Spurs fan in L1

[jayfox26]

14 hours ago, Shit_arse said:

how brave of our fans to assault him

 

embarrassing on both a parts 

I'm not a violent person and certainly don't condone violence, but I have no sympathy for any away fan who causes shit in the home end at a football game. I've watched Leicester many times at away games sat in the home end, even when we beat Burnley in the great escape season when they missed a pen and vardy scored at the other end, and me and my nephew just sat on our hands watching the leicester fans in the away end going wild. Sane when we won at Burnley when Maguire was sent off and Morgan scored a last minute winner. Aside from not wanting to get my head kicked in, I think it's massively disrespectful to sit amongst home fans and celebrate goals for the away team. 

[Spudulike]

6 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I did it when we won 3-0 at Man City when the Eithad (or City of Man as was known then). Feckin horrible 

I'd probably be OK at the Etihad as shouting come on CITY isn't likely to draw attention. 

[Mike Oxlong]

6 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

I'm not a violent person and certainly don't condone violence, but I have no sympathy for any away fan who causes shit in the home end at a football game. I've watched Leicester many times at away games sat in the home end, even when we beat Burnley in the great escape season when they missed a pen and vardy scored at the other end, and me and my nephew just sat on our hands watching the leicester fans in the away end going wild. Sane when we won at Burnley when Maguire was sent off and Morgan scored a last minute winner. Aside from not wanting to get my head kicked in, I think it's massively disrespectful to sit amongst home fans and celebrate goals for the away team. 

If you go to the rugby, fans mingle and cheer their team without problems. They all  have something in common as fans of the sport 

 

In football we expect good sportsmanship and fair play on the pitch and act like bellends and kick the crap out of each other off it 

 

I thought we were getting past the stone island crew mentality with kids and old blokes dressed like kids having to show how hard they are but I guess a bit of aggro is still ingrained in football culture 

[Nalis]

17 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

If you go to the rugby, fans mingle and cheer their team without problems. They all  have something in common as fans of the sport 

 

In football we expect good sportsmanship and fair play on the pitch and act like bellends and kick the crap out of each other off it 

 

I thought we were getting past the stone island crew mentality with kids and old blokes dressed like kids having to show how hard they are but I guess a bit of aggro is still ingrained in football culture 

I've wondered if they would ever gradually do away with segregation in football but it would be very difficult on a large scale at domestic level. Non leagues wouldnt have segregation from a certain level down, am I right in thinking there isnt segregation in the euros or world cup? 

[smudger63]

Remember the league Cup final with Tottenham, when we had their fans in our end causing trouble, including hitting a female leicester fan.  Any kind of sympathy with anything Totenham related evaporated after that.  Absolute scum.  In terms of the guy in L1, I don't condone what happened, but he has to be aware of what may happen and act accordingly. If he didn't then he was a mug! 

[Spudulike]

27 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

If you go to the rugby, fans mingle and cheer their team without problems. They all  have something in common as fans of the sport 

 

In football we expect good sportsmanship and fair play on the pitch and act like bellends and kick the crap out of each other off it 

 

I thought we were getting past the stone island crew mentality with kids and old blokes dressed like kids having to show how hard they are but I guess a bit of aggro is still ingrained in football culture 

I believe that is true in rugby. However, I don't think that football fans generally support 'football' in a similar generic style. We tend to be supporters of our clubs and follow the if you're not with us, you're against us mantra. The culture isn't the same, it's tribal and we tend to take offence at those against us that cheer when we lose. 

[Mike Oxlong]

7 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I believe that is true in rugby. However, I don't think that football fans generally support 'football' in a similar generic style. We tend to be supporters of our clubs and follow the if you're not with us, you're against us mantra. The culture isn't the same, it's tribal and we tend to take offence at those against us that cheer when we lose. 

If I meet a football fan in general life we’ll chat about their team and my team and football in general (unless they’re a Man Utd fan in which case we only talk about their team or don’t talk at all). In this day and age particularly I find the concept of filling someone in because they support another team a bit strange unless there was a a very high level of goading that goes well beyond sitting in a certain part of the ground and celebrating your team scoring a goal. 

[Manini]

30 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

unless they’re a Man Utd fan in which case we only talk about their team or don’t talk at all

So true that 

[ealingfox]

10 hours ago, Shit_arse said:

I wouldn't expect him to be assaulted. 

 

Laughable that so many in here think it's acceptable. 

 

Yeah they should have killed him 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Mike Oxlong said:

If you go to the rugby, fans mingle and cheer their team without problems. They all  have something in common as fans of the sport 

 

In football we expect good sportsmanship and fair play on the pitch and act like bellends and kick the crap out of each other off it 

 

I thought we were getting past the stone island crew mentality with kids and old blokes dressed like kids having to show how hard they are but I guess a bit of aggro is still ingrained in football culture 

We don't want to take rivalries out of football though.

