Are People Awful?

[HighPeakFox]

Standing up to religious waffle is NOT being awful. To say that it is, is to tacitly justify the notion that the 'God exists' argument is an equal argument, which it isn't, in my opinion. 

[Wymsey]

What can be annoying are individuals who are two-faced, and thus the lack of trust towards them.

[Carl the Llama]

20 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

What can be annoying are individuals who are two-faced, and thus the lack of trust towards them.

That's not what you said to me yesterday 

[Wymsey]

7 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

That's not what you said to me yesterday 

"That’s not true, love!" 

[cambridgefox]

1 hour ago, boots60 said:

That will be a Sam Smith's house.

All their pubs are electronic device free. A refreshing alternative, with everyone having an actual conversation.

Shame there is (to the best of my knowledge) none in Leicestershire.

 

 

 

Ah yes,I went to one in Manchester last month.No swearing either.

 

[Corky]

6 hours ago, Buce said:

 

And here we go again.

 

Another perfectly good thread derailed by irrelevant religious mumbo-jumbo.

Adam spoke onto me "Keep the Faith" and I listened unto his word, until his Lord Adam sinned and 3-0 lead was lost 45-90 in Wolverhampton.

[Tim'llFixIt]

I was hoping reading through this I would see worse than my own experience but alas no

 

So me me and the Mrs went on holiday a few years back and took a day trip to a local historic memorial ... We parked up walked along the train track and I stood in awe standing before the entrance to the place that I had seen so many times in books and documentaries ....... In front of my pushed a couple the bird was glammed up the the gills, her fella popped out his camera and took about 30 shots of the cretin, arse out, duck face, v for victory, over the shoulder poses the fvcking lot, I looked around and there was about 10 other people doing the same tasteless crap.

 

 

The monument was the entrance to, wait for it ... Auchwitz! They were trying to get the prefect shot of them standing in the entrance of the tunnel that that Nazi trains drove 1000000 incident Jewish murder victims through ..... Search #Auchwitz on Instagram you will see what I'm talking about within 20 posts 

 

people are scum!

[Pliskin]

Just us as a race of people…. Because of our apparent advanced evolved state, it’s meant that we have the ability to be as cruel as we are kind.

 

Families can be the worst, I’m fast losing family members just because they’re down right horrible people, with no care for anything or anyone but themselves! And a lot of it is driven by money too, where there is an opportunity to make a financial game, some people will do it even if it means exploiting people including their own family members. 
 

I also think the pressures surrounding us create huge problems.

 

This country is dreadful, and it’s our fault, we put an insane amount of pressure on ourselves to just function that it is leaving society at a breaking point. 
 

My late grandma always used to help to put things into perspective for me, she was 14 when WW2 broke out, and when ever I was feeling crap, I’d pop down to hers for a cup of tea and just listen to her tell me about simpler times. Times where you knew everyone in the village, times when family time was well spent and not wasted, times when even in the face of horror, morals were kept high by a strong community spirit.

 

Today we celebrate those who served and have their lives so we could live better lives today, but are we doing them justice? Probably not……. I would have thought Covid and the climate issues would have made people realise for the first time in our existence it would seem time is not on our side…. But it hasn’t, I still see examples of human indecency on a daily basis, and it is soul destroying.  

[bovril]

13 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Standing up to religious waffle is NOT being awful. To say that it is, is to tacitly justify the notion that the 'God exists' argument is an equal argument, which it isn't, in my opinion. 

I find comments about sci-fi and fairy tales offensive and unnecessary but it's the internet so I can just ignore it and move on.

 

[MustardTiger]

14 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Standing up to religious waffle is NOT being awful. To say that it is, is to tacitly justify the notion that the 'God exists' argument is an equal argument, which it isn't, in my opinion. 

I wasn't commenting on the quality of anyone's "argument", as if winning an internet argument on the existence or non-existence on anyone's God or personal beliefs was the point of this thread.

 

What I was commenting on was the tactless and unnecessary self righteousness of an individuals post being a little ironic, suggesting the other fellow wasn't welcome in the thread and saying that his views were "mumbo-jumbo".

 

I'm an atheist myself but I still read the posts and was capable of moving on. 

[SecretPro]

14 minutes ago, MustardTiger said:

I wasn't commenting on the quality of anyone's "argument", as if winning an internet argument on the existence or non-existence on anyone's God or personal beliefs was the point of this thread.

 

What I was commenting on was the tactless and unnecessary self righteousness of an individuals post being a little ironic, suggesting the other fellow wasn't welcome in the thread and saying that his views were "mumbo-jumbo".

