grobyfox1990 Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 16 hours ago, danny. said: You brought up stress as a justification "Haha yeh potentially highest stress moment since Deeney 2013" You haven't done anything to stress me out, it's not rational to want to take my stress out on you is it. But then someone celebrating their local sporting team's win is rational to want to punch them? "Agressors" it's a game not a war, Jesus. And yea, my job is often way more stressful than watching a football game, but I guess that depends on your job and how much you care about a game. I totally understand anger. Also frustration, and a whole gamut of emotions. Acting on that anger to attack people, it's just wrong. People annoy me literally every day, I don't go around punching them. Edit: I DO understand all this, I'm not an idiot. I also understand why someone would stab or shoot someone else if they were mouthy to them, slept with their partner etc. I understand it. But it's absolutely a horrible part of any uncivilised society and needs to stop. Strangely I think if we talked in person we’d be agreeing, but whilst typing, kind of lost in translation! The original quote I bought up was in relation to the quite disturbing post (which I now thankfully can’t see) comparing taking it too far at a game to justifying sexual violence. Disturbingly odd and worrying post. Aggressors was meant to identify the spurs fans’ attackers, attackers is the better word clearly! I think we differ in our view of type of stress. Like you my job can be high stress, multi national clients, volatile industry v high turnover means you’re never ‘safe’. One mistake away from being plastered all over the daily mail (a counterpart I worked with was nationally shamed on the DM for stealing muffins from the canteen!!) But I have a team and some control. In football you’re so helpless and it’s so quick!! Anyway, I think we mainly agree!!! 1
grobyfox1990 Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 16 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Youre a ****ing weirdo to draw that comparison Yeh agreed, this is what I am talking about in my above post. Bloody hell an odd comparison. To think it, type it, then press enter is, to be kind, quite weird
scinnell Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 (edited) Decided to sit in the home end and deserves the consequences. You don't do it and especially when there is recent bad blood between the two teams. Edited 22 January 2022 by scinnell 1
ozleicester Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 21 hours ago, danny. said: Ah, so no one was assaulted. Great news! thats not what happened! A spurs fan sat in L1, watched his team piss on ours, then beat the entire L1 block up.
leicsmac Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 12 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said: Football is great because it’s tribal. Because it’s raw emotion. Because there’s hatred and vitriol and rivalries that run way deeper than just the sport. The amount of posters in here wanting some kind of unsegregated theatre show where everything is nice and nothing is brutal or aggressive is astounding. It literally exists elsewhere, if that’s what you’re after - pop down to the rugby or the lower leagues of the game where the stakes are much smaller. Leave the brutal beauty of it to the rest of us. I'm interested in this; would you mind unpacking the link between the outpouring of negative emotions and that being a positive in more detail?
Leicester_Loyal Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 22 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said: Assault is clearly bad and again i want to reiterate i don't condone violence, and merely am not surprised by the actions here. However I have a millwall supporting colleague, he's not a knuckle dragging thug! He was telling me that one of their 'fans' has got multiple years in prison for stabbing an Everton fan in a scrap before a match in 2019. Millwall fans have raised £1000's for his family, held benefit nights, and are continuing with monthly contributions to 'help his family during such a hard time.' He showed me their forum, there is 100% support behind the thug and his actions as Everton fans 'brought it on themselves by walking through our manor and this was clearly too much for him to take', and universal condemnation for the length of sentence he got. Unbelivable!!!!! Imagine if a Spurs fan was caught celebrating there!!!! The Everton lad got stabbed with his own knife, he tried to use it, dropped it and the Millwall lad picked it up and used it on him Again, similar to this incident, if you're going to go around being an idiot, eventually it's going to catch up with you.
Mike Oxlong Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 33 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I'm interested in this; would you mind unpacking the link between the outpouring of negative emotions and that being a positive in more detail? I think he’s saying that if you’re not full of hatred and vitriol for whoever our opponents are on a particular day you don’t belong and should fvck off to the rugby, theatre or watching lower league football and the likes is a list of knuckledraggers who condone the away fan getting his face filled in by a group of lads 1
leicsmac Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said: I think he’s saying that if you’re not full of hatred and vitriol for whoever our opponents are on a particular day you don’t belong and should fvck off to the rugby, theatre or watching lower league football and the likes is a list of knuckledraggers who condone the away fan getting his face filled in by a group of lads It's possible, but I'm keeping an open mind and I'm genuinely interested.
