Five charged over Forest FA Cup violence

[Bert]

Imagine sharing the same blood as one of these…. Don’t drop the soap @tylesta

Edited 15 February 2023 by Bert

[Matt_Lcfc]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

Don’t drop the soap @tylesta

I am just happy that he has been sentenced as it means that I don’t have to read his posts anymore. I sincerely hope that they don’t give you access to FT in prison 

[westernpark]

5 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

I don’t disagree with this but I would *imagine* that it’s all about publicity. Of course you can debate whether it’s right or wrong, however, unfortunately, a local burglary will never receive the same press as football disorder. I know that this isn’t particularly fair, but it’s a fact.

 

In this case, the situation was clear. Essentially, you had a handful of the low-life in society running a mockery in Nottingham, terrorising families and generally doing completely daft things. 
 

This obviously led to high media engagement, so the temptation amongst the police is to show these people up through ‘tough’ sentences. 

The only frustration for me was that they had a DNA match! But yes I agree with your logic regarding seeking prosecution. Rivalries are fun, but if you’re incapable of understanding the boundaries of acceptable behaviour, then you deserve these sentences.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Burglars then. @TamworthFoxes has a point. 

 

I wonder how the resource the police throw if  I went to the desk to complain I'd been punched in a nightclub. I can hear the disinterest from a mile off. Do the same at a match, and they are all over it. 

Again these lot would be far easier to identify than a burglar, there's footage of it happening. I think the police rightly do get flak for things they get wrong but in this instance it feels like it's way off to criticise them. 

[Lionator]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Again these lot would be far easier to identify than a burglar, there's footage of it happening. I think the police rightly do get flak for things they get wrong but in this instance it feels like it's way off to criticise them. 

No excusing burglary but there’s a sense of desperation as to why people do it most of the time. It’s sad and it’s an awful thing to do. This was just pure thuggery for absolutely no purpose. Smashed up businesses which were coming out of the pandemic, traumatised little kids, and for what? Scummy behaviour. 

[coolhandfox]

42 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I think its fair for society to call for those who are supposed to protect us to better serve the public. They may argue they aren't given the resources in which to do so and that's why it's then irksome when you consider lesser crimes are stamped down upon far more than other stuff that the police seem I'll equipped or unable to deal with.

 

Those that commit crimes get little sympathy but we can't necessarily control that. 

 

 

Out of interest, if your family was involved would you call it a lesser crime?

 

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Out of interest, if your family was involved would you call it a lesser crime?

 

Involved as a victim? Yes I would, doesn't mean I wouldn't demand that it be investigated and those brought to appropriate justice.

 

Doesn't sit well with me some of the serious crime that seems to get ignored or very poorly investigated and we should be demanding better. 

 

This is a similar scenario to the NHS.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Involved as a victim? Yes I would, doesn't mean I wouldn't demand that it be investigated and those brought to appropriate justice.

 

Doesn't sit well with me some of the serious crime that seems to get ignored or very poorly investigated and we should be demanding better. 

 

This is a similar scenario to the NHS.

Wouldn't it be different departments investigating anyway? Like when you see people ask traffic police if they've got nothing better to do. Aware budget could be allocated elsewhere, however you do need enough to cover all bases.

[Paninistickers]

18 minutes ago, Lionator said:

No excusing burglary but there’s a sense of desperation as to why people do it most of the time. It’s sad and it’s an awful thing to do. This was just pure thuggery for absolutely no purpose. Smashed up businesses which were coming out of the pandemic, traumatised little kids, and for what? Scummy behaviour. 

 

16 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Out of interest, if your family was involved would you call it a lesser crime?

 

I can honestly say, having been on the recieving end of both football violence and burglary, the latter is an absolutely vile crime. The trauma of burglary way way outweighs being chased or walloped or threatened 

 

Edit to add Burglary, not buggery. Just for Clarity x 🥺

Edited 15 February 2023 by Paninistickers

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Wouldn't it be different departments investigating anyway? Like when you see people ask traffic police if they've got nothing better to do. Aware budget could be allocated elsewhere, however you do need enough to cover all bases.

Yeah I suspect so, I've always presumed this stuff gets focused on my police as football clubs have to compensate police forces for providing police at games and therefore that funding is used for anything football related?

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Involved as a victim? Yes I would, doesn't mean I wouldn't demand that it be investigated and those brought to appropriate justice.

 

Doesn't sit well with me some of the serious crime that seems to get ignored or very poorly investigated and we should be demanding better. 

 

This is a similar scenario to the NHS.

100% we should demend better, but people and society also need to take some responsibility. 

 

But how is criticising this demanding better? 

 

Ok inlighten me what serious crime is ignored to bring these people to justice?

