Lesta2014 Posted 31 January 2022 Author Posted 31 January 2022 Have sky got a reporter at the training ground or stadium today?
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 31 January 2022 Popular Post Posted 31 January 2022 1 minute ago, SecretPro said: Why are we so piss poor compared to the likes of Villa / West Ham? Neither of them have spent £100m on a state of the art training ground and probably a similar amount again on a stadium development (in fact one of them basically got a free stadium they pay barely any rent on) 7
mozartfox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said: Have sky got a reporter at the training ground or stadium today? What for? Waste of a Reporter.
Lesta2014 Posted 31 January 2022 Author Posted 31 January 2022 2 minutes ago, mozartfox said: What for? Waste of a Reporter. Usually have one there, if they don’t then they obviously think no chance of anything happening as like you say it’d be a waste of a reporter
Ric Flair Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 We opted not to seriously try and strengthen the previous 2 January's when we were cemented in the top 4 and could afford a bit off a drop off and still qualify and yet we still chose not to. To make that mistake once, fair enough but to do up twice was very frustrating. Yes we still got the FA Cup but nobody can excuse the two top 4 failures with anything other than the squad ran out of steam and lost confidence. We needed that shot in the arm come in in January both seasons. 4
Popular Post TiffToff88 Posted 31 January 2022 Popular Post Posted 31 January 2022 5 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Neither of them have spent £100m on a state of the art training ground and probably a similar amount again on a stadium development (in fact one of them basically got a free stadium they pay barely any rent on) Exactly. It's amazing how many people here seem to miss this little detail. And someone mentioned on the first page in here that our ambition has taken a dive off a cliff. Surely spending in the region of £200m on the Clubs infrastructure shows more long term ambition than spunking £25m on another stop-gap CB 8 1
mozartfox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 The lack of CB activity `may´ indicate Little Wes is not that far off?
Scotch Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 1 minute ago, mozartfox said: The lack of CB activity `may´ indicate Little Wes is not that far off? He may not be far off a return but there is no real way of knowing how far off he is from the kind of form he was in pre injury. Myself, I wouldn't be surprised if it was next season, we see him back to his best given how folk usually return for us following serious injuries.
smudger63 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, TiffToff88 said: Exactly. It's amazing how many people here seem to miss this little detail. And someone mentioned on the first page in here that our ambition has taken a dive off a cliff. Surely spending in the region of £200m on the Clubs infrastructure shows more long term ambition than spunking £25m on another stop-gap CB Long term ambition is well and good, but you also have to keep your eyes focused on the here and now, and be careful not to stand still, because standing still in this league means slowly going backwards, and before you know it, you turn into Stoke and get relegated, and are left wondering how the hell that happened. You can have the best training ground and modern stadium in the world, but if you're playing your football in the championship, that counts for nothing, and the quality of player attracted to playing for you goes down and you play in front of three quarter full stadiums. We are certainly not at that stage yet, but we do need to be very careful not to take our eye off the ball on the playing side, and concentrate our focus solely on the infrastructure thinking that will be enough to keep us going forward as a football club Edited 31 January 2022 by smudger63
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 31 January 2022 Popular Post Posted 31 January 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: We opted not to seriously try and strengthen the previous 2 January's when we were cemented in the top 4 and could afford a bit off a drop off and still qualify and yet we still chose not to. To make that mistake once, fair enough but to do up twice was very frustrating. Yes we still got the FA Cup but nobody can excuse the two top 4 failures with anything other than the squad ran out of steam and lost confidence. We needed that shot in the arm come in in January both seasons. Easy to see it as a mistake but at the end of the day there's an allotted budget for the season. It's not necessarily a mistake to spend all of that in June and not leave anything in case you might need it in January. Money we spend in January has to come from somewhere, it should be fairly obvious by now that we don't have the sort of owners that are going to senselessly plump millions of their own capital in repeatedly to buy players. Its just not us. We would all love it if Top could and would take spending just up one more notch to be able to challenge the likes of West Ham to winter dips for a cheeky Raphinha bid or something. However, I'm sure we'd all choose future sustainability over that. None of us are looking across the league at the consequences of Everton's silly over spending and wishing that was us. Watching Villa tee themselves up to go the same way and seeing us where we are, I'm happier in our position than that. Edited 31 January 2022 by Finnegan 5
Ric Flair Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: Easy to see it as a mistake but at the end of the day there's an allotted budget for the season. It's not necessarily a mistake to spend all of that in June and not leave anything in case you might need it in January. Money we spend in January has to come from somewhere, it should be fairly obvious by now that we don't have the sort of owners that are going to senselessly plump millions of their own capital in repeatedly to buy players. Its just not us. We would all love it if Top could and would take spending just up one more notch to be able to challenge the likes of West Ham to winter dips for a cheeky Raphinha bid or something. However, I'm sure we'd all choose future sustainability over that. None of us are looking across the league at the consequences of Everton's silly over spending and wishing that was us. Watching Villa tee themselves up to go the same way and seeing us where we are, I'm happy in our position than that. The way in which deals are financed, loans with options/obligations to buy kick the cost down the road so that they get amortised even later. I fully understand its highly unlikely we'll be spending proper money of a January unless a high value player has departed as well but there's deals we could probably do with the option of it coming out of 22/23 budget to make it permanent.
