Are People Awful?

[Carl the Llama]

1 hour ago, Shane said:

People are laughing at your comment, but I think the loss of values do play a major role in why people are awful. Values taken from religion & philosophy helps give people structure in their lives. I'm not religious but I am open minded and in the past I've explored the cultures of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus & Muslims mainly through volunteering & the people who truly believe in their faith say it's what makes them a kind person. Obviously religion isn't perfect & there are extremists, but the majority have a positive outlook on life because of their faith.

 

'Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, love thy neighbour etc etc are good rules to live by. You can go to a Sikh temple and ask for Langar and they will give you free food, regardless of your religion, race, gender or beliefs. Some will even give you temporary shelter. 

 

Seriously what are the values being taught today? You need a certain amount of social media followers & a certain amount of money or you're a failure? There seems to be a lack of values in everyday life now. I think it was Jordan Peterson who said the Western World needs more philosophy, not more laws because if you have a philosophy you are unlikely to break the law in the first place. 

 

I'm currently watching Peter Santenello's Youtube Series with the Amish & in a way I'm jealous of their simple life, their ignorance is bliss stress free living, but most of all I'm jealous of their community. The people in their community help each other, spend time together, have strong family connections & look after each other because of what they believe in.

 

 

I don't really think that people develop a sense of morality from religion, more that people in general have morals which get projected into religions.   Also this:

Edited 10 November 2021 by Carl the Llama

[Vacamion]

 

I think a lot of it is people being self-centred and thoughtless, rather than evil.

 

Think of how common is it that people put their feet up on train seats, or put a bag on the seat next to them, or take their socks off on planes (eugh), or jump past traffic queues and cut in at the end. Or those who throw cigarette ends out of their car window. Or who use their phones in the dark of the cinema.

 

It’s as if these people have no care or thought for the effects of what they do on others. All about them and what they want.

 

I feel sorry for people who work in retail and hospitality and I am occasionally horrified by the way I see people act towards them in public.  

 

Even if I’m not happy with service somewhere I would always try to act reasonably and treat people as people.

 

I’m no fan of religion, but I’m a big fan of “do unto others”.  

 

If only the holy books had an eleventh commandment “And the LORD said - Don’t be a selfish arsehole”.

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

4 hours ago, Benguin said:

Yes, we are all in Adam and dead in our sin. However we can take refuge in Adam number 2. The lord Jesus Christ. 

So for you (just a question, as I dont know the answer) is Adam bad ? If he is the fault of sin, is he the "evil" one must fight against ? Genuinely curious.

[SpacedX]

43 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

The world is becoming like Twitter. Just people wanting to cause arguments and be confrontational. 

No it isn't

[Mickyblueeyes]

I think, especially in retail, the move from the local high street trader to the big face less multinationals (which I am not against) has made the industry "faceless". I mean 20/30 years ago, you wouldnt go into a store on a parade and openly abuse someone - you'd be embarrassed knowing that you'll more than likely see them next week. Its easier to vent where the person is not familiar. 

 

This combined with a "dont give a ****" attitude that social media perceives as the foundation of success (it really isnt) leads to people thinking they need to be aggressive to be successful. 

 

Most people are not inherently bad. The world has lost a community feel which means people are more so tribal in their thinking - when I say tribal I mean with their very close families rather than communities.  

[lcfc278]

16 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

I thought what she said about it being worse since the pandemic started was interesting.

 

My missus (a psychologist) reckons that the pandemic has had the effect of making everyone's issues that bit worse and brought them closer to the surface, and I think I can see that.

 

Depressed folk are more depressed, crazy people are crazier, short tempered folk are losing their rag even quicker, etc etc

 

 

Completely agree with this!

 

Plus when you factor in that a very large percentage of the population literally stayed in the house for so many months on end, not really going out other than to the supermarket etc. a lot of people have also kind of forgotten how to properly interact with other humans.

 

The pandemic (especially the early days, panic buying etc.) made a lot of people seem to want to 'fend' for themselves to the point where it's almost carried over and everyone is only interested in getting what 'they' want or getting to where 'they' want to go, to the detriment of the needs and feelings of other human beings.

[Benguin]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

So for you (just a question, as I dont know the answer) is Adam bad ? If he is the fault of sin, is he the "evil" one must fight against ? Genuinely curious.

Adam is like all of us. When I say we are all in Adam and dead in sin I mean we are all like Adam, subjected to temptation by the evil one (Satan) and as a result will die. The Bible describes this as wages, we will be paid for our sin with death. There are no amount of good works that will save us because we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That's the bad news.

