Closed doors

[Fox92]

Just now, Sean2000 said:

Well that's just a fallacy isn't it? No one checks whether you've actually tested negative - you just have to say that you have. 

If nobody checks if you're negative then they're not gonna check if you're vaccinated either. 

[Sean2000]

1 hour ago, Out Foxed said:

well you're definitely reading or watching some shite because you're parroting the same fearmongering hyperbole that they push

 

1 person has died and that is with omicron not even from so stop spreading their shite to impressionable people on here

 

 

 

You need to refresh your Google search 🤦‍♂️

[Sean2000]

Just now, Fox92 said:

If nobody checks if you're negative then they're not gonna check if you're vaccinated either. 

Well that can be checked (COVID app etc) to show your vaccination status. But you can report a negative lateral flow test whatever the outcome and no one knows if that's right (or if you even did the test). 

[Scotch]

Scottish football will be behind close doors for the next 4 weeks at least. Just announced. 

[Number 6]

I think some of the pics of grounds recently shows that the case numbers have meant people have stayed away. Probably mostly to avoid ruining Christmas but will be interesting to see what the crowds look like on boxing day. Looks like people are making their own priorities currently. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised if there was a period of behind closed doors again though. Big crowds seem the worst possible thing with numbers so high. Issue with omicron is the the rate of infection is so high that even if it is a fair bit milder it could still put a very large number of people in hospital in a short space of time. Really does need some long term thinking now because a more transmissible variant was always a possibility and it feels like we should have been able to react to it a little better. 

 

On the plus side we've looked horrible since crowds have come back so maybe not the worst thing for the quality of our football!

[reynard]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

And what do we about omicron and it’s effects to date? Not a lot. Cases are cases as it’s stands. We don’t know if there will be a hospital surge with omicron.
 

85 I believe was the last figure published or announced (omicron cases in hospital) They have said they need about 250 of omicron cases in hospital to really understand how it affects people. Edit: I take your point regards the true number of omicron cases/patients due to the test incapabilities 

I’d advocate having reduced crowds in outdoor areas (straight to the seat) with fully vaccinated persons given we know fundamentally it’s unvaccinated going in hospital. 

 

I agree. Especially the last bit. I think the other thing they could do would be to ban away fans. Three thousand or so fans on coaches/buses or sharing cars is surely a good way to further help the spread in its own small way. 

I think any decision to close grounds would likely need parliamentary approval as it would likely be in a raft of other legal measures. That would mean a recall of Parliament. Not much time now pre-Christmas.

[Jobyfox]

20 minutes ago, Sean2000 said:

The point is that you have to take action to stop hospitalisations based on predictions and statistics. If you wait until admissions are above previous levels it's too late. The NHS falls over. 

Yes, you probably have a good point with that. 
 

I think my wider point was that funding the NHS properly and having a proper system to respond to the threat of pandemics is going to be cheaper than shutting the economy down on a regular basis. 
 

Nothing has changed. We have the vaccines, we can now treat Covid and the virus is still active and will continue to mutate. The approach needs to evolve to align with the way we respond to other threats such as: colds, flu, measles etc. 
 

We have to evolve to a position where we’re living normally with Covid in society. With a lockdown we will stop the NHS being overwhelmed, but I don’t see that we will be in any better position to cope post lockdown. We will then just be waiting for the next mutation and the next lockdown. How do we break the cycle? 

[KrefelderFox666]

11 minutes ago, reynard said:

I agree. Especially the last bit. I think the other thing they could do would be to ban away fans. Three thousand or so fans on coaches/buses or sharing cars is surely a good way to further help the spread in its own small way. 

I think any decision to close grounds would likely need parliamentary approval as it would likely be in a raft of other legal measures. That would mean a recall of Parliament. Not much time now pre-Christmas.

