Closed doors

[Raj]

3 minutes ago, phoneticerror said:

Same. I’ve gone to do it several times in the last 24 hours and not followed through. Don’t want the hassle, even if it is a cheap ticket 

Phew, that's a relief!!🤣🤣🤮🤭

 

Sorry, I should grow up now I'm 50!!)

Edited 21 December 2021 by Raj

[Pliskin]

Yea I think it’s the way it is going. It will be a typically late response from our government as usual. They will do nothing for about a week and then be forced to do something come Boxing Day.

[mozartfox]

I have a Newcastle supporting friend in England and I spoke with him last night and he advised his Mother-in-Law is coming to stay for Christmas and New Year. The threat of a potential lock-down (post her arrival) is giving him nightmares.  And we moan about our defense at set pieces......

[lcfcsnow]

Good news for Iheanacho at least.

[David Hankey]

The Welsh, just like the Scots, since the arrival of Covid have done their own thing rather than act as one United Kingdom, hence, all the confusion.

[SemperEadem]

I will be gutted when it comes in.

[Jobyfox]

I feel I’ve been a pretty compliant citizen during this whole pandemic. I followed the lockdown advice rigidly in the early days and I’ve been double vaccinated and boostered. I’m even happy to keep wearing a face mask and washing hands.

 

I’m really not sure, however, that further lockdowns should be mandated. The reason for lockdowns is/was purely to ensure that the NHS didn’t get overwhelmed with everyone ill at the same time. I’ve not yet seen the figures to demonstrate that this latest wave has increased hospitalisations and deaths above the levels of the other waves.

 

The virus will continue to mutate. We will probably keep having to have boosters. I’m even ok with continuing to wear masks …. but further lockdowns? I’m not so sure. The cost to the economy will be massive and, if the reason for lockdowns is to avoid overwhelming the NHS, then that money might be better spent in investing  in our health services so that we can respond and cope. It seems like a choice of pumping a few extra billion into the NHS or paying billions in furlough payments, lost revenues and economic collapse. At least with the former option it’s not perpetuating the boom and bust. 

[Scotch]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

The Welsh, just like the Scots, since the arrival of Covid have done their own thing rather than act as one United Kingdom, hence, all the confusion.

As is our right. And to be fair to the Scottish government (who HAVE made some iffy decisions throughout all of this and that's coming from an SNP supporter) the decisions we have made have almost always been followed by England a few weeks later. 

 

I think sturgeon has put far more stock into the advice from her scientific advisors than Boris has. 

[lcfcdamo]

35 minutes ago, lcfclcfc1 said:

Go behind closed doors. Yes unfortunately fans will miss out but all those debating obviously have not sat looking after a Covid patient who is about to die or have never had to fight off grieving relatives. A short lockdown would be the best solution to try and get on top of the present situation. 

Then what happens the next time and time after that were does it ever end with everyone had the jab there is no end game now that's the worrying thing new viarant lets do it all over again anyone saying lockdown should stay in and lockdown them selfs if that's how they feel we need to get back to normal life after 2 years of this!!

Edited 21 December 2021 by lcfcdamo

[Foxxed]

Not sure. Covid infections are the highest ever. But /currently/ few extra have been hospitalised (stats for this lag though). As long as the NHS aren’t crippled by staff isolating then there could be limited crowds.

[CosbehFox]

Don’t see the justification in a full jump from full crowds to none at all. Reduce it as per Europe to a percentage of capacity 

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Don’t see the justification in a full jump from full crowds to none at all. Reduce it as per Europe to a percentage of capacity 

As per spurs last season ?

 

I think corporate will be given greater weighting ref cost to the club …….

 

that doesn’t help the atmosphere 

 

[Guest Lako42]

11 minutes ago, lcfcdamo said:

Then what happens the next time and time after that were does it ever end with everyone had the jab there is no end game now that's the worrying thing new viarant lets do it all over again anyone saying lockdown should stay in and lockdown them selfs if that's how they feel we need to get back to normal life after 2 years of this!!

Quite simply this doesn't end until we produce a universal Covid vaccine, it's as simple as that. 

[Pliskin]

24 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

The Welsh, just like the Scots, since the arrival of Covid have done their own thing rather than act as one United Kingdom, hence, all the confusion.

And do you blame them? With the useless wankshafts we have running the show? 
 

If there’s anything Covid has taught is, it’s how grossly unprofessional, incompetent, unlawful and frankly pathetic our politicians are. 

[KrefelderFox666]

13 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

Not sure. Covid infections are the highest ever. But /currently/ few extra have been hospitalised (stats for this lag though). As long as the NHS aren’t crippled by staff isolating then there could be limited crowds.