RowlattsFox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 If Phil Jones came here, he would be injured by the end of February With his and our record.
Ric Flair Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 If we are to get a CB in today we might have to play it clever, Newcastle are also desperate and we need to have several options to be pursuing and try and trick Newcastle in to the crappest or can we package Vestergaard up as Diego Carlos for them?
lgfualol Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 3 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: If Phil Jones came here, he would be injured by the end of February With his and our record. You think he'd last a month? Probably would be ****ed after 1 training session
Finnegan Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: The way in which deals are financed, loans with options/obligations to buy kick the cost down the road so that they get amortised even later. Yeah but kicking costs down the road and pretending debts don't have to be paid is how the whole planet almost bankrupted itself. It's still not sensible really and it's still a gamble, we buy those players and still finish 5th and the foundations start crumbling on what you're trying to build. It's frustrating but it's also sensible.
HybridFox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 35 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said: Have sky got a reporter at the training ground or stadium today? What a waste of travel expenses
Will1981 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 (edited) I will be more than happy if we do not sign anyone this window, the league season is pretty much over for us and the squad we currently have should be able to finish mid table in the league and have a good crack at the two cup competitions. In the long term I feel the club needs a cap on the wages we pay as currently we are not big enough to be spending 140-150k a week on wages and although I agree that the likes of Kasper and Vardy fully desearve the wages they are on for everything they have achieved with us and their loyalty, when they finaly leave or retire the club should cap the maximum wage at under 100k a week. We should focus on developing are own talent through the youth teams and buying young players with potential. Edited 31 January 2022 by Will1981
An Sionnach Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 19 minutes ago, smudger63 said: Long term ambition is well and good, but you also have to keep your eyes focused on the here and now, and be careful not to stand still, because standing still in this league means slowly going backwards, and before you know it, you turn into Stoke and get relegated, and are left wondering how the hell that happened. You can have the best training ground and modern stadium in the world, but if you're playing your football in the championship, that counts for nothing, and the quality of player attracted to playing for you goes down and you play in front of three quarter full stadiums. We are certainly not at that stage yet, but we do need to be very careful not to take our eye off the ball on the playing side, and concentrate our focus solely on the infrastructure thinking that will be enough to keep us going forward as a football club I have never been sure that the transfer market ever solves immediate problems. If we need to Nelson can step up and get his chance. These young players need to be used when we are short. Liverpool do that even with their squad.
Jobyfox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 I saw a report the other day about how much teams have lost in terms of turnover during the pandemic. There were quite a few teams higher than us, but their turnover was much greater than ours to start with (the likes of Manchester United etc.). In terms of losses as a percentage of our overall, expected, turnover we were at the very top of the list. I’m not sure why we’d be more adversely affected than other clubs, but it might go some way to explain our relative inaction in the transfer market.
Nalis Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 19 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: If we are to get a CB in today we might have to play it clever, Newcastle are also desperate and we need to have several options to be pursuing and try and trick Newcastle in to the crappest or can we package Vestergaard up as Diego Carlos for them? I thought initially that maybe he'd be good enough to keep a side up but not good enough for us though I dont think he's even in the former bracket. Shame as your idea could have worked for us.
smudger63 Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 1 minute ago, An Sionnach said: I have never been sure that the transfer market ever solves immediate problems. If we need to Nelson can step up and get his chance. These young players need to be used when we are short. Liverpool do that even with their squad. I'm not too worried about this transfer window to be honest. I think from a league point of view, this season is a write off and don't really see anything better than a mid table finish at best. Moving forward though, we do need to keep our eye on the ball, and not think that we can just drift along for a few seasons bringing the Premier money in while we fund the infrastructure, because that's when you end up getting left behind, and instead of drifting along comfortably, you suddenly end up in relegation fights. As I said, we are not at that point currently, but I am a little concerned that we may start feeling comfortable in mid table, while we focus on the infrastructure, and start on that slippery slope.
coolhandfox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SecretPro said: Why are we so piss poor compared to the likes of Villa / West Ham? Because we are not willing to mortgage our future as much as them. You only need to look down the road at Derby to see how it can all go wrong or look to ours past. Edited 31 January 2022 by coolhandfox
Jobyfox Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 31 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: If we are to get a CB in today we might have to play it clever, Newcastle are also desperate and we need to have several options to be pursuing and try and trick Newcastle in to the crappest or can we package Vestergaard up as Diego Carlos for them? I think it would be great to sell them Vestergaard even if we don’t manage to bring anyone in ourselves. I honestly don’t think our squad would be worse without him now that the likes of: Amartey, Justin and N’didi are back. Offer him up for £10m - cut out losses and run
The whole world smiles Posted 31 January 2022 Posted 31 January 2022 56 minutes ago, TiffToff88 said: Exactly. It's amazing how many people here seem to miss this little detail. And someone mentioned on the first page in here that our ambition has taken a dive off a cliff. Surely spending in the region of £200m on the Clubs infrastructure shows more long term ambition than spunking £25m on another stop-gap CB Great Post.
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