Small wins to avoid having to close a stadium completely would be to ban the sale of alcohol for a short period (reduces gathering in concourses and toilet breaks) and reduce the capacity to between 30-50%. Rather than shut completely. People who wanted to watch the football could still go. Reduce the away allocation in accordance with ground capacity.

[reynard]

1 minute ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Small wins to avoid having to close a stadium completely would be to ban the sale of alcohol for a short period (reduces gathering in concourses and toilet breaks) and reduce the capacity to between 30-50%. Rather than shut completely. People who wanted to watch the football could still go. Reduce the away allocation in accordance with ground capacity.

Yes indeed. Probably close the concourse food outlets completely for a short while.

[SpacedX]

1 minute ago, Jobyfox said:

How do we break the cycle? 

By global vaccination - (currently hindered by shameful monopolies and profit) - combined with natural immunity. Currently each step that we take, the virus is then several steps ahead. Vaccinations and mutations are batting it in all sorts of different directions and scenarios. We can trip it up, overtake it, and then we can start to drive it down and contain once endemic and hopefully in many parts of the world, eliminate. Fewer infections, fewer mutations, fewer emergent variants. Conversely, the more it does mutate, the more prone to error and possible destabilisation it becomes. 

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, reynard said:

I agree. Especially the last bit. I think the other thing they could do would be to ban away fans. Three thousand or so fans on coaches/buses or sharing cars is surely a good way to further help the spread in its own small way. 

I think any decision to close grounds would likely need parliamentary approval as it would likely be in a raft of other legal measures. That would mean a recall of Parliament. Not much time now pre-Christmas.

Most of Liverpool ‘s support on 28th is via coach put on by the club. Sensible way of away fans travel in the circumstance. 

[CosbehFox]

31 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

I think some of the pics of grounds recently shows that the case numbers have meant people have stayed away. Probably mostly to avoid ruining Christmas but will be interesting to see what the crowds look like on boxing day. Looks like people are making their own priorities currently. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised if there was a period of behind closed doors again though. Big crowds seem the worst possible thing with numbers so high. Issue with omicron is the the rate of infection is so high that even if it is a fair bit milder it could still put a very large number of people in hospital in a short space of time. Really does need some long term thinking now because a more transmissible variant was always a possibility and it feels like we should have been able to react to it a little better. 

 

On the plus side we've looked horrible since crowds have come back so maybe not the worst thing for the quality of our football!

I read 45k at Spurs on Sunday in a stadium of 62k! 

[phoneticerror]

Now now gents. We’re going off topic here.

 

No more arguing over the severity of the pissing virus. This was supposed to be a place to moan about Boris potentially taking footy away 😂

 

Seeing as the ginger dwarf from the north has just imposed similar restrictions from Boxing Day, I reckon Sheep Johnson will do the same. 

[CosbehFox]

24 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Small wins to avoid having to close a stadium completely would be to ban the sale of alcohol for a short period (reduces gathering in concourses and toilet breaks) and reduce the capacity to between 30-50%. Rather than shut completely. People who wanted to watch the football could still go. Reduce the away allocation in accordance with ground capacity.

There’s no original thinking - could have pubs closed for a period of matchdays, encourage journeys to games with minimal contact etc etc. 
 

But the authorities want an easy fix. That’s been one of the fundamental issues all along. 

[NaijaFox]

4 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

You are though, aren’t you? For instance we test every time we’re going to see our parents just to be safe. It’s not hard.

 

Last year was different. We didn’t have home testing. Now we do. 

Frankly, would rather they played behind closed doors than pause the league.

 

PS: But then again, I am presently in the States, so no real option than telly anyway. 

[CosbehFox]

9 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

There’s no original thinking - could have pubs closed for a period of matchdays, encourage journeys to games with minimal contact etc etc. 
 

But the authorities want an easy fix. That’s been one of the fundamental issues all along. 

Works both ways - Scotland 500 person restriction. 
 

