Are People Awful?

[Benguin]

33 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Personally, I've always found the "spending eternity in heaven" a rather selfish reason to not be a cvnt. 

 

Like, surely it's better to be a good person for the sake of others than it is to be a good person so that you may be rewarded once you die? 

 

I'd agree. Which is why I believe in Jesus as opposed to works based religions. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

Religion is such an interesting topic of debate. I could spend hours listening to opinions. I don't know why it remains so interesting to me. 

[Dahnsouff]

16 minutes ago, Benguin said:

I'd agree. Which is why I believe in Jesus as opposed to works based religions. 

Do not wish to cause offence, but if not from dogmatic origins, where does your belief come from?

[Benguin]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Do not wish to cause offence, but if not from dogmatic origins, where does your belief come from?

Again this would detract from this thread so would rather debate that elsewhere. Happy to PM?

[Free Falling Foxes]

12 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Religion is such an interesting topic of debate. I could spend hours listening to opinions. I don't know why it remains so interesting to me. 

I'm more pragmatic. Believers cannot prove there is a God, non believers cannot prove there isn't.

End of debate as far as I am concerned.

 

In relation to this thread: there are some lovely folk who don't believe in a God and, conversely, awful folk who do. Vice versa too of course. Therefore, religious belief is neither here nor there.

 

Edited 11 November 2021 by Free Falling Foxes

[Benguin]

I do feel I just need to make one point clear based on a lot of subsequent comments. 

 

If you go back to my original posts I have maintained the view that we (Christians and non Christians) are all awful, in response to the question "are we all awful?"

 

I make the point that a Christian is justified to the father through faith in the son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean I'm now better than unbelievers I'm still a sinner. The justify part means that when the father looks at an unbeliever he will see their sin and judge them for it. When the father looks at a Christian, he will see the blameless Jesus who bore our sin. 

 

To make it perfectly plain, I am wretched, I wear pride, I lust, I hold anger and do all sorts of evil. I am not a good person and don't think I'm better than anyone else and have never said that.  

 

[Izzy]

6 minutes ago, Benguin said:

I do feel I just need to make one point clear based on a lot of subsequent comments. 

 

If you go back to my original posts I have maintained the view that we (Christians and non Christians) are all awful, in response to the question "are we all awful?"

 

I make the point that a Christian is justified to the father through faith in the son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean I'm now better than unbelievers I'm still a sinner. The justify part means that when the father looks at an unbeliever he will see their sin and judge them for it. When the father looks at a Christian, he will see the blameless Jesus who bore our sin. 

 

To make it perfectly plain, I am wretched, I wear pride, I lust, I hold anger and do all sorts of evil. I am not a good person and don't think I'm better than anyone else and have never said that.  

 

[Guest Col city fan]

3 hours ago, Izzy said:

I just KNEW you’d post summat like this mate

😆

[HighPeakFox]

For my part, I'm not in the least offended by anything I ever read on this site, and I don't really accept it as a position to answer to either - which is not to say I ever set out to offend or defend people that do. As Stephen Fry says 'You're offended? So f**king what?' - it's a whine, not a position.

 

Thus, nothing @Benguinsaid offended me, and much as he has every right to believe whatever he likes, I understand that I have an equal right to challenge his certainty, which tends to be couched in coercive terms - that is, in such a way that we're all expected to accept it without question and treat it with a reverence I personally don't think it deserves, without being called awful or anything else. If Benguin (or indeed nearly all of you) ever needed my help in any way I could actually be useful to him/them, I wouldn't hesistate to do so.

[fuchsntf]

Even white van man, Road-rage man....have their endearing points...

[AS78UK]

Seen a bit of good and bad today.    Had someone hit my parked car and drive off whilst I was in the hospital luckily some very kind bystander got the reg plate and offered to be a witness for the insurance claim.   

[BirminghamFox]

On 09/11/2021 at 18:00, Bellend Sebastian said:

Thread prompted by a conversation I had when getting my eyes tested this morning.

 

To cut a long story short, the young lady that helped me pick frames was telling me how someone blamed her, as someone that happened to work in the shopping centre, for there being a drill where everyone had to leave, and you couldn't drive into the car park for about 10 minutes, and gave her a hard time about it.

 

In jest and sympathy I said "people are awful", to which she replied, very seriously, "between 50 and 60 per cent of people that come into this shop ARE awful". And it made me sad to think that half the population now don't seem to be able to even go to an optician without acting like a twat. 

 

She then wondered if she should go and work in a clothes shop and I said that would probably be worse. She also added that it's been particularly bad since the pandemic started.

 

It's many years since I worked in retail, and I would say that less than 10% of customers were massive w***kers back then.  What's going on?

 

I'm going to try and be extra nice from now on to try and make up for it.

 

Your thoughts and insight, please

 

 

 

Which Optician? I work in the industry 😉

[worthosoriginals]

23 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Standing up to religious waffle is NOT being awful. To say that it is, is to tacitly justify the notion that the 'God exists' argument is an equal argument, which it isn't, in my opinion. 

Which god though? 

Humans have created almost 3000 of them. 

[Mike Oxlong]

6 hours ago, Benguin said:

I'd agree. Which is why I believe in Jesus as opposed to works based religions. 

I’m a bit surprised that Pep has decided to put him out wide this season but it seems to be working. 

[Bellend Sebastian]

24 minutes ago, BirminghamFox said:

Which Optician? I work in the industry 😉

A nice one! One of the big chains. They weren't especially impressed that my last three pairs of glasses were effectively fished out of a skip (I hasten to add that the lenses weren't, I'm not mental)

[Nalis]

7 hours ago, leicsmac said:

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius

 

He had it right nearly two thousand years ago.

