Closed doors

[Russell sprout]

8 hours ago, CyprusFox said:

Hope so, at least the majority of us that are vaccinated. The rest of them that choose not to get jabbed should stay at home.

When the vaccinated are getting covid at a rapid rate😂

[Phil Bowman]

1 minute ago, Russell sprout said:

When the vaccinated are getting covid at a rapid rate😂

I don’t personally see how this is so funny, but it’s nice that it’s at least brought such mirth to someone.

[Russell sprout]

Just now, Phil Bowman said:

I don’t personally see how this is so funny, but it’s nice that it’s at least brought such mirth to someone.

No I find it funny that you imply that it’s the unvaxed that are the issue when in fact there’s more cases amongst the vaccinated,

seing as the first and second jab were about as affective as junior Lewis in a city shirt,

but hey each to there own

[l444ry]

17 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

When the vaccinated are getting covid at a rapid rate😂

.....but not clogging intensive care up in hospitals ?

Edited 21 December 2021 by l444ry

[Phil Bowman]

5 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

No I find it funny that you imply that it’s the unvaxed that are the issue when in fact there’s more cases amongst the vaccinated,

seing as the first and second jab were about as affective as junior Lewis in a city shirt,

but hey each to there own

I don’t know who you think I am, but I don’t think I am who you think I am. I haven’t been implying anything.

[Russell sprout]

18 minutes ago, l444ry said:

.....but not clogging intensive care up in hospitals ?

Hospitals are not clogged up😂😂😂😂

 

[Duquesne Whistle]

4 hours ago, Scotch said:

Scottish football will be behind close doors for the next 4 weeks at least. Just announced. 

Sad but almost expected news. At least the St Johnstone supporters won't have to attend for a month after 5 straight league defeats...

This has to put a huge financial strain on Scottish league clubs, many of whom are existing on a shoestring. Sad times.

[Vazman]

1 hour ago, Mr Weller said:

How many times do you need it explaining? Once most people have received the booster the numbers going to hospital will reduce and the NHS will be able to cope again. The restrictions are to flatten the spike and spread out the infections over a longer period.

 

I’ll be charitable and assume you’re choosing to believe what you want to believe rather than simply not understanding.

Wow you sound like my old School teacher from the early eighties 

[Jobyfox]

1 hour ago, Mr Weller said:

How many times do you need it explaining? Once most people have received the booster the numbers going to hospital will reduce and the NHS will be able to cope again. The restrictions are to flatten the spike and spread out the infections over a longer period.

 

I’ll be charitable and assume you’re choosing to believe what you want to believe rather than simply not understanding.

I'll ignore the fact that you've decided to take the tone of a patronising **** and answer this in good faith. 

 

If you'd read all my posts on this subject I think you'll see that I've been quite balanced in making my arguments. I'm not a vaccine conspiracy theorist, have complied with the vaccine programme, lockdowns  and wear a mask and respect other people's personal space. I'm not even strongly against a lockdown, but just very agnostic about its effectiveness given the fact that we have developed vaccines and that the virus will continue to mutate. I totally understand the theory around flattening the curve and reducing the pressure on the NHS.

 

I was simply pointing out that assisting the NHS to cope with future waves might be a better course of action/investment than repeatedly shutting the economy down. Of course, this should be balanced against how deadly a new variant is and realise that this might be too early to call for the Omicron variant as I acknowledged in another post. 

 

Really, if you've read all my posts on this subject, in this thread you'll see that I've tried to articulate my view in a balanced way and being respectful of others opinions. It's a shame you couldn't do the same and would conclude it's you, rather than me, who have their head firmly shoved up their own arse! 

[KrefelderFox666]

58 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

No I find it funny that you imply that it’s the unvaxed that are the issue when in fact there’s more cases amongst the vaccinated,

seing as the first and second jab were about as affective as junior Lewis in a city shirt,

but hey each to there own

Was Junior Lewis that good then?

[Jobyfox]

1 hour ago, Russell sprout said:

No I find it funny that you imply that it’s the unvaxed that are the issue when in fact there’s more cases amongst the vaccinated,

seing as the first and second jab were about as affective as junior Lewis in a city shirt,

but hey each to there own

More cases maybe. But I think you’ll find that the percentage of cases in the unvaccinated is much higher than the percentage of cases amongst the vaccinated. I feel this is certainly the case for hospitalisations, although I’ve not seen any recent data so stand to be corrected if others have 

[phoneticerror]

1 hour ago, Russell sprout said:

Hospitals are not clogged up😂😂😂😂

 

Go troll in the Coronavirus thread in the general section. This is going too far off topic.

[Scotch]

1 hour ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

Sad but almost expected news. At least the St Johnstone supporters won't have to attend for a month after 5 straight league defeats...

