Justin criticises Rodgers?

[Blue-fox]

One thing that does concern me is the fact he’s played a full 90. Can’t be good for his dodgy Bruce can it

[NaijaFox]

4 hours ago, reynard said:

As far as I can recall we employ professional footballers and pay them a considerable amount of money per week to do their job. They may not like 5 at the back and neither might we but it isn't that hard to play it and it isn't like we don't ever play it or presumably train for it.

They should all show a bit more steel, fight and carry out the basics of the game such as jumping for headers, marking players and passing to team mates a bit more than they are at the moment.

I agree the tactics aren't right but even more baffling to me is the complete ineptitude shown by our players for most of this season.

They did...

But the ball kept coming back - because the manager set them up with practically no viable outlet.

 

[NaijaFox]

5 hours ago, Sampson said:

The switch to a back 5 shouldn't mean you lose Wellbeck when he's your man and not jump for a header tbf.

 

Perfectly OK to blame Rodgers for the tactical shift inviting pressure, but Justin himself was most at fault for the goal for not doing the basics of defending.

He shouldn't even have been put in that situation...

Not only switching to a formation that we routinely sucked in, but playing a FB as a makeshift CB!

[sacreblueits442]

8 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

Radio Leicester shit-stirring as usual. Just trying to wind people up and get them phoning up in a desperate attempt to appear to be even slightly relevant.

...that was not the case!!!

Matt Piper commented on the interview and was surprised at what he believed was said and meant by JJ. There was no intention to put words in his (JJ's) mouth or to sensationalise the interview. I interpreted the interview the same as Piper and found his honesty refreshing.

   Depending on how it was viewed by the club, there may be heat coming his way, and we might hear about it tomorrow.

[sacreblueits442]

8 hours ago, CloudFox said:

Completely agree with your interpretation. People are looking for opportunities to stick the knife into Rodgers, but that's not what JJ was saying at all - he was just talking about the mentality.

 

My concern is what he mentions about needing 'a couple of players lifting us up'. Does he mean players returning from injury? Or more of the team needing to show leadership? It has to be the latter, as none of our injured players are due to come back soon. In which case, it sounds like the biggest issue is confidence: we just don't seem confident we can hold onto a lead at the moment.

.....where does the mentality come from and what was it that caused it to raise its head in that moment!!!

In regards to the players to lift us up comment, I feel he was referring to players on the pitch in that game. There were certain players who were not heavily involved in the game and these are players you would look to.

 If anything we might have just found our leader on the park, but that is just my take on what was said.

[Old git]

I think Rodgers has loads of good points and at times over the last couple of years we have played some of the most attractive football I have ever seen by a Leicester team and I’m 61! (Only Jimmy Bloomfield’s team in the 70’s come close).

However, his use of 5 at the back (please don’t pretend it’s 3 at the back), just does not work.  He tends to use it against the big teams, or against any club when he tries to see a game out.

The Brighton game just shows how it doesn’t work for us.  A good even game, where we had the lead and looked the more likely to win, totally changed in the last 25 mins when he went to a back 5. It was negative and invited Brighton on. If any team looked like winning in the last 25 mins it was Brighton.

 

4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 have been the most successful for Rodgers, he needs to keep it that way.

[st albans fox]

Rodgers decision to go to a back five was simply down to his fear of lamptey  against Luke 1 v 1

he moved ademola that side because he feels he is more disciplined than Harvey 

 

I think he would have been better keeping a four, putting Marc at left midfield to double up with Luke and bringing hamza on to screen the back four properly. 

[Bayfox]

14 hours ago, FuriousFox46 said:

Could easily blame Thomas for giving Maupay three and a half hours to tee up the cross 

Could 3asily blame an international CB for looking up seeing he had no forward pass and just knocking the ball 4 yards to Thomas knowing he had no were to go with it either.

[gerblod]

14 hours ago, Sampson said:

Not necessarily true though is it?

 

Rodgers unnecessarily invited pressure, but we absolutely *would* have had all 3 points today if Rodgers had still made the tactical shift and Justin hadn't lost his marked player.

