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[CosbehFox]

33 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

as of Friday there were 10,000 omicron cases in London alone that’s a HUGE difference from just 7 days before.… the hospital surge coming is going to be unprecedented. Because of the type of tests used to signal ‘ Covid’ not all Omicron cases are being recorded as anything other than ‘Covid’ so it could well be significantly higher. And Christmas is coming so we are going to get a huge explosion of cases

And what do we about omicron and it’s effects to date? Not a lot. Cases are cases as it’s stands. We don’t know if there will be a hospital surge with omicron.
 

85 I believe was the last figure published or announced (omicron cases in hospital) They have said they need about 250 of omicron cases in hospital to really understand how it affects people. Edit: I take your point regards the true number of omicron cases/patients due to the test incapabilities 

I’d advocate having reduced crowds in outdoor areas (straight to the seat) with fully vaccinated persons given we know fundamentally it’s unvaccinated going in hospital. 

 

Edited 21 December 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[Out Foxed]

15 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

as of Friday there were 10,000 omicron cases in London alone that’s a HUGE difference from just 7 days before.… the hospital surge coming is going to be unprecedented. Because of the type of tests used to signal ‘ Covid’ not all Omicron cases are being recorded as anything other than ‘Covid’ so it could well be significantly higher. And Christmas is coming so we are going to get a huge explosion of cases

stop parroting the bollocks you hear on the news. so boring.

 

turn the tv off and stop being a gigantic div

Edited 21 December 2021 by Out Foxed

[Raj]

58 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Don’t see the justification in a full jump from full crowds to none at all. Reduce it as per Europe to a percentage of capacity 

Vaccinated ONLY!!!!🤐

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Raj said:

Vaccinated ONLY!!!!🤐

Or recently recovered 

[Raj]

1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Or recently recovered 

Yes Brother, I'm in both categories!

[Munshi]

Think you’re both forgetting people who actually test negative for the thing..

[Xen]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

Wales have been the ultimate virtue signallers to be fair. Drakeford definitely gets off on the power rush.

 

I'm okay with it being used as a safety net for the NHS if there are signs of an explosion, but to say it's going to happen before anything has even happened is just killing the spirit of the country.

 

If Omicron spreads faster because it's multiplying upto 7 times faster in people, then surely people will be getting ill 7 times quicker? So instead of there being a 2/3 week lag. It should be 3-4 day lag?

 

On a more positive note, at least it won't affect the atmosphere.

Its not a lag of 2-3 weeks for people to get ill; its a lag of 2-3 weeks on the reporting. The difference between Delta/Omicron won't affect that. Latest deaths figures from the ONS only go up to week 49 - the end of November. Omicron hadn't yet taken hold, and the deaths themselves which are related to the Omicron infections are going to be on a slight lag from that point anyway. 

 

That's not to say we're suddenly about to see a huge volume of deaths - we ARE likely to see an increase in the next few weeks, though. The Deaths/Case and Hospitalisations/Case ratios seem to be much better than previous variants at this point in time, but the sheer volume of Omicron cases means we could still easily be overwhelmed if we let it go unchecked. IMO another strict lockdown is unlikely (and even less likely to be followed if it did happen), but restrictions on potential-super-spreader events like football matches (outdoors with 10k+, for instance) and nightclubs/gigs (indoors, but still large capacity) are almost a certainty, I'd wager.

[MPH]

14 minutes ago, Out Foxed said:

stop parroting the bollocks you hear on the news. so boring.

 

turn the tv off and stop being a gigantic div

 

 

 

not watching tv, chap. Sorry to spoil your fun.

[ozleicester]

2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Oh yay, another Covid-19-based discussion in a thread on Foxestalk.

 

No thread seems safe atm  

its certainly spreading rapidly

[Out Foxed]

8 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

 

not watching tv, chap. Sorry to spoil your fun.

well you're definitely reading or watching some shite because you're parroting the same fearmongering hyperbole that they push

 

1 person has died and that is with omicron not even from so stop spreading their shite to impressionable people on here

 

 

 

[MPH]

2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Oh yay, another Covid-19-based discussion in a thread on Foxestalk.

 

No thread seems safe atm  

 

its almost as if one might effect the other!

[Raj]

14 minutes ago, Munshi said:

Think you’re both forgetting people who actually test negative for the thing..

Yeah LFT tests which in some cases are now proving to be as useful as our mop headed tw@t of a PM!!

 

 

[MPH]

Just now, Out Foxed said:

well you're definitely reading or watching some shite because you're parroting the same fearmongering hyperbole that they push

 

1 person has died and that is with omicron not even from so stop spreading their shite to impressionable people on here

 

 

 

 You remind me of how people responded when the Covid starting spreading. Complete denial.  
 