Tim'llFixIt Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 On 20/01/2022 at 21:30, sammy82 said: I sat in the home section at forest when knockheart scored the late winner sneaking us into the playoffs, I had to fall down on the floor head in hands and pretend I was gutted when really I was screaming inside, my face was beetroot red! No one noticed thank **** or I might have got trouble I was there
Popular Post Tim'llFixIt Posted 22 January 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 January 2022 I'm sorry but this "you don't sit in the home end" stuff is absolutely thuggery. You don't fvcking assault people, it's like we're filtering the humans from the fvcking apes in this thread 3 1 3
leicsmac Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 3 minutes ago, Tim'llFixIt said: I'm sorry but this "you don't sit in the home end" stuff is absolutely thuggery. You don't fvcking assault people, it's like we're filtering the humans from the fvcking apes in this thread Personally, I find the difference of opinion regarding how much humans can or cannot control their hindbrain to the point of giving someone a fvcking kicking in times of emotional stress rather fascinating. 2
SpacedX Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 2 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Personally, I find the difference of opinion regarding how much humans can or cannot control their hindbrain to the point of giving someone a fvcking kicking in times of emotional stress rather fascinating. Always amuses me Mac when you channel your inner Mr. Spock. 4
grobyfox1990 Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 42 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: The Everton lad got stabbed with his own knife, he tried to use it, dropped it and the Millwall lad picked it up and used it on him Again, similar to this incident, if you're going to go around being an idiot, eventually it's going to catch up with you. Yeh I think that’s what happened, although a thread of south east London slang is hard to follow. Worth noting the millwall scumbag also had a knife on him, heard about the trouble, and went over looking for it. Imo the scum deserves prison as does the Evertonian!! If you’re ever at a loose end I would highly recommend the millwall forum, it’s unbelievably mad! 1
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: I'm interested in this; would you mind unpacking the link between the outpouring of negative emotions and that being a positive in more detail? Because it’s a release. Unfortunately life is not all sunshine and smiles. There’s testosterone and anger and aggression. Football gives people a sense of belonging/an identity and an opportunity to release that in a way that isn’t likely to cause anyone else issues unless they make stupid decisions (like this Spurs fan did). 2
The People's Hero Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 Some fella came down to Maidstone (think it was Tranmere) and gave it the biggun in the Wetherspoons. Saw him about half hour later in the street; clearly having taken a bit of a pasting. That was before the game. In the town centre. He wasn't even in the Maidstone 'end'. Conference, by the way. So yeah, whoever said you can act however you like if its non-league is... wrong. But I think you can probably get away with a lot more. Maybe just don't do a load of coke, down 6 stellas and start acting an absolute pri ck (on your own) when there are families about, I suppose.
The People's Hero Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 And surely this thread is very easily summarised. It isn't right to give someone a kicking. But the guy clearly brought it on himself. What he did was unbelievably stupid and the outcome was entirely predictable. 4
leicsmac Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 5 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said: Because it’s a release. Unfortunately life is not all sunshine and smiles. There’s testosterone and anger and aggression. Football gives people a sense of belonging/an identity and an opportunity to release that in a way that isn’t likely to cause anyone else issues unless they make stupid decisions (like this Spurs fan did). Catharsis for our darker, more base instincts that cannot be controlled, then? That makes sense, thank you. I would also hope that it is not all, or even most, of what football is and means. 2
whoareyaaa Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 I remember two Leicester fans fighting with each other in L1 back in the day so this chap had no chance. 1
sacreblueits442 Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Catharsis for our darker, more base instincts that cannot be controlled, then? That makes sense, thank you. I would also hope that it is not all, or even most, of what football is and means. ...it perhaps may also explain the atmosphere at the ground and the perception that the club is looking to eradicate attitudes where an assault on an individual can be deemed a legitimate action, due to his location within the ground!!! The response from @Freeman's Wharfer is not a far fetched look at this aspect of the game and his theory would be borne out I would think by research. It doesn't mean that what transpired was correct, but some decisions lead to unpalatable consequences. 1
leicsmac Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...it perhaps may also explain the atmosphere at the ground and the perception that the club is looking to eradicate attitudes where an assault on an individual can be deemed a legitimate action, due to his location within the ground!!! The response from @Freeman's Wharfer is not a far fetched look at this aspect of the game and his theory would be borne out I would think by research. It doesn't mean that what transpired was correct, but some decisions lead to unpalatable consequences. I think the explanation makes sense too, but it does leave some interesting but rather dark questions regarding the human psyche and the ethics of it all. 1
sacreblueits442 Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: I think the explanation makes sense too, but it does leave some interesting but rather dark questions regarding the human psyche and the ethics of it all. ...that topic could be bigger than Nicky Maynards...let's not go there!!! 1
coolcol Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 On 20/01/2022 at 22:51, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said: I'm going to the forest game in the fa cup in the forest seats. I'll be very quiet Well done you, how did you get tickets ??
los dedos Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I think the explanation makes sense too, but it does leave some interesting but rather dark questions regarding the human psyche and the ethics of it all. @leicsmac not a dig or anything but I've never seen you comment on actual football . You're normally quite prolific in general chat and appear here during non football chat . Thoughts on Rodgers ? Favourite player ? Kop for Family stand ? Edited 22 January 2022 by los dedos 1
Benguin Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Corky said: One key difference in this frankly absurd comparison is that being an opposition fan in a home section is an offence. Did he deserve it? Maybe, maybe not. But he shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's only absurd If there's genuine justification for violence in certain circumstances. I might be wrong but can't see what law you'd be breaking.
leicsmac Posted 22 January 2022 Posted 22 January 2022 2 minutes ago, los dedos said: @leicsmac not a dig or anything but I've never seen you comment on actual football . You're normally quite prolific in general chat and appear here during non football chat . Thoughts on Rodgers ? Favourite player ? Kop for Family stand ? No offence taken! I tend to leave the discussion regarding football itself to people who know more and have looked more about the ins and outs of the game than I do - which is quite a few people on here, I would think. I'm happy just to listen, learn and absorb their viewpoints on such things without contributing my own. But in answer: there's clearly a tactical deficiency in Rodgers' thinking but he's hampered by injuries and I'm entirely unsure about who we could get in as an obviously better replacement for him right now so I'd rather stick than twist at the moment, Vardy (the legend speaks for itself there), and swap the fvcker up for the entertainment value, in that order. 2
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