Rodgers Speaks

[LcFc_Smiv]

9 minutes ago, Jack1993 said:

It's all a bit David Brent again isn't it.... "Oooh you should've seen me in there"

This, and this again. He can't wait to come out and tell his media mates he's had some stern words.

 

Someone needs to pull him and tell him he's not as good as he thinks he is. 

[Dahnsouff]

33 minutes ago, Hales said:

I'm sure he would speak to the individuals he is thinking of and maybe he has many times and it's just not getting through to them so it's the final straw now?

That what I took from his comments, that some have blown their last chance

[StanSP]

10 minutes ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

He can't wait to come out and tell his media mates he's had some stern words

Yeah but if he doesn't come out and say that, he'll get pelters for it. 

 

As someone has said before, he's usually quite protective of the players. For him to publicly criticise the players, deservedly so, was the right thing to do. 

[Samilktray]

Players have been quiet on social media reacting to that game

[FoxOnWheels]

I think he’s done the right thing, maybe him not  taking blame is probably a good way of saying the players aren’t doing what he’s asking of them which we know we have so mentality issues under Rodgers but we’ve also played some of the best football the club has ever played so he’s more than capable if he has the talent and attitudes

[tickler28]

Needs to make s statement on Thursday and drop the players that have let us down and that includes Amartey, Soyuncu, Tielemans, Ndidi, Barnes, Lookman and Iheanacho.....in for me come Choudhury, Brunt, KDH, Mendy, Albrighton, Pereira (RW) and Daka

[trabuch]

some members of his squad “think they’re top players but are a long way off it".

 

The players aren't the only ones who are a long way off where they think they are.

[turkish14]

3 hours ago, Will1981 said:

Really strange that he has praised Justin as he was at fault and got physically bullied for two of the goals yesterday aswell as a goal in each of the previous two games, he looks like a shawow of his pre injury perfprmances.

I think it’s more the desire Justin shows..

 

yes he wasn’t great yesterday but I felt he kept bombing forward and showed controlled aggression when he needed it. Madders too

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, shiv said:

He’s protected the players a fair bit this year. I know he’s criticised our defensive errors but on the whole he’s always played the injury card or mentioned that we have a young team.

 

First time he’s publicly called them out and rightly so.

...he is getting flak, he has to do something!!!

 Top was there to witness this debacle, he can't say anything else than what we have all seen.

  I suspect the big move is not going to happen for him at this moment and he will be looking to stay on.

  His interviews have been mostly contrary to what we have witnessed, praising the players for their attitude and application. 

  Stating that their are no leaders and mostly everyone thinks they have made it, and are living off past glories, and ignoring it was a culture engendered by himself, you can't now castigate a team whom you have indulged.

  This is all deflection, saying what he believes the supporters want to hear.

 He comes across more like Boris every day, and his mantra  ".....I  get it, and I  will  fix it", with endless people walking out the door, does not take away, that this same environment, was cultivated by him. 

Edited 7 February 2022 by sacreblueits442

[turlo]

3 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...he is getting flak, he has to do something!!!

 Top was there to witness this debacle, he can't say anything else than what we have all seen.

  I suspect the big move is not going to happen for him at this moment and he will be looking to stay on.

  His interviews have been mostly contrary to what we have witnessed, praising the players for their attitude and application. 

  Stating that their are no leaders and mostly everyone thinks they have made it, and are living off past glories, and ignoring it was a culture engendered by himself, you can't now castigate a team whom you have indulged.

  This is all deflection, saying what he believes the supporters want to hear.

 He comes across more like Boris every day, and his mantra  ".....I  get it, and I  will  fix it", with endless people walking out the door, does not take away, that this same environment, was cultivated by him. 

Arteta flopping in the second half of the season will be his only hope of landing a biggish job now. 

[Lambert09]

"I said to the players after that for the first time since I’ve been here I’ve been embarrassed."

 

WTAF. Spurs... not embarrassed. Newcastle.... not embarrassed. Bournemouth.... not embarrassed. Legia.... Not embarrassed.... Falling away TWICE  from huge top 4 leads... not embarrassed. 