For what it’s worth, I work on a Covid floor in a hospital.  Get your source of info from Bill Bob Jo on YouTube if you want to but either way- chill a bit?
 

take 2 tramadol, go sit in a dark room. You’ll feel better in the morning.

 

[phoneticerror]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Don’t see the justification in a full jump from full crowds to none at all. Reduce it as per Europe to a percentage of capacity 

I wonder how that would work with STHs. Surely if all our STH showed up, we’d be over capacity?

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Yea I think it’s the way it is going. It will be a typically late response from our government as usual. They will do nothing for about a week and then be forced to do something come Boxing Day.

...to lock down Christmas would not be well received, and would be another nail in Boris's coffin!!!

  He is holding back to save himself and at this moment, too many people would have put things in place, to have to change now. For him to cancel Christmas would be political suicide!

 

[hejammy]

3 hours ago, filbertway said:

Wales have been the ultimate virtue signallers to be fair. Drakeford definitely gets off on the power rush.

 

I'm okay with it being used as a safety net for the NHS if there are signs of an explosion, but to say it's going to happen before anything has even happened is just killing the spirit of the country.

 

If Omicron spreads faster because it's multiplying upto 7 times faster in people, then surely people will be getting ill 7 times quicker? So instead of there being a 2/3 week lag. It should be 3-4 day lag?

 

On a more positive note, at least it won't affect the atmosphere.

This makes no sense at all. A virus which is more transmissible doesn't mean that people would get seriously ill or hospitalised any quicker 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

Quite simply this doesn't end until we produce a universal Covid vaccine, it's as simple as that. 

....a universal Covid vaccine program that is implemented equally worldwide...it is the only way!!!

[grobyfox1990]

19 minutes ago, phoneticerror said:

I wonder how that would work with STHs. Surely if all our STH showed up, we’d be over capacity?

They’ll do it like they did spurs last season. A ballot for all STH. If you went to the cup final you can’t attend spurs 

[KrefelderFox666]

18 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...to lock down Christmas would not be well received, and would be another nail in Boris's coffin!!!

  He is holding back to save himself and at this moment, too many people would have put things in place, to have to change now. For him to cancel Christmas would be political suicide!

 

The biggest problem is that he could be announcing changes now that will come into force after Christmas. Rather than hold off until last minute and then drop it in. I am sure they already have a full plan in place but they are refusing to make that public just yet.

 

Look at Scotland/Wales, they are letting everyone know now that Christmas is fine but there will be restrictions after, Germany the same. Yet Boris and his crew are holding everyone in suspense for no reason. If anything it is making it worse.

[filbertway]

19 minutes ago, hejammy said:

This makes no sense at all. A virus which is more transmissible doesn't mean that people would get seriously ill or hospitalised any quicker 

No?

 

If it's replicating quicker, would it not affect the person quicker? I'm looking at this as a total layman so bow down to anybody with a scientific/medical background who can tell me why I'm wrong

 

[Sean2000]

3 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

The reason for lockdowns is/was purely to ensure that the NHS didn’t get overwhelmed with everyone ill at the same time. I’ve not yet seen the figures to demonstrate that this latest wave has increased hospitalisations and deaths above the levels of the other waves.

The point is that you have to take action to stop hospitalisations based on predictions and statistics. If you wait until admissions are above previous levels it's too late. The NHS falls over. 

[dsr-burnley]

50 minutes ago, filbertway said:

No?

 

If it's replicating quicker, would it not affect the person quicker? I'm looking at this as a total layman so bow down to anybody with a scientific/medical background who can tell me why I'm wrong

 

7 times more transmissible doesn't mean it works 7 times faster.  It means that someone who has omicron may pass it on to 7 people for every 1 person they would have passed it on to with delta.

[Sean2000]

2 hours ago, Munshi said:

Think you’re both forgetting people who actually test negative for the thing..

Well that's just a fallacy isn't it? No one checks whether you've actually tested negative - you just have to say that you have. 

[TrentFox]

5 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

Omicron has been in the UK for over 3 weeks and hospitalisations aren’t exactly unmanageable at the moment.

 

If you’re high risk, stay home and shield. It should be as simple as that really.

Sure. And, as they lose their freedom of movement, perhaps they can be joined at home by all those that elected not to be vaccinated and play their full part in clogging up the hospitals 👍

[filbertway]

3 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

7 times more transmissible doesn't mean it works 7 times faster.  It means that someone who has omicron may pass it on to 7 people for every 1 person they would have passed it on to with delta.

Anyway I was massively wrong, 70x not 7x haha.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-omicron-variant-multiplies-70-times-faster-than-delta-in-human-airways-study-finds-12497001

 

So if it replicates 70 times faster in airways that to me suggests that the disease in theory should affect someone 70x quicker. It apparently struggles to replicate in lung tissue, which is why it's usually less severe. Would also explain why people are experiencing stuff like runny noses more.