Ukraine

[MPH]

Downed cruise missile caused Kyiv explosion, Ukraine says

An explosion near Kyiv's central railway station earlier this evening was caused by wreckage from a cruise missile shot down by Ukraine's air defences, an interior ministry advisor says.

Anton Herashchenko posts on Facebook that the debris hit a heating pipe, causing the blast.

But he says if the missile had hit the centre of Kyiv, the casualties and damage would have been appalling. 

Herashchenko does not say whether there had been injuries as a result of the explosion.

[Heathrow fox]

6 hours ago, MarshallForEngland said:

This 2015 lecture has started trending again due to recent events and it really is worth a watch. I haven't seen a better breakdown of the recent history of that region. It also contains some astonishingly accurate predictions. The situation is very complicated there is a lot more to it than some people might expect.

 

 

Yes this was suggested and uploaded onto the original war thread weeks ago.It’s a shame you seem to be one of a handful that’s listened and understood it

[Foxdiamond]

34 minutes ago, surrifox said:

You mean like HRH Edward viii ?

He was no longer king and sent out of the way to The Bahamas 

[goody2028]

Russia has been reported to the International Criminal Court at the Hague in the largest ever referral, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said. 

Johnson wrote that 38 countries have referred Vladimir Putin's regime to the court over alleged war crimes committed during Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. 

"We are crystal clear that Putin cannot commit these horrific acts with impunity," Johnson wrote". 

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss tweeted that Russian troops are "targeting civilians indiscriminately and tearing through towns across Ukraine".

"An investigation by the International Criminal Court into Russia's barbaric acts is urgently needed and it is right that those responsible are held to account. The UK will work closely with allies to ensure justice is done," she said.
 

 

 

[yorkie1999]

Whenever I’ve seen wars and protests in the past it’s always been a bit ah well, but when I saw this, makes you realise how lucky we are. Commies really are willy pullers.it ain’t right.

 

Edited 2 March 2022 by yorkie1999

[Foxdiamond]

1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Oh yeah I'm not saying they wouldn't have done it but a lot of historians have said Sealion would have probably failed. It was planned prior to the US joining the war, having rejected his final terms, however they never had the conditions to carry it out. We had aerial dominance and despite the presence of u-boats their Navy would have struggled against ours in attempting to invade.

Agreed Sealion could not have worked without beating RAF plus RN . By June 41 Hitler turned east  Our army was the cinderella service equipment wise in 1939 but the other services were powerful and up to date largely 

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, surrifox said:

A friend who is employed by a “Russian” bank in London ( not sure if it’s on the hit list) has been advised that the business has been transferred to a Cyprus owned operation which will preserve their employment rights and no change is envisaged to employment terms and conditions or their  working arrangements. In other words business as normal .

Russia has bought and paid for Cyprus ( the EU part) and had this already to roll out for years . Cyprus’newly acquired “banking sector” is just a front for looted state assets and money laundering .It makes a mockery of sanctions if the UK and EU don’t act on this and allow these operations to hide behind sham corporations which the high minded European Commission has chosen to ignore but criticised the UK for ( quite rightly)

This is exactly why the sanctions aren't anywhere as near as bad as our governments make out. Firstly we're still reliant on Russian gas, unless the two sphere's genuinely want to end each other, there'll always be that. Secondly, it's fairly easy for Russia to literally turn it's back on the west given it's ties with India, China and Pakistan for example. If this was 50 years ago, it would be terrible for the Russian economy, it'll still be bad, but ultimately if you have the Chinese on your side in the 21st century, you'll always survive.

[Lionator]

34 minutes ago, surrifox said:

I could definitely see him having a nibble at Moldova . Former Soviet republic closely historically linked to Rumania with a part of the country ( Transnistria) not recognised as belonging to anyone ?!

gained independence from Soviet Union in the early 90s . I’m surprised that Putin hasn’t already swallowed it ; it’s lowest of the low hanging fruit 

Transnistria is basically Russian right? Because it's strategically placed next to guess where? Ukraine. 

 

The only reason he'd genuinely take somewhere else in this day and age imo is for natural resources and there's not really anywhere else in eastern europe which would suit after Ukraine. 