 

I'm an atheist myself but I still read the posts and was capable of moving on. 

I think maybe this stems from a few people getting a bit tired of threads being derailed by this poster. Literally everything he posts is in the context of religion. I'm an ecologist but If I popped up on every thread and turned the conversation into the Myrmecophily in blue butterflies I'm pretty sure people would get a bit fed up with it. It doesn't bother me as as soon I see it I just scroll past it because I couldn't be less interested even if I tried, but can see why it gets on peoples tits.

Edited 11 November 2021 by SecretPro

[bovril]

6 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

I think maybe this stems from a few people getting a bit tired of threads being derailed by this poster. Literally everything he posts is in the context of religion. I'm an ecologist but If I popped up on every thread and turned the conversation into the Myrmecophily in blue butterflies I'm pretty sure people would get a bit fed up with it. It doesn't bother me as as soon I see it I just scroll past it because I couldn't be less interested even if I tried, but can see why it gets on peoples tits.

The responses are not just about the poster, they also comment generally on Christian belief describing it as fiction, mumbo jumbo etc.

 

The posters are of course within their rights to post that, but they do so knowing (I imagine) that it will offend forum users for whom Christianity is a part of their life. 

[SecretPro]

13 minutes ago, bovril said:

The responses are not just about the poster, they also comment generally on Christian belief describing it as fiction, mumbo jumbo etc.

 

The posters are of course within their rights to post that, but they do so knowing (I imagine) that it will offend forum users for whom Christianity is a part of their life. 

Doesn't that work both ways if somebody is trying to impose their religious beliefs and claiming it is factual? I find it offensive that people want to impose Religious beliefs in serious conversation/debates. See the Extinction Rebellion thread for instance.

Edited 11 November 2021 by SecretPro

[Benguin]

I think some people are trying to say that one should with hold their worldview when engaging with threads that are pretty philosophical in nature, if said worldview is unpopular. I'd disagree with that sentiment and wont be changing how I engage unless specifically asked to by the moderators. 

 

I'd agree with the the sentiment of derailing threads with unrelated stuff and that's why you wouldn't see me comment with posts regarding my worldview in unrelated topics such as on the football threads unless specifically asked by another user and in the context of the general discussion. (For example when someone posts religion is stupid on an unrelated thread, I feel personally justified to defend my view) I'd be happy to challenge anyone who does not think this thread falls into a related category however and so stand by my posts.

 

Sorry if my views offend anyone but, as an adult, I always personally find it easy to take some personal responsibility in what I engage with on the internet and would encourage others to do the same. 

[bovril]

27 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Doesn't that work both ways if somebody is trying to impose their religious beliefs and claiming it is factual? I find it offensive that people want to impose Religious beliefs in serious conversation/debates. See the Extinction Rebellion thread for instance.

Yes it does work both ways and I don't like believers belittling non-believers in a similar style to some of the posts above. I personally think most of the belittling comes from atheists but I admit I am biased. Also not really sure how it's linked to Extinction Rebellion, haven't seen many religious folk stopping people from getting to work. 

Edit - realise you're talking about the thread, which I haven't viewed. 

Edited 11 November 2021 by bovril

[SpacedX]

48 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

 I'm an ecologist but If I popped up on every thread and turned the conversation into the Myrmecophily in blue butterflies I'm pretty sure people would get a bit fed up with it. 

Could you attempt this on the next matchday thread? I'll pay you. 

[SecretPro]

9 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Could you attempt this on the next matchday thread? I'll pay you. 

You realise I will do this now.

[SecretPro]

22 hours ago, Benguin said:

Adam is like all of us. When I say we are all in Adam and dead in sin I mean we are all like Adam, subjected to temptation by the evil one (Satan) and as a result will die. The Bible describes this as wages, we will be paid for our sin with death. There are no amount of good works that will save us because we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That's the bad news.

 

The good news is that God has made a way for us to be saved. The sins of those who repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are given a free gift of salvation. Thus those who believe are no longer in Adam (doomed to die in sin) but now alive in Christ Jesus. 

 

Christians and non Christians are all sinners alike. The difference is the former are justified by faith in Jesus and the latter are still dead in the first man Adam. 

 

1 Corinthians 15 verses 42-49

 

 

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

 

On 10/11/2021 at 07:01, Benguin said:

Yes, we are all in Adam and dead in our sin. However we can take refuge in Adam number 2. The lord Jesus Christ. 