I never heard of this quote before but this is exactly how I've felt on the issue for pretty much most of my life, could just never articulate it as well.

[Tim'llFixIt]

6 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I'm more pragmatic. Believers cannot prove there is a God, non believers cannot prove there isn't.

End of debate as far as I am concerned.

 

In relation to this thread: there are some lovely folk who don't believe in a God and, conversely, awful folk who do. Vice versa too of course. Therefore, religious belief is neither here nor there.

 

Non believers can prove it though? There is no physical or scientific evidence of god's existence, it's the same as us stating categorically that dragons don't exist ... because they absolutely don't and are only a figment of people's imagination

[Carl the Llama]

3 minutes ago, Tim'llFixIt said:

Non believers can prove it though? There is no physical or scientific evidence of god's existence, it's the same as us stating categorically that dragons don't exist ... because they absolutely don't and are only a figment of people's imagination

You can't prove that something doesn't exist.

Also:

[Tim'llFixIt]

1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

You can't prove that something doesn't exist.

Also:

Now come forth loyal believers and show us the evidence of the sick fvucker in the clouds who gives cancer to kids to test their parents faith ...

[Carl the Llama]

14 minutes ago, Tim'llFixIt said:

Now come forth loyal believers and show us the evidence of the sick fvucker in the clouds who gives cancer to kids to test their parents faith ...

Sadly I don't have a picture of that guy but I do have one of god:

[Soup]

Chris Whitty. Pretty awful imo

Edited 11 November 2021 by Soup

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, worthosoriginals said:

Which god though? 

Humans have created almost 3000 of them. 

I should know, I've followed a few...

[Mickyblueeyes]

8 hours ago, Benguin said:

I do feel I just need to make one point clear based on a lot of subsequent comments. 

 

If you go back to my original posts I have maintained the view that we (Christians and non Christians) are all awful, in response to the question "are we all awful?"

 

I make the point that a Christian is justified to the father through faith in the son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean I'm now better than unbelievers I'm still a sinner. The justify part means that when the father looks at an unbeliever he will see their sin and judge them for it. When the father looks at a Christian, he will see the blameless Jesus who bore our sin. 

 

To make it perfectly plain, I am wretched, I wear pride, I lust, I hold anger and do all sorts of evil. I am not a good person and don't think I'm better than anyone else and have never said that.  

 

But surely you see based on your own teachings why this makes little sense. I question religion, I was brought up with religion but there are many aspects, with time that I have grown to question. 
 

I understand that it’s a tribal thing. How an individual can immediately feel associated with an absolute stranger just because they share the same faith. However (and this is me bringing it back to the topic somewhat) how can that be the nature of a good person. Your religious belief has absolutely no bearing on whether you or anyone else is good or bad. Growing up, I saw this a lot - at school and elsewhere. People of many different races brought together just because they felt they were part of the same religion - no matter how good or bad that person is/was. In the same way, they’d immediately hate/be distant from someone else just because they were different or from a particular religion - that’s an asshole in my book. Because of my own background - I STILL do the same thing! It’s like a trigger reaction.
 

When it comes to Christianity there is a lot which remains uncertain and unanswered. How can Jesus be born many centuries after the earth was in existence, die for sins and be a mercy ? What about the millions who lived before him ? Who didn’t know of him and therefore were sinners but not “saved” simply because they were in a wrong timeframe. What about all the missionaries/ men who came before him. People like Abraham, Moses, Noah etc. Technically, they didn’t believe or formally accept Jesus ? So are they destined for hell ? Sorry lads, thanks for the service but you’ll make the first edition of the book but no heaven for you. What about the poor neanthethrals (have I even spelt that right). They didn’t have a clue - tough luck ? This seems quite a massive gap in theology. It also feels like god was unsure of his own concept for many years until he came up with the idea to create himself via a son and save his creation that he had evidently given up on. Surely after Adam ate the Apple, Jesus was next on the production line, created and crucified - if there was always a plan for us to live through to the end, how does this method make any difference ?

 

Dont get me wrong, I’m not having a go at you or any Christian - I truly respect all faith and what one chooses to believe should be respected and learnt from. It’s interesting and offers a release for so many that it has a purpose and that is always a good thing. I’ll also say from what I’ve read, I’ve got similar queries with other religions. Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism and even Buddhism have gaps which just don’t add up. I’m probably not learned enough to understand it all. However, the “goodness” in people is certainly not linked to religion or vice-versa. The teachings have no bearing of whether someone is kind, generous, understanding or just a good guy, girl. Check medieval times for reference. Religion was rife but the brutality and general “asshole” nature was also at its highest. 
 

People tend to have a nature to be all the things we detest in others. I agree with you on that point, that if those qualities are sins, we all have them. I just struggle to see how any doctrine of religion (especially one where there is a get out) helps to fix (or give answers for) those problems mankind has displayed for as long as life has been documented. 
 

Finally, I respect you immensely for believing in your faith, defending and advising others of it. I respect your right to follow it. I also respect the fact that if you quote your beliefs you probably know you will be open to criticism, questions and insults. It’s commendable your willing to take that risk just to discuss something or spread a message you love dearly - that takes guts. 

[SpacedX]

8 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

what one chooses to believe should be respected and learnt from. 

Not necessarily. "Belief" can be a very dangerous and destructive force. 

 

 

[Daggers]

This ambulance was West Mids last night. 
 

While the wife did her 24hr stint yesterday, one bloke tried to stab a nurse, one head butted a member of the security team, and three other people made threats of violence in A&E. 

 

People are shits.