 

 

HOW HOW HOW 

[sacreblueits442]

1 minute ago, turlo said:

Arteta flopping in the second half of the season will be his only hope of landing a biggish job now. 

...I  think he is now really committed to do a rebuild here!!!

 It was a sort of passive aggressive shout out to Top to loosen the purse strings.

 He thinks that his hands are tied and what ever happens is not down to him, but  Top's reluctantance to back him with finance.

[dannythefox]

This overachieving thing is being taken a bit to far but he’s right in what he says on the budget we have we are overachieving. Me personally this season it a right off and it will be for a few clubs and could cost them prem footy. Everyone has a bad season but just look at ours injuries, we are where we should be. Half the silly mistakes don’t happen if everyone if fit. 

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

This overachieving thing is being taken a bit to far but he’s right in what he says on the budget we have we are overachieving. Me personally this season it a right off and it will be for a few clubs and could cost them prem footy. Everyone has a bad season but just look at ours injuries, we are where we should be. Half the silly mistakes don’t happen if everyone if fit. 

I agree with you and hope that the 'typical 3rd season Brendan' is little more than an internet trope, and sincerely hope he can fix it, but you do have to wonder if he has it in him.

[Sunbury Fox]

4 hours ago, Lako42 said:

Other than the complete lack of accountability from himself I think he's absolutely spot on. And this coming from someone who has had enough of him. 

 

 

Those players need digging out in a big way. They are coasting and don't seem to have the required level of desire. 

 

 

"But we have too many players who think they're top players but they’re a long way off it.”

 

 

Yes, he's right to criticise the players but he is ultimately accountable for ensuring their fitness, organisation, morale and motivation. And he is failing badly in all of that. In fact he is now even making decisions that are serving to undermine our chances in games eg parking the bus at home to Brighton when we took the lead after controlling the game until that point. Plus yesterday's hideous switch to what appeared to be the kind of 343 that we deployed spectacularly badly whilst being totally abject against Chelsea earlier in the season. 

[baldeagle]

Tbh he’s spot on. He’s obviously not faultless himself but how many games have players made stupid errors/mistakes that have led to a goal . Stupid passes or pass backs to the goalie .Kasper kicking straight to the opposition I’ve lost track . If you read all of the match threads through you’d see no end of criticism of simple mistakes or lack of concentration that you wouldn’t expect to see in a Sunday league game yet alone professional footballers . Add to that the complete lack of guts when the game is a bit physical making us go  missing . It definitely needs a change of players . 

Edited 7 February 2022 by baldeagle

[turlo]

21 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I  think he is now really committed to do a rebuild here!!!

 It was a sort of passive aggressive shout out to Top to loosen the purse strings.

 He thinks that his hands are tied and what ever happens is not down to him, but  Top's reluctantance to back him with finance.

i think the only time he can say he wasn't backed was the two January windows when we were in the driving seat for top 4 but needed reinforcements. That did ultimately cost us as the injuries were starting to mount up. Other than that he's been well backed in the Summer windows for a club of our stature 

[sacreblueits442]

1 minute ago, turlo said:

i think the only time he can say he wasn't backed was the two January windows when we were in the driving seat for top 4 but needed reinforcements. That did ultimately cost us as the injuries were starting to mount up. Other than that he's been well backed in the Summer windows for a club of our stature 

...strangely enough, for a club of our stature, we have the ability to finance the team and to an extent give Rodgers what he wants!!!

  The drawback will be that this is not due to happen just yet due to the spend on ground expansion and other infrastructure. 

  I would  not be surprised if you find another loan being taken out in short order in order to finance a major rebuild. 

 

[filbertway]

16 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

Tbh he’s spot on. He’s obviously not faultless himself but how many games have players made stupid errors/mistakes that have led to a goal . Stupid passes or pass backs to the goalie .Kasper kicking straight to the opposition I’ve lost track . If you read all of the match threads through you’d see no end of criticism of simple mistakes or lack of concentration that you wouldn’t expect to see in a Sunday league game yet alone professional footballers . Add to that the complete lack of guts when the game is a bit physical making us go  missing . It definitely needs a change of players . 