 

16 minutes ago, bovril said:

Yes it does work both ways and I don't like believers belittling non-believers in a similar style to some of the posts above. I personally think most of the belittling comes from atheists but I admit I am biased. Also not really sure how it's linked to Extinction Rebellion, haven't seen many religious folk stopping people from getting to work. 

Edit - realise you're talking about the thread, which I haven't viewed. 

I mean, if we are talking about belittling and imposing views; the two posts from this thread that I have quoted above you literally state that we are all a bunch of shits but if you don't believe in God you are doomed whilst those of those that do believe will be fine and dandy.

 

I also find this offensive because it was in the news the other week that 216,000 children have been abused by Priests in France since 1950, abused by a total of 2,900-3,200 abusers - those numbers of abusers are staggering, even more so when you realise those are the abusers just confined to the church. It's OK though, because they believe in god and will be presented with nothing but salvation.

Edited 11 November 2021 by SecretPro

[Milo]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

Myrmecophily

Gerrimin

[Scotch]

Personally, I've always found the "spending eternity in heaven" a rather selfish reason to not be a cvnt. 

 

Like, surely it's better to be a good person for the sake of others than it is to be a good person so that you may be rewarded once you die? 

 

[bovril]

3 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

 

 

I mean, if we are talking about belittling and imposing views; the two posts from this thread that I have quoted above you literally state that we are all a bunch of shits but if you don't believe in God you are doomed whilst those of those that do believe will be fine and dandy.

 

I also find this offensive because it was in the news the other week that 216,000 children have been abused by Priests in France since 1950, abused by a total of 2,900-3,200 abusers - those numbers of abusers are staggering, even more so when you realise those are the abusers just confined to the church. It's OK though, because they believe in god and will be presented with nothing but salvation.

You seem to be arguing with me over a point I haven't made.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Personally, I've always found the "spending eternity in heaven" a rather selfish reason to not be a cvnt. 

 

Like, surely it's better to be a good person for the sake of others than it is to be a good person so that you may be rewarded once you die? 

 

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius

 

He had it right nearly two thousand years ago.

[SecretPro]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

The responses are not just about the poster, they also comment generally on Christian belief describing it as fiction, mumbo jumbo etc.

 

The posters are of course within their rights to post that, but they do so knowing (I imagine) that it will offend forum users for whom Christianity is a part of their life. 

 

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

You seem to be arguing with me over a point I haven't made.

Not arguing - just addressing that you said the level of athiest bigotry in this thread was high and we describe Christian beliefs as fiction and mumbo jumbo - similaraly the post I quoted a moment ago appear to be biggoted towards non-believers (we are all going to hell etc) and also attack my way of life for being a non-believe by telling me the diference between believers and non-believers is that the believers will find salvation and the rest wont. As I say, it works both ways, sure the language is different but no less discriminatory. 

[bovril]

10 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

 

Not arguing - just addressing that you said the level of athiest bigotry in this thread was high and we describe Christian beliefs as fiction and mumbo jumbo - similaraly the post I quoted a moment ago appear to be biggoted towards non-believers (we are all going to hell etc) and also attack my way of life for being a non-believe by telling me the diference between believers and non-believers is that the believers will find salvation and the rest wont. As I say, it works both ways, sure the language is different but no less discriminatory. 

I was talking in general about the UK - I think abuse towards believers is higher than the other way round.

 

As an aside I think posters being annoyed over "derailing of threads" is so stupid. It's an internet forum, people post stuff, ignore it or engage with it - it's your choice. And yes I accept I've probably used a similar term when referring to DJ willy puller posting polls but he deserves abuse (it's a joke Jeff). 

Edited 11 November 2021 by bovril

[Benguin]

26 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

 

 

I mean, if we are talking about belittling and imposing views; the two posts from this thread that I have quoted above you literally state that we are all a bunch of shits but if you don't believe in God you are doomed whilst those of those that do believe will be fine and dandy.

 

I also find this offensive because it was in the news the other week that 216,000 children have been abused by Priests in France since 1950, abused by a total of 2,900-3,200 abusers - those numbers of abusers are staggering, even more so when you realise those are the abusers just confined to the church. It's OK though, because they believe in god and will be presented with nothing but salvation.

For a start the bone of contention I was addressing was whether it belonged in this thread or not. Given the thread title is "are people awful" I think I'm perfectly with in my right to post my view on that. Would you disagree? 

 

As to the other points raised I think that would be detracting from this thread so would be happy to engage with those points via pm if you wanted?