket holders, and if the waiting list is 60 caps over 6 years one year, and then it’s 20 caps over 6 years the next year, that very clearly suggests less people have or want season tickets and therefore the demand for a season ticket has dropped.

[VLC86]

In my opinion, if you think we are getting 31k people on the stadium spending a few years at this level selling all of our players, you are very naive.

[Pliskin]

4 minutes ago, stevostadium said:

Are you for real? Up ????

More chance of relegation with all the players leaving and points deduction.

 

Absolutely no chance this expansion goes ahead, not in next 5 years or so anyway

When are people going to stop babbling on about this points deduction….. it’s likely to be 6 to 9 points at most if anything, which is nothing… with no stand out teams (Bar probably us on paper) most teams will drop more than that anyway this season. 
 

And secondly stadia infrastructure is not included within the PRS losses, so if we spent on the expansion we would be fine, and the extra finances it generates would count to PSR.  

[stevostadium]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

When are people going to stop babbling on about this points deduction….. it’s likely to be 6 to 9 points at most if anything, which is nothing… with no stand out teams (Bar probably us on paper) most teams will drop more than that anyway this season. 
 

And secondly stadia infrastructure is not included within the PRS losses, so if we spent on the expansion we would be fine, and the extra finances it generates would count to PSR.  

The margins in the Championship are so fine.

6-9 points is absolutely massive, especially when we lose our star players.

 

Wont be nowhere near play offs, without points deduction IMO

Edited 13 August 2025 by stevostadium

[jerry]

Opportunity to develop and expand has long gone I'm afraid. Size of ground suits the size of club we are anyway.Apart from the odd cup run in the future I don't see the need to have empty seats and lack of any sort of atmosphere.