So that means 501 people in a 60000 capacity stadium is bad but 500 people in some of the smaller grounds of Scottish football that would be over 50%. 
 

That’s just pure idiocy with no clear thinking 

[Foxxed]

3 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I think this latter point is the biggest challenge at this point and for the next few weeks. The NHS and other public services will be impacted more by the high case numbers (and associated isolations/staff shortages) than an influx of hospitalisations (if current public knowledge of Omicron is true).

There should be local statistics. If we could know that the Royal infirmary was struggling to cope with cancer appointments, leukemia care, a&e because of the staff shortages and covid hospitalisations then few would complain and most would want to protect their local hospital. Whether the gov would want to decentralise that and give (often opposition) local politicians and council workers publicity and authority and legitimacy vis-a-vis central government is another question.

[hejammy]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

No?

 

If it's replicating quicker, would it not affect the person quicker? I'm looking at this as a total layman so bow down to anybody with a scientific/medical background who can tell me why I'm wrong

 

Exactly what the other poster said, just because you can catch it easier (faster) doesn't mean the effects of it will be faster or you will be relieved of it any faster? It's just more easily transmissible 

[Fox92]

40 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Most of Liverpool ‘s support on 28th is via coach put on by the club. Sensible way of away fans travel in the circumstance. 

Free coaches too. They would like to see a donation of £5, to a Liverpool foodbank, that's all.

 

Fair play and good idea to get everyone in and out one way.

[Chrysalis]

7 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

So Wales are having sport behind closed doors from Boxing Day. How long before we do the same? Or are we going to let our citizens have the freedom to take the risks they want to take?

Given usually all parts of the UK follow the same rules I expect there is yet announced restrictions to come forcing us to do the same.

[String fellow]

9 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

So Wales are having sport behind closed doors from Boxing Day. How long before we do the same? Or are we going to let our citizens have the freedom to take the risks they want to take?

Chester F.C. has their ground stradding the English-Welsh border, so if they're playing at home on Boxing Day the ground will presumably only have fans at one end!

Edited 21 December 2021 by String fellow

[Guest worth_the_wait]

Over the course of the pandemic, the Scottish administration has always tried to outdo anything the Government has announced (or what they think it might announce).   It's all part of the SNP plan to say "look how much more caring we are".   

 

If the PM told the SNP leader that he went on holiday to Tenerife, she would outdo him by saying she went to Elevenorife.

[Mr Weller]

2 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

Yes, you probably have a good point with that. 
 

I think my wider point was that funding the NHS properly and having a proper system to respond to the threat of pandemics is going to be cheaper than shutting the economy down on a regular basis. 
 

Nothing has changed. We have the vaccines, we can now treat Covid and the virus is still active and will continue to mutate. The approach needs to evolve to align with the way we respond to other threats such as: colds, flu, measles etc. 
 

We have to evolve to a position where we’re living normally with Covid in society. With a lockdown we will stop the NHS being overwhelmed, but I don’t see that we will be in any better position to cope post lockdown. We will then just be waiting for the next mutation and the next lockdown. How do we break the cycle? 

How many times do you need it explaining? Once most people have received the booster the numbers going to hospital will reduce and the NHS will be able to cope again. The restrictions are to flatten the spike and spread out the infections over a longer period.

 

I’ll be charitable and assume you’re choosing to believe what you want to believe rather than simply not understanding.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I can’t see the need to go back BCD

 

Surely not one Leicester fan can be positive as they walk into the stadium this season 😝

 

 

 

Edited 21 December 2021 by The Year Of The Fox

[lcfclcfc1]

6 hours ago, lcfcdamo said:

Then what happens the next time and time after that were does it ever end with everyone had the jab there is no end game now that's the worrying thing new viarant lets do it all over again anyone saying lockdown should stay in and lockdown them selfs if that's how they feel we need to get back to normal life after 2 years of this!!

🤦‍♂️ 2 years of hopefully a very long life for you in the future by acting now