It's almost like it keeps happening and yet he keeps on insisting on us playing this incredibly risky football that really brings no benefits.

[DanDare]

2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not everything belongs in the public domain. Do you seriously think he has said what he said in public and not clarified to the culpable indiviudals?

Culpable individuals? Do me a favour, there's one common denominator as to why a team with so much talent looks like they've never met each other before when they go onto a football pitch. 

Have all 11 of whatever team Rodgers puts out suddenly become sh*t hasbeens who don't know what football is?

They all have the same talent, it's there,but we're not seeing it because the type of negative game they're asked to play is alien to them.

Players like Cags and Hamza who used to win balls and confidently go forward with it getting the opposition on the back foot, creating space, now look like when the ball comes to them, someone's took the pin out of a grenade and tossed it to them. 

If Rogers could just admit his style of play isn't bringing the best out of players we know to be better than this, and could just for once say ok, go out and play your own game, we may actually see some entertaining football. It is after all what it's supposed to be about.

But I don't think he's got it in him to admit he's the one who needs to change. 

Must be all the players fault 

 

[Dahnsouff]

13 minutes ago, DanDare said:

Culpable individuals? Do me a favour, there's one common denominator as to why a team with so much talent looks like they've never met each other before when they go onto a football pitch. 

Have all 11 of whatever team Rodgers puts out suddenly become sh*t hasbeens who don't know what football is?

They all have the same talent, it's there,but we're not seeing it because the type of negative game they're asked to play is alien to them.

Players like Cags and Hamza who used to win balls and confidently go forward with it getting the opposition on the back foot, creating space, now look like when the ball comes to them, someone's took the pin out of a grenade and tossed it to them. 

If Rogers could just admit his style of play isn't bringing the best out of players we know to be better than this, and could just for once say ok, go out and play your own game, we may actually see some entertaining football. It is after all what it's supposed to be about.

But I don't think he's got it in him to admit he's the one who needs to change. 

Must be all the players fault 

 

 

Rodgers has a lot of ground to make up here no doubt, but the likely blame here lays with both Rodgers and the players

Just hope he and they can fix it

[DanDare]

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

 

Rodgers has a lot of ground to make up here no doubt, but the likely blame here lays with both Rodgers and the players

Just hope he and they can fix it

It's about confidence. Any sportsman or athlete, whether human or animal will go thru periods of form loss.

It's then down to their trainer, coach or manager to reinstall that confidence to get them back up to the performance level that is known they can achieve. 

To have a whole team seemingly fully shot of all confidence in their own ability and showing no signs of improving should be one big red flag that the crux of the matter is not being addressed. 

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, DanDare said:

It's about confidence. Any sportsman or athlete, whether human or animal will go thru periods of form loss.

It's then down to their trainer, coach or manager to reinstall that confidence to get them back up to the performance level that is known they can achieve. 

To have a whole team seemingly fully shot of all confidence in their own ability and showing no signs of improving should be one big red flag that the crux of the matter is not being addressed. 

Maybe, there is certainly something amiss in the camp, and the manager of the camp is Brendan. Would still give him to Summer rather than rush and risk a bad appointment mid season. Unless we truly implode and look like we are heading down of course.

[MalletFox]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I  think he is now really committed to do a rebuild here!!!

 It was a sort of passive aggressive shout out to Top to loosen the purse strings.

 He thinks that his hands are tied and what ever happens is not down to him, but  Top's reluctantance to back him with finance.

Come on now … he was 100% backed in the summer, we’ve got the strongest squad depth we’ve ever had and he’s absolutely flunking this season. Injuries have played a part, yes, (but arguably BR shoulders some of the blame there potentially), but pulling out the “I need backing” card is well below the belt! 
 

It’s glaringly obvious to me that these players aren’t playing for him anymore. So he can talk about an overhaul, or … it’s the manager that changes! 

[Corky]

So we're basically left with a scenario where the players try to prove him wrong or they double down and prove him right?

 

Grim.