 

Last thing I want to see, as a football fan, is Spurs fans sat with Arsenal fans.

 

Obviously we don't want trouble but it's still good to see videos of fans getting escorted to their rivals and such a derby being played. We're lucky to have so many good rivalries in the Premier League, Football League and non league.

[Guest bennytwohats]

36 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

If I meet a football fan in general life we’ll chat about their team and my team and football in general (unless they’re a Man Utd fan in which case we only talk about their team or don’t talk at all). In this day and age particularly I find the concept of filling someone in because they support another team a bit strange unless there was a a very high level of goading that goes well beyond sitting in a certain part of the ground and celebrating your team scoring a goal. 

Quite.

 

Im quite astonished at the prevailing views in this thread. Yes the guy was stupid and naive. But surely we can be better than being pleased he got his head kicked in for being stupid and naive?

 

There are very few things in this life I feel genuinely warrant someone getting beat up by a big group of people. Supporting another football team and acting a tit certainly isn’t one of them. 

[Guest bennytwohats]

7 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We don't want to take rivalries out of football though.

 

Last thing I want to see, as a football fan, is Spurs fans sat with Arsenal fans.

 

Obviously we don't want trouble but it's still good to see videos of fans getting escorted to their rivals and such a derby being played. We're lucky to have so many good rivalries in the Premier League, Football League and non league.

What makes you think we can’t still have a good rivalry with fans sitting near each other? To me the barrier is incidents like this - we can’t be trusted to do it without acting like Neanderthals. If we could behave like adults then I actually think fans sitting amongst fans would make the rivalries even better, not worse. Never been to the pub to watch a game with your mate supporting the other team? The competition is a lot more intense when you have someone next to you who will be celebrating if you lose, and distraught if you win.

 

We miss all of that because a bunch of man babies need to find someone to fight to feel tough and manly - it’s utterly pathetic

Edited 21 January 2022 by bennytwohats

[Mike Oxlong]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We don't want to take rivalries out of football though.

 

Last thing I want to see, as a football fan, is Spurs fans sat with Arsenal fans.

 

Obviously we don't want trouble but it's still good to see videos of fans getting escorted to their rivals and such a derby being played. We're lucky to have so many good rivalries in the Premier League, Football League and non league.

But you can still have intense rivalries without kicking the shit out of each other. I agree that separate supporter sections are better than general mingling as an important part of the atmosphere and rivalry but that doesn’t equate to giving a pasting to those fans who are sitting away from the body of their own support 

[GlennyFox55]

Spurs fan celebrates wildly and goads our main home end when sat in our section and people are surprised a few have responded to it 

 

Im sure i would have kept my cool if i had some mouthy cockney jumping all over me when they went 3-2 up.

 

[Guest bennytwohats]

1 minute ago, GlennyFox55 said:

Spurs fan celebrates wildly and goads our main home end when sat in our section and people are surprised a few have responded to it 

 

Im sure i would have kept my cool if i had some mouthy cockney jumping all over me when they went 3-2 up.

 

No, I don’t think anyone is surprised at all. There are just some people not condoning it.

[Spudulike]

My ex next door neighbour invited me to his house to watch the Cardiff play off semi second leg in his house as I didn't have Sky. He's a TV Tottenham fan although not from London and although being English followed the Wales rugby team as he went to uni in Cardiff. I accepted his kind offer in good faith but wished I had declined. He spent the whole game shouting at the telly cheering on Cardiff and generally taking the piss especially during the pens. He knew what it meant to me as an active, match attending fan, and it was his house, his telly so can do what he likes. Banter, I suppose. Although emotionally charged that night, I was offended but stopped short of filling him in. I most probably would've chucked him out had it been in my house. I hardly ever spoke to him again after that. Perhaps if it was rugby we could've had a mutual appreciation of how good the match had been. It wasn't and I didn't care. Football fans are different. 

[SpacedX]

Away supporters used to be admitted to the Double Decker at Filbert Street with no segregation. If you were in the Kop below you knew it had kicked off because you could hear the rumbling and the Main Stand would be looking up and to their right instead of watching the game. 