I think this latter point is the biggest challenge at this point and for the next few weeks. The NHS and other public services will be impacted more by the high case numbers (and associated isolations/staff shortages) than an influx of hospitalisations (if current public knowledge of Omicron is true).

[lcfcdamo]

6 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Quite simply this doesn't end until we produce a universal Covid vaccine, it's as simple as that. 

Aint that whats already happened this in my opinion isnt ment to end yet 

[CosbehFox]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

As per spurs last season ?

 

I think corporate will be given greater weighting ref cost to the club …….

 

that doesn’t help the atmosphere 

 

Spurs was 25% of the capacity. It don’t know the most appropriate way of how you cap a capacity. Something is better than nothing. 
 

Corporate should be divided in the same way as other season ticket holders - in fact there’s more argument to say close off all corporate and internal congregation areas, ie straight to seats. Reminds of that mad time last year where EFL clubs were allowed a number of people inside the ground to watch a game from a bar but not allowed in the external seating areas. 

 

Bristol City exec said they get about £400k per game on their crowds this morning. All governments in the world should be looking how to make as much as possible function. 
 

We’ve gotta turn off from the thinking that it’s like a tap (mind the pun). Let’s be flexible and keep it moving somehow 

Edited 21 December 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[MPH]

16 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Don’t see the justification in a full jump from full crowds to none at all. Reduce it as per Europe to a percentage of capacity 

 

It has caused a 29% increase in London hospital admissions in the last week., and we are only at the beginning of this Omicron surge

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

It has caused a 29% increase in London hospital admissions in the last week., and we are only at the beginning of this Omicron surge

That hospital admission surge has very little to do with Omicron currently - if it did we know about the direction of the next few week, they have targeted 250 live omicron infections in hospitals to give them the data they really need. The majority of that surge is Delta. 
 

To illustrate the point, a icu doctor on 5 live this morning said icu’s are approx 80% unvaccinated. Within the 20% of those vaccinated, it’s mostly persons with immuno suppression. 
 

If we react like this every variant which occurs (which will keep happening because the world isn’t ensuring the majority of it’s overall population is vaccinated - a variant will always develop in low vaccinated area of the world), we will be stuck in a loop. 
 

The vaccines have successfully turned for most of us into something with quarantine that we can personally manage. The quandary is that most people who wanted the vaccine have come forward and even when nations populations have been highly vaccinated, cases still occur 

Edited 21 December 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[Guest Lako42]

10 minutes ago, lcfcdamo said:

Aint that whats already happened 

No, there is not universal vaccine for Corona Virus. A universal vaccine is one that can protect against the entire viral family, that means the current Sars-cov2 and any future strains or mutations of the current strain. 

 

 

[l444ry]

Wonder if many will be so cocky in their views if they read this topic back in mid January? 

[Dan]

Fingers crossed we aren't as stupid about it as they are.

[MPH]

12 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

That hospital admission surge has very little to do with Omicron currently - if it did we know about the direction of the next few week, they have targeted 250 live omicron infections in hospitals to give them the data they really need. The majority of that surge is Delta. 
 

To illustrate the point, a icu doctor on 5 live this morning said icu’s are approx 80% unvaccinated. Within the 20% of those vaccinated, it’s mostly persons with immuno suppression. 
 

If we react like this every variant which occurs (which will keep happening because the world isn’t ensuring the majority of it’s overall population is vaccinated - a variant will always develop in low vaccinated area of the world), we will be stuck in a loop. 
 

The vaccines have successfully turned for most of us into something with quarantine that we can personally manage. The quandary is that most people who wanted the vaccine have come forward and even when nations populations have been highly vaccinated, cases still occur 

 

as of Friday there were 10,000 omicron cases in London alone that’s a HUGE difference from just 7 days before.… the hospital surge coming is going to be unprecedented. Because of the type of tests used to signal ‘ Covid’ not all Omicron cases are being recorded as anything other than ‘Covid’ so it could well be significantly higher. And Christmas is coming so we are going to get a huge explosion of cases

[lcfcdamo]

Oh bollocks to it sick of hearing the propaganda now 2 years later only idiots will listen now especially after they dont even follow there own rules!!

[jamfox]

2 hours ago, weller54 said:

Deaths trail infection by 3 weeks or so.

Figures for hospitalisations and deaths won't start to appear yet!...

We're in for a return to empty stadiums , closed theatres, pubs etc after Christmas.

"Deaths trail infection by 3 weeks or so"  True but immunization from vaccines and indeed infection could have a serious effect on death rates. Also the new variant is clearly more infectious but could be less deadly