 

The good news is that God has made a way for us to be saved. The sins of those who repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are given a free gift of salvation. Thus those who believe are no longer in Adam (doomed to die in sin) but now alive in Christ Jesus. 

 

Christians and non Christians are all sinners alike. The difference is the former are justified by faith in Jesus and the latter are still dead in the first man Adam. 

 

1 Corinthians 15 verses 42-49

 

 

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

[Buce]

 

And here we go again.

 

Another perfectly good thread derailed by irrelevant religious mumbo-jumbo.

[SecretPro]

19 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

And here we go again.

 

Another perfectly good thread derailed by irrelevant religious mumbo-jumbo.

Most of it should go in the 'What are you reading' thread. Never been a fan of fantasy-fiction myself.

[Benguin]

20 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

And here we go again.

 

Another perfectly good thread derailed by irrelevant religious mumbo-jumbo.

Why is it irrelevant?

[Buce]

27 minutes ago, Benguin said:

Why is it irrelevant?

 

Because pontificating bible quotes is not a substitute for a reasoned argument.

 

Please don't respond; you derail every thread you post in with this nonsense.

 

Take it to the Religion thread where those that wish can engage you.

Edited 10 November 2021 by Buce

[Benguin]

5 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Because pontificating bible quotes is not a substitute for a reasoned arguement.

 

Please don't respond; you derail every thread you post in with this nonsense.

 

Take it to the Religion thread where those that wish can engage you.

What am I arguing against? My post was in response to a question not an argument.

[Voll Blau]

You can always tell a lot about people by how they treat bar staff and taxi drivers. As a former fast food worker, I'd extend the maxim to that too. You got some absolutely staggering levels of entitlement and condescension from people who were desperate to scoff cheeseburgers down their throats.

[Vlad the Fox]

7 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Just isn't true though. They're just different from before. Our practice has had an increase in 23% for appointments since switching to telephones at the start of pandemic (i.e. the workload has gone up) and a lot less "Did Not Attends". We've started incorporating more face-to-face appointments in to clinics and I'd say that about 1 in 4/5 get cancelled or DNAd at the moment. Can't speak for your practice but we're doing more work than ever before in harder circumstances.

 

As for "running from COVID", the whole idea is to keep the environment as COVID (and other viral illnesses) secure as possible. You wouldn't want a vulnerable elderly person going and sitting in a packed waiting room in times like the last 18 months - and it's something about how practices used to work that was probably wrong when you look back in hindsight. GPs have never stopped seeing patients, it's just at their own discretion as to whether or not they invite them down to the surgery. Obviously there are some flaws in the system, but to say that GPs have been useless is an absolute load of rubbish and it's this the kind of attitude that breeds this stigma against GP practices, which in turn leads to people hurling abuse at hardworking healthcare staff who are just trying to provide a service to the public. 

 

It will be very interesting to see how people react when the local GPs eventually become a private service. The general public and those with attitudes similar to your own will be in for a massive shock when practices start to prioritise money over healthcare. 

Maybe in your experience, but my dads practice has been useless, they wouldn’t see anyone, hence my dad being giving bad advice/diagnosis which saw him end up for a spell in hospital, (still wouldn’t see him when he came out) and diagnosing food poisoning over the phone to a women who has had a heart attack. That is bad practice in my opinion. 

[Buce]

1 hour ago, Benguin said:

What am I arguing against? My post was in response to a question not an argument.

 

Perhaps if you'd spent some time reading a dictionary instead of fairy tales you might understand that words have different meanings depending on context:

 

'a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point of view'

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/argument

Edited 10 November 2021 by Buce

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, Benguin said:

Adam is like all of us. When I say we are all in Adam and dead in sin I mean we are all like Adam, subjected to temptation by the evil one (Satan) and as a result will die. The Bible describes this as wages, we will be paid for our sin with death. There are no amount of good works that will save us because we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That's the bad news.

 

The good news is that God has made a way for us to be saved. The sins of those who repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are given a free gift of salvation. Thus those who believe are no longer in Adam (doomed to die in sin) but now alive in Christ Jesus. 

 

Christians and non Christians are all sinners alike. The difference is the former are justified by faith in Jesus and the latter are still dead in the first man Adam. 

 

1 Corinthians 15 verses 42-49

 

 

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

I struggle to understand the logic or rational but thanks for explaining. Sorry for asking the query in this particular thread, it just got me curious. Feel free to delete. 