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

 

I can honestly say, having been on the recieving end of both football violence and burglary, the latter is an absolutely vile crime. The trauma of burglary way way outweighs being chased or walloped or threatened 

Sorry to hear that and I hope you and family have fully recovered on both counts.

[westernpark]

16 minutes ago, Lionator said:

No excusing burglary but there’s a sense of desperation as to why people do it most of the time. It’s sad and it’s an awful thing to do. This was just pure thuggery for absolutely no purpose. Smashed up businesses which were coming out of the pandemic, traumatised little kids, and for what? Scummy behaviour. 

I think in some cases you are right regarding desperation as motivation for burglary, but it can’t be considered in the majority of cases. Desperation is not an excuse otherwise there would be a lot of criminals walking freely.

I had books and other more specialist items stolen, which is not something your stereotypical drug funding burglar goes for.

 

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, westernpark said:

I think in some cases you are right regarding desperation as motivation for burglary, but it can’t be considered in the majority of cases. Desperation is not an excuse otherwise there would be a lot of criminals walking freely.

I had books and other more specialist items stolen, which is not something your stereotypical drug funding burglar goes for.

 

Apologies for thread drift here, but the Burglary I had was years ago. Video nicked. Wtf do burglars.nick now? They wouldn't break into a house for a phone (you'd do street robbery for that) ... Second hand playstation would fetch 20 quid tops and no guarantee they'd find one. Nobody has cash anymore. No burglar gonna walk out with a 54 inch telly under their jumper..

 

What do they nick? 

[Lionator]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

Apologies for thread drift here, but the Burglary I had was years ago. Video nicked. Wtf do burglars.nick now? They wouldn't break into a house for a phone (you'd do street robbery for that) ... Second hand playstation would fetch 20 quid tops and no guarantee they'd find one. Nobody has cash anymore. No burglar gonna walk out with a 54 inch telly under their jumper..

 

What do they nick? 

I’d say but I don’t want to give the game away!!

[Paninistickers]

2 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I’d say but I don’t want to give the game away!!

Isnt it better to let us know?! 

 

Edit...Apologies, i think your sarcasm went over my head!! 🤣

 

 

Edited 15 February 2023 by Paninistickers

[westernpark]

4 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Apologies for thread drift here, but the Burglary I had was years ago. Video nicked. Wtf do burglars.nick now? They wouldn't break into a house for a phone (you'd do street robbery for that) ... Second hand playstation would fetch 20 quid tops and no guarantee they'd find one. Nobody has cash anymore. No burglar gonna walk out with a 54 inch telly under their jumper..

 

What do they nick? 

Books that were over 200 years old. Some jewellery, China and a rucksack of mine to carry it home! 

Knew it was a professional job, because the only day my very big dog was not at home! They climbed up a drain pipe that covered two floors and managed to prise open a bathroom window.

Laptops, consoles and tvs left alone. 
Edit- Jewellery is apparently a big target nowadays.

Edited 15 February 2023 by westernpark
Clarification

[volpeazzurro]

51 minutes ago, Lionator said:

No excusing burglary but there’s a sense of desperation as to why people do it most of the time. It’s sad and it’s an awful thing to do. This was just pure thuggery for absolutely no purpose. Smashed up businesses which were coming out of the pandemic, traumatised little kids, and for what? Scummy behaviour. 

It's a romantic view regarding the sense of desperation. The majority are just thieving, workshy scummy thieving bastards who choose the life they lead.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

For nearly 6 months, I had a "pop up brothel" move in next door to me, with a pimp and at least 6 working women in residence. I live around the corner from Overdale, so it wasn't really a brothel area. Beyond the bother of the brothel, there was some gangland showboating involving toughs trying to intimidate each other; the pimp also always used my bin, since they had so much waste in the house. I complained to the police and they didn't do crap -- the brothel just disappeared one day, and a nice family bought the house about a year ago.

 

Despite the police not doing anything about the brothel, I have no problem with them going after the yobs smashing windows Nottingham. I take my family to games, and I want this kind of behavior stopped: And it's like a forest fire, you gotta stamp out the embers to keep it from flaring up again.

[Lionator]

Apologies if I came across if I was minimising the effects of burglary, but I stand by that trashing places for the sake of it is thick. 

[Raj]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

Imagine sharing the same blood as one of these…. Don’t drop the soap @tylesta

Is tylesta one of the ones involved?

 

 

[Wymsey]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

Imagine sharing the same blood as one of these…. Don’t drop the soap @tylesta

Would it be quite unfair to ban him from here, after setting a poor example of himself?..

[Leicester_Loyal]

Couple of good lads involved there, don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time though. 

[Bert]

1 minute ago, Raj said:

Is tylesta one of the ones involved?

 

 

Yep. Hes my half brother 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Torten]

Christ had to dredge up this game in my mind now cheers