 

Weird how this has everything to do with "my life". Also have no idea why you think I'm defending Rodgers here, I'm not. Rodgers unnecessarily invited pressure on us, but what do the previous games this season have to do with your claim that Justin's 2 errors haven't directly cost us 4 points in the last 2 games? They obviously have.

 

I'm not defending Rodgers, but it's also just weird to try andclaim Justin hasn't been directly at fault for goals in the past 2 games and cost us 4pts. Of course he'll get sympathy because of his recent injury, but they were mostly lapses of not recognising where the player he should have been marking had gone and if Vestergaard had made those 2 errors all hell would've broken loose against him on here.

Wow - straight in on Justin after just 1.3 games. 

His importance to the team means that he has to be reintroduced quickly. His eleven month absence (recent injury?) means he won't be up to match speed and all that implies - in terms of positioning and reaction time.

 

Does Rodgers leave him out and thereby indicate that the season is effectively over or accept that picking him might mean mistakes being made.

 

I can see that Rodgers is stuck between a rock and a hard place and I accept his decision to bring JJ back. The defence needs all the steadying available. It's not been available from his 'up-and-running' transfers-in, so why not get a superior player back in the team?

 

Justin's 'lapses' pale in comparison with Rodgers timidity in ceding attack potency by withdrawing strikers in the later stages of games. He's done it with Daka, Lookman and Iheanacho in several games - when their threat might have meant the opposition being tied up in defensive play. Attack is the best form of defence, especially, in City's case, when defence is so weakened and disorganised that any increase in pressure is likely to result in late turn-arounds.

My doubts about Rodgers match strategy and responses are not being alleviated - rather, the opposite is true.

 

 

 

 

[Nod.E]

6 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.....where does the mentality come from and what was it that caused it to raise its head in that moment!!!

In regards to the players to lift us up comment, I feel he was referring to players on the pitch in that game. There were certain players who were not heavily involved in the game and these are players you would look to.

 If anything we might have just found our leader on the park, but that is just my take on what was said.

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Edited 24 January 2022 by Nod.E

[Nod.E]

6 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...that was not the case!!!

Matt Piper commented on the interview and was surprised at what he believed was said and meant by JJ. There was no intention to put words in his (JJ's) mouth or to sensationalise the interview. I interpreted the interview the same as Piper and found his honesty refreshing.

   Depending on how it was viewed by the club, there may be heat coming his way, and we might hear about it tomorrow.

Or, you and an intellectually challenged Matt Piper have both got it sensationally wrong.

[Pliskin]

Just listened to it, and it’s a fair comment from JJ… you can blame individual players, but at the end of the day Rodgers changed the formation to accommodate…… Danny Welbeck, who ****ing scored anyway…… 

 

Taking off most of your attack (Daka I know had cramp) to sit in against Brighton was simply inviting on pressure, and was plain defeatist.

 

We drew the game because of another tactical cock up from Rodgers. 

[Long Eaton Fox]

Justin is a full back and not CB. Soy or Amartey should have been marking welbeck.

[Mullet1]

I’m not sure BR wanted us to play 5 at the back. I’m sure when Albrighton came on I saw BR say 3-5-2 and then Albrighton confirmed this to someone on the field? 

[Lambert09]

18 hours ago, Blue-fox said:

One thing that does concern me is the fact he’s played a full 90. Can’t be good for his dodgy Bruce can it

He has a long break until the next game now. Probably a good time to get the minutes in and let him fully recover. 

[hejammy]

13 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

He has a long break until the next game now. Probably a good time to get the minutes in and let him fully recover. 

In his interview JJ alluded to the fact that he didn't want to play until he was 100%. He also played in the U23 game, so I think him playing for a full 90 mins was completely fine, He was one of the better players out there yesterday and looked fitter than most of the others.

[st albans fox]

50 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Justin is a full back and not CB. Soy or Amartey should have been marking welbeck.

JJ has played in a three before for us.  i was surprised to see him on the right of the three. he is the most comfortable of the three CB's on his left foot so would have made sense for him to be covering behind luke where lamptey was likely to pose the most problems for us. this accepts going to 3 atb - of course you can argue that wasn't the best decision.  and brighton were always going to try and get welbeck against JJ on crosses.