[Mike Oxlong]

1 minute ago, Spudulike said:

My ex next door neighbour invited me to his house to watch the Cardiff play off semi second leg in his house as I didn't have Sky. He's a TV Tottenham fan although not from London and although being English followed the Wales rugby team as he went to uni in Cardiff. I accepted his kind offer in good faith but wished I had declined. He spent the whole game shouting at the telly cheering on Cardiff and generally taking the piss especially during the pens. He knew what it meant to me as an active, match attending fan, and it was his house, his telly so can do what he likes. Banter, I suppose. Although emotionally charged that night, I was offended but stopped short of filling him in. I most probably would've chucked him out had it been in my house. I hardly ever spoke to him again after that. Perhaps if it was rugby we could've had a mutual appreciation of how good the match had been. It wasn't and I didn't care. Football fans are different. 

Some are yeah, but still a small minority who need to prove how tough they are. 

[KrefelderFox666]

2 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

If you go to the rugby, fans mingle and cheer their team without problems. They all  have something in common as fans of the sport 

 

In football we expect good sportsmanship and fair play on the pitch and act like bellends and kick the crap out of each other off it 

 

I thought we were getting past the stone island crew mentality with kids and old blokes dressed like kids having to show how hard they are but I guess a bit of aggro is still ingrained in football culture 

It's not football in general though. It's British football (and some other countries around the world) but not everyone. You can go to a lot of European games (e.g. Bundesliga) and fans are mixing. When Bayern or Dortmund (two good examples with huge away followings) play somewhere, the home ends can be full of away fans and it works, very little aggro. Normally every ground has a "Kop" type section where away fans are not allowed/welcome but in the rest of the ground it is happy mixing.

 

Of course you will no doubt get comments but it doesn't immediately go into a fist fight if an away fan is noticed. Also worth noting that they happily wear colours. There may be the odd exception like local derbies but even something like Dortmund vs Schalke, you get people mixing without trouble.

[TamworthFoxes]

The main conclusion from this tale is that if you do stupid things there are consequences.

 

This chap must have spent the whole 90 minutes in that seat aware of the type of people around him.  It would have been obvious it wasn;t the family stand or the corporate prawn sandwich area.

So when his team score last minute hes got a choice, stay quiet and walk out unscathed or celebrate and face the consequences.  He chose the stupid decision and paid the price.

 

In the same way that people who flee this country and fight for/support ISIS end up dead or exiled forever.  Same scenario, stupid decision = consequences.

 

No sympathy whatsoever.  Dont stick fireworks up your arse and complain of a burnt bum.

[ren]

Part and parcel of sitting in the home end is you either keep quiet or celebrate and face the consequences. That guys got to either have a screw loose or be very naive to even stand in L1 never mind celebrate.

The club have tried to paint us with the family club image since moving to the Walkers/KP but  the top of L1 will be up there with the worst places to celebrate a goal as an away fan in the country, but saying that the family stand probably still would've filled him in.

There's not many grounds you'd get away with that in their main stands of standing supporters, Brighton probably an exception as shown with the Palace fans taking the piss there

 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

6 minutes ago, TamworthFoxes said:

The main conclusion from this tale is that if you do stupid things there are consequences.

 

This chap must have spent the whole 90 minutes in that seat aware of the type of people around him.  It would have been obvious it wasn;t the family stand or the corporate prawn sandwich area.

So when his team score last minute hes got a choice, stay quiet and walk out unscathed or celebrate and face the consequences.  He chose the stupid decision and paid the price.

 

In the same way that people who flee this country and fight for/support ISIS end up dead or exiled forever.  Same scenario, stupid decision = consequences.

 

No sympathy whatsoever.  Dont stick fireworks up your arse and complain of a burnt bum.

Celebrating a goal in the wrong end is just like fleeing the country and fighting for isis, I've never looked at it that way before, thanks for enlightening me. 

[Rain King]

Sat in the home end at Stamford Bridge for our 1-1 draw on the last day of the title winning season.

 

Couldn't help but cheer when we scored, was just a natural reaction but soon caught myself and stopped. To be fair Chelsea fans were pretty much cheering us that day and they were all laughing.

[fazzyfox]

Vs Arsenal, the famous one with Walshys late goal (and Bergkamp played alright I suppose), we were in the double decker and some Arsenal fans were winding up home fans, next thing you know there's a couple of guys having a full on punch up and coming along the row behind towards us. We had the Foxy ladies cheerleaders sat behind us and being chivalrous and concerned for their safety I stood up and put my arm across (you know, that measure that is guaranteed to stop two heavyweights who are going hammer and tongs at each other). No need....one of the cheerleaders shouts "Oi!" and starts whacking the Arsenal fan with her LCFC umbrella. He lay on the floor squealing for help as the teenaged Scrappy-Doo-esque dynamo gave him a thorough hiding. A one off or were they really undercover super stewards? 

Edited 21 January 2022 by fazzyfox

[SemperEadem]

Absolute morons the Leicester fans who gave/sold the two tickets to the Spurs fans.