[Shane]

11 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Never underestimate the power of a good propaganda machine. 

'For good government one must also practice good propaganda. They work together. A good government without propaganda is no longer possible' - Joseph Goebbels.

 

Goebbels would be so proud of todays propaganda machine..

[fuchsntf]

23 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

There's that one of the neo Nazi Ukrainian troop soaking their bullets in pigs blood to attack the Muslim fighters too. I think your exact post is why I felt uneasy about russian today being censored. Everyone knows it's propaganda but there will be truth amongst it, it's really hard to get a balanced view of the conflict without actually actively finding it because the western media is effectively Ukrainian propaganda.

 

It does really feel to me, and I notice this with politics too where it does kinda become a bit of a football debate in a way, you have to back your side like you'd back your team and it's really counter productive

For me there is only One truth, Why the should a strong Power like Russia would by Force Take Civilian Life by taking up arms,  being the Aggressor

by attacking a smaller neighbour, who isnt, hasnt & cant Endanger anything in Russia...

We Need a Flashmob of Russian Soldiers & Russian civilians, singing Imagine..

[surrifox]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Transnistria is basically Russian right? Because it's strategically placed next to guess where? Ukraine. 

 

The only reason he'd genuinely take somewhere else in this day and age imo is for natural resources and there's not really anywhere else in eastern europe which would suit after Ukraine. 

Agreed . It would have wound up the west / NATO though which he might see as worth the effort 

[Lionator]

3 minutes ago, surrifox said:

Agreed . It would have wound up the west / NATO though which he might see as worth the effort 

Some people have suggested that this is the first true climate war (although there's obviously other reasons). Once more places start becoming uninhabitable as time wears on, most conflict will be about resources I think, and it'll become a much less peaceful world than we thankfully have now excluding the past week.

[st albans fox]

as ever with our govt - just smoke and mirrors 

 

how starmer can’t hold them to account is simply astonishing…
 

Ukraine Conflict: Did the UK sanction 100 people last week? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60591547

 

[SpacedX]

https://nypost.com/2022/03/01/ukrainian-gov-agency-removes-road-signs-to-confuse-russian-troops/

[when_you're_smiling]

40 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Whenever I’ve seen wars and protests in the past it’s always been a bit ah well, but when I saw this, makes you realise how lucky we are. Commies really are willy pullers.it ain’t right.

 

They’re not ‘commies’. Russia hasn’t been communist for decades. It’s a dictatorship (effectively).

[Lionator]

4 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

They’re not ‘commies’. Russia hasn’t been communist for decades. It’s a dictatorship (effectively).

There was a yougov poll done this week in the US where 50% thought Russia was communist and only 11% thought it was capitalist. It's a capitalist autocracy. We (the west) are mind numbingly stupid.

[MPH]

 

10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

There was a yougov poll done this week in the US where 50% thought Russia was communist and only 11% thought it was capitalist. It's a capitalist autocracy. We (the west) are mind numbingly stupid.

 

a communist party is  still the second largest political party in Russia which means that there are  communists within the  government opposition.

 

 

 And I have to be careful how I say this so I’m not misunderstood… firstly, I 100% support Ukraine, I 100% condemn Russian Actions and 100 % want rid of Putin, but the West and NATO need to tread carefully with how they go about removing Putin so as not to give swell and support to an ideology they opposed for so long. A couple of wrong moves and well intentioned sentiments within Russia could give rise to a reinvigorated Communist party. If they want Putin overthrown from within, they need to be careful.

Edited 2 March 2022 by MPH

[Tommy Fresh]

45 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

as ever with our govt - just smoke and mirrors 

 

how starmer can’t hold them to account is simply astonishing…
 

Ukraine Conflict: Did the UK sanction 100 people last week? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60591547

 

Have you ever seen Johnson at PMQs?hard to hold a child to account who doesn't listen 

[BlueSi13]

For now it looks like the war has slowed down in pace.  Looks like Russia has FINALLY taken a large population centre (Kherson in the south) but made a right job of it.  However they were massively advantaged in this area due to it being the first major target over the border from occupied Crimea. 