This has to put a huge financial strain on Scottish league clubs, many of whom are existing on a shoestring. Sad times.

Aye, it's one thing for EPL teams but it's something else entirely for almost everyone else in football. 

[jayfox26]

Will be interesting to see how they play this one. If they close the stadiums but leave the pubs open as usual (which I'm sure they will) then the pubs will end up being rammed on match days if games are on TV. Surely it's safer being outside in a football stadium than having 1000's pouring into pubs to watch the games. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

Just now, jayfox26 said:

Will be interesting to see how they play this one. If they close the stadiums but leave the pubs open as usual (which I'm sure they will) then the pubs will end up being rammed on match days if games are on TV. Surely it's safer being outside in a football stadium than having 1000's pouring into pubs to watch the games. 

It's all about the optics

[phoneticerror]

7 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

Will be interesting to see how they play this one. If they close the stadiums but leave the pubs open as usual (which I'm sure they will) then the pubs will end up being rammed on match days if games are on TV. Surely it's safer being outside in a football stadium than having 1000's pouring into pubs to watch the games. 

As long as the pubs close at the same time 😂

[foxinsocks]

1 hour ago, Jobyfox said:

More cases maybe. But I think you’ll find that the percentage of cases in the unvaccinated is much higher than the percentage of cases amongst the vaccinated. I feel this is certainly the case for hospitalisations, although I’ve not seen any recent data so stand to be corrected if others have 

You dont know that.

I am jabbed.  But jabbed folk get delta and omicrom. Going to the kp would be better if everyone took a test.  The vaxed are able to mingle and spread it without being tested. Crazy 

[Russell sprout]

1 hour ago, phoneticerror said:

Go troll in the Coronavirus thread in the general section. This is going too far off topic.

No ones trolling,this is a forum and I’m entitled to my opinion as you are yours 

[foxinsocks]

5 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

Now now gents. We’re going off topic here.

 

No more arguing over the severity of the pissing virus. This was supposed to be a place to moan about Boris potentially taking footy away 😂

 

Seeing as the ginger dwarf from the north has just imposed similar restrictions from Boxing Day, I reckon Sheep Johnson will do the same. 

I wonder if wee jimmy will be able to meet with anyone from france?

[phoneticerror]

10 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

No ones trolling,this is a forum and I’m entitled to my opinion as you are yours 

Nobody said you can’t speak your mind, but do it in the right place. Way too many of these threads turn into Covid arguments. Just do it in the bloody coronavirus thread.

Edited 21 December 2021 by phoneticerror

[Duquesne Whistle]

57 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Aye, it's one thing for EPL teams but it's something else entirely for almost everyone else in football. 

That's true, but only in the short term I reckon. The financial implosion in English topflight football will come. It's just that no one knows when. 

[Ian Nacho]

I reckon it should be a personal choice. 

[Jobyfox]

55 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

You dont know that.

I am jabbed.  But jabbed folk get delta and omicrom. Going to the kp would be better if everyone took a test.  The vaxed are able to mingle and spread it without being tested. Crazy 

"Spread" and "infectious spread" are important distinctions here. It is likely to be more infectious to those who haven't been vaccinated as opposed to those who have. That's why the biggest problem in hospitals at the moment is unvaccinated people who have a variant other than Omicron. Even though Omicron is the biggest threat in the UK at the moment.

People that spread it unknowingly might spread it to other vaccinated people. If, however, you have a cell of the Delta variant (for example) in your system, the vaccine works to kill the host cell(s) and infectious cell(s) as quickly as possible. The quicker it can kill these cells, the "less infectious" that person will become, as they are carrying less infectious cells. The problem then is, if they pass this to an unvaccinated person, the chances of the infectious cells multiplying and spreading is greatly increased.

[5waller5]

1 minute ago, Jobyfox said:

"Spread" and "infectious spread" are important distinctions here. It is likely to be more infectious to those who haven't been vaccinated as opposed to those who have. That's why the biggest problem in hospitals at the moment is unvaccinated people who have a variant other than Omicron. Even though Omicron is the biggest threat in the UK at the moment.

People that spread it unknowingly might spread it to other vaccinated people. If, however, you have a cell of the Delta variant (for example) in your system, the vaccine works to kill the host cell(s) and infectious cell(s) as quickly as possible. The quicker it can kill these cells, the "less infectious" that person will become, as they are carrying less infectious cells. The problem then is, if they pass this to an unvaccinated person, the chances of the infectious cells multiplying and spreading is greatly increased.

So get vaccinated and attend public events, or don’t and stay at home. Everyone has a choice and a consequence for that choice

[CyprusFox]

21 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

So get vaccinated and attend public events, or don’t and stay at home. Everyone has a choice and a consequence for that choice

Couldn't agree more