[MrsJohnMurphy]

19 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

You didn't have some bloke screaming at you for blocking the road for about 30 seconds in Western Park on Saturday, did you?

 

I didn't see it (I was taking a dump at the time) but I could hear it kicking off. My wife saw it and said it was mental, both the driver who's path was blocked and the DPD driver going wild at each other

Not me.....I'm an oasis of calm

[MustardTiger]

2 hours ago, Buce said:

 

Because pontificating bible quotes is not a substitute for a reasoned argument.

 

Please don't respond; you derail every thread you post in with this nonsense.

 

Take it to the Religion thread where those that wish can engage you.

 

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

Perhaps if you'd spent some time reading a dictionary instead of fairy tales you might understand that words have different meanings depending on context:

 

'a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point of view'

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/argument

Enters the Are People Awful? thread, proceeds to be awful. 

 

Poetry.

[Carl the Llama]

Back at the launderette and can confirm once more that yes, people are selfish and awful.  Be it the absentees leaving their things in long since finished washes, preventing others using them, or the dryer hoggers using multiple massive dryers for loads not even half the size of my fortnightly bundle that I've fit into a single machine. Grr people.

[boots60]

8 hours ago, filbertway said:

 

You see it a lot in pubs and bars as well, you've got people stuck to their phones, telling strangers what a great time they're having rather than just having the great time

 

I went in a few pubs in York a while back and they had a strict "No electronic devices rule - if you need to make a call then go outside" it was great.

That will be a Sam Smith's house.

All their pubs are electronic device free. A refreshing alternative, with everyone having an actual conversation.

Shame there is (to the best of my knowledge) none in Leicestershire.

 

 

 

Edited 10 November 2021 by boots60

[whoareyaaa]

 

58 minutes ago, MustardTiger said:

 

Enters the Are People Awful? thread, proceeds to be awful. 

 

Poetry.

 was just going to say the same.

[bovril]

11 hours ago, Lako42 said:

The British....

 

 

Massive generalisation but i'm afraid it's very clear there is a shift in the British subconscious. 

 

 

Ruled by the nasty party, people love it, love it it to the point where they will vote the vile, corrupt bastards in again next time. 

 

 

Don't forget we've just enacted Brexit because we think we are better off alone as a nation simply because of some deep routed nationalistic / Xenophobic feelings people seem to have. But yay blue passports and nobody to pick food or drive a lorry. Less brown people taking working critical jobs though hey.

 

 

I almost enjoyed lockdown because I didn't have to mix with the general public

I'm very much anti the current government but the idea that the ***** in UK society are all Tories and Brexiters is exceptionally wide of the mark. Left wingers are frequently worse; British left wingers can be incredibly pious and intolerant.

 

Just like the atheists are frequently bigger bigots than the religious, as we see in this thread.

[Bert]

There’s plenty of awful people about. There’s also plenty of decent folk around. 

[Carl the Llama]

15 minutes ago, bovril said:

I'm very much anti the current government but the idea that the ***** in UK society are all Tories and Brexiters is exceptionally wide of the mark. Left wingers are frequently worse; British left wingers can be incredibly pious and intolerant.

 

Just like the atheists are frequently bigger bigots than the religious, as we see in this thread.

I'll agree that Buce could be a bit more diplomatic, but I don't agree that it's bigoted to take issue with being told in earnest in the middle of a debate on the nature of man that we all suck and only the people who believe in a specific character from a specific pantheon are those who suck a bit less and won't suffer eternal damnation for being born sucky.

Edited 10 November 2021 by Carl the Llama
That's all I'll say on the subject, don't want to derail further and get a good thread locked

[Vlad the Fox]

3 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Yeah, apologies, I should have said I can't speak for all, but then you did say "local GPs are useless" which seemed like quite a blanket term for all GP practices, unless I misunderstood and you just meant that local GP? 

 

Either way, I hope your dad is doing okay and receives better help in the future. Sorry if my post came across as insensitive to both of those incidents you mention, it's just a topic that infuriates me as I see all of the stuff behind the scenes that goes on too. 

To be fair to you it was a sweeping statement I made out of frustration at my dads gp. Particulary harsh as I preferred the online and call back system my gp was using to how it was before and now.

 

You certainly didn’t come across as insensitive.  Yes he’s much better now, but he’s still not impressed with his gp. For his Covid vaccine he was half expecting to be lined up in the car park with other patients and vaccinated by a blunderbuster from 20 yards