[coolhandfox]

50 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Just listened to it, and it’s a fair comment from JJ… you can blame individual players, but at the end of the day Rodgers changed the formation to accommodate…… Danny Welbeck, who ****ing scored anyway…… 

Does matter what formation you play if you don't do the basics right, closed down and winning individual duels 

50 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

 

Taking off most of your attack (Daka I know had cramp) to sit in against Brighton was simply inviting on pressure, and was plain defeatist.

Or managing players, bloke can't win, Barnes, Lookman and Daka looked gassed, we pick up a couple of injures keeping them on he is slaughtered 

 

50 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

 

We drew the game because of another tactical cock up from Rodgers. 

Lets forget two players in Albrighton and Justin let Welback win a header between them.

 

Vestiguarrd cost us losing a header with 12 seconds to go against Spurs, Wilf cost us losing a header with seconds to go away at Liverpool.  

 

 

[BKLFox]

What's all the kerfuffle over a change of shape, its an internationally recognised footballing shape not some weird never before seen variant from the vaults of Rodgers celler, all he did was change to match up to their change which on paper should cancel out their change.
These guys are professionals or meant to be they shouldn't be losing their heads over a change of set-up but as pointed out by a few the out was played with no composure, every clearance was an aimless hack at the ball which i'm sure isn't coming straight off the training field, this resulted in the 1 way traffic near the end if the guys could have kept their heads & played out to another player that has kept his head & found space but they couldn't. He asked them to go into a matched up shape, he didn't ask them to tie their legs together, he's asked them to go with their runner, you win your personal battles you win the match.

 

At the end of the day whilst our fully fit squad is yes arguably better than theirs, on the day they had a better bench with Lamptey & Welbeck better than what was available to us due to injury/afcon. Lamptey changed the game for them with his pace against a tiring LB/LM. It was the same v Spurs Doherty changed the game in their favour when he came on we don't have possible game changers available to us currently.
 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Mullet1 said:

I’m not sure BR wanted us to play 5 at the back. I’m sure when Albrighton came on I saw BR say 3-5-2 and then Albrighton confirmed this to someone on the field? 

...3-5-2 morphs into 5-3-2 when defending, we are not good at playing with a back 3!!!

[Lambert09]

55 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Does matter what formation you play if you don't do the basics right, closed down and winning individual duels 

Or managing players, bloke can't win, Barnes, Lookman and Daka looked gassed, we pick up a couple of injures keeping them on he is slaughtered 

 

Lets forget two players in Albrighton and Justin let Welback win a header between them.

 

Vestiguarrd cost us losing a header with 12 seconds to go against Spurs, Wilf cost us losing a header with seconds to go away at Liverpool.  

 

 

I’m surprised the criticism comes in here. Danny welbeck will always win those duals. I really don’t get why people are criticizing a right back and right winger for not winning that header.... it’s the person who set us up for them to be marking them that created the issue 

[coolhandfox]

44 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I’m surprised the criticism comes in here. Danny welbeck will always win those duals. I really don’t get why people are criticizing a right back and right winger for not winning that header.... it’s the person who set us up for them to be marking them that created the issue 

He is still going to pull off onto the fullback where you are in a 5 or a 4, classic Centre forward playing pulling out to the back post 

 

 

 

 

[Lambert09]

31 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

He is still going to pull off onto the fullback where you are in a 5 or a 4, classic Centre forward playing pulling out to the back post 

 

 

 

 

Well yeah of course. But my point is it’s a bit of an odd criticism. He tried his best, and was our jumped by the taller man, who simply is only good at heading. 
 

huth and Wes conceded one like that when he played for arsenal.

[Chrysalis]

Why dont people just quote him?

[Chrysalis]

On 23/01/2022 at 17:22, turlo said:

his exact words were "we started off the second half well and then kind of retreated back into our shell, which we've done quite a lot" 

Thank you.

 

He is right of course, but not sure thats a dig at the manager.