 

Everywhere else they still seem bogged down.  They are still seeing tanks and supply convoys destroyed or abandoned at an alarming rate and they STILL don't have total air superiority.  According to US intelligence a lack of food and fuel is becoming a major problem.  

 

The logistics of it all still seem to be an absolute shambles.  Widespread looting and burglary by Russian troops desperate for food (saw a video of Ukrainians breaking open a box of Russian rations and finding they were 7 years old!).  Discipline seems none existent in a lot of units.  As I wrote a couple of days in to the war, the only reason Russians are having any success at all is due to the sheer number of soldiers they have, and the number of missiles.  

 

I read a report today from a defence analyst who said that it genuinely appears as if the Russian army are avoiding direct contact with the Ukrainians unless they have an overwhelming advantage in numbers.  NATO also believe that Putin has now had to commit over 80% of his force (probably why he needed Belarus to join in as well).

 

It still looks extremely bleak for the Ukrainians make no mistake, but every day this goes on with Russia only making incremental gains, the harder it will be for Putin who is throwing punches with his top half, but his lower half is sinking in to quicksand as the Russian economy begins to implode.  

 

 

 

 

[SecretPro]

We are just watching the slow decline of Ukraine now. Just sitting, watching, waiting for death. How can we be so powerless? How can the world be so powerless to change this? I struggle to recognise the world we live in as even a remotely good place. What a horror show. 

[Vestan Pance]

16 minutes ago, Lionator said:

There was a yougov poll done this week in the US where 50% thought Russia was communist and only 11% thought it was capitalist. It's a capitalist autocracy. We (the west) are mind numbingly stupid.

Not really stupidity but ignorance.

[Carl the Llama]

Reaction to Russian sanctions from a Russian youtuber.

[SpacedX]

1 minute ago, SecretPro said:

We are just watching the slow decline of Ukraine now. Just sitting, watching, waiting for death. How can we be so powerless? How can the world be so powerless to change this? I struggle to recognise the world we live in as even a remotely good place. What a horror show. 

A horror show that is set to become unwatchable, as once in position, the artillery and aerial bombardment of Kiev will intensify.  We know from Grozny, Aleppo and this week, Kharkiv and Mariupol that Russia has not qualms about targeting residential areas to enforce its political will. 

[Countryfox]

3 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said:

For now it looks like the war has slowed down in pace.  Looks like Russia has FINALLY taken a large population centre (Kherson in the south) but made a right job of it.  However they were massively advantaged in this area due to it being the first major target over the border from occupied Crimea. 

 

Everywhere else they still seem bogged down.  They are still seeing tanks and supply convoys destroyed or abandoned at an alarming rate and they STILL don't have total air superiority.  According to US intelligence a lack of food and fuel is becoming a major problem.  

 

The logistics of it all still seem to be an absolute shambles.  Widespread looting and burglary by Russian troops desperate for food (saw a video of Ukrainians breaking open a box of Russian rations and finding they were 7 years old!).  Discipline seems none existent in a lot of units.  As I wrote a couple of days in to the war, the only reason Russians are having any success at all is due to the sheer number of soldiers they have, and the number of missiles.  

 

I read a report today from a defence analyst who said that it genuinely appears as if the Russian army are avoiding direct contact with the Ukrainians unless they have an overwhelming advantage in numbers.  NATO also believe that Putin has now had to commit over 80% of his force (probably why he needed Belarus to join in as well).

 

It still looks extremely bleak for the Ukrainians make no mistake, but every day this goes on with Russia only making incremental gains, the harder it will be for Putin who is throwing punches with his top half, but his lower half is sinking in to quicksand as the Russian economy begins to implode.  

 

 

 

 

The war has not been going on for very long and the Ukrainian resistance is amazing ..  but there will only be one outcome. Then we will get a very long period of resistance that Putin will try and crush in a brutal manner.  How that pans out will be a fork in the road moment. 
 

In the meantime we will have a refugee crisis to resolve as up to 5 million people will be displaced. 

[SpacedX]

So the five member nations that voted against UN resolution condemning the invasion of Ukraine, were obviously Russia and Belarus. Unsurprisingly, Syria and the totalitarian states, North Korea and Eritrea.