Five charged over Forest FA Cup violence

[Tommy Fresh]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The question I am interested in an answer on from the prosecution service is, if a few prats lobbed some chairs and had a bit of a scrap in town would they get a 16 month prison sentence for the same offence? 

 

You're a prat whether you do this at the football or not at the football, could you get embroiled in either without going looking for it? Possibly, but you'd be far more likely for that to be taken in to consideration if it occurred at a non-footballing event. 

Comes down to police presence and evidence doesn't it really, at football there's a larger police presence along with more folk out and about as well to record it. Also, you probably hear about this a lot more because as with stuff like this it gets more news coverage. 

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Comes down to police presence and evidence doesn't it really, at football there's a larger police presence along with more folk out and about as well to record it. Also, you probably hear about this a lot more because as with stuff like this it gets more news coverage. 

Yeah that's true but still, you're either charged or you're not. They can't say well because we haven't got as much evidence you can just have community service rather than do a stint in the slammer.

 

But the point on police presence and surveillance is a very valid one, why you would be willing to get involved in stuff like this at the drop of a hat is just stupidity. 

[kingkisnorbo]

The “Proper fan” thing never washes.  They’re as much of a fan as we are, they just choose to act like a plum. One of footballs great misnomers.

Edited 16 February 2023 by kingkisnorbo

[Lcfc098]

12 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

A proper fan goes to watch a game, not to tear it up in the local town. Your argument is void and a bit sad

How do you know they don't go to watch the game? Why does what they get up to pre game and post game show how much of a fan they are?

[Tommy Fresh]

10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Yeah that's true but still, you're either charged or you're not. They can't say well because we haven't got as much evidence you can just have community service rather than do a stint in the slammer.

 

But the point on police presence and surveillance is a very valid one, why you would be willing to get involved in stuff like this at the drop of a hat is just stupidity. 

Being charged and being convicted are very different though aren't they, hence why some have come away with suspensed sentences.

[Jack1993]

23 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

How do you know they don't go to watch the game? Why does what they get up to pre game and post game show how much of a fan they are?

Well if they're willing to run the risk of arrest before the game then I imagine they're not as arsed about watching the actual match as those of us who don't throw chairs at strangers 

[Ric Flair]

37 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Being charged and being convicted are very different though aren't they, hence why some have come away with suspensed sentences.

That's what I meant, you don't get a lesser conviction because of evidence. Either the evidence precludes the judge to issue whatever the conviction is but if there's not enough of it you can't just give someone a community service charge or suspended sentence instead.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Jack1993 said:

Well if they're willing to run the risk of arrest before the game then I imagine they're not as arsed about watching the actual match as those of us who don't throw chairs at strangers 

Here’s the thing though.
 

It was declared in court and agreed with the prosecutor that the flashpoint occurred when a Forest fan came to the front door of the pub, screamed abuse and then threw a chair towards them. 
 

There’s been a lot written about very little of incident and a little written about a lot of the incident/court case.
 

For example the court and both police forces were critical of the 4pm kick off but when it was chosen for television, the clubs contributed £30k. Equally the court conceded that injuries sustained were minimal and the case largely attributed to damage on the bar.

 

I think they are foolish in the extreme and it hurts us all collectively as football fans. But I think the punishment is way over-excessive for the incident. There are two mitigating factors as well which could have stopped it taking place. We generally don’t find too many of the media critical of policing in relation to football.

[Jack1993]

10 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Here’s the thing though.
 

It was declared in court and agreed with the prosecutor that the flashpoint occurred when a Forest fan came to the front door of the pub, screamed abuse and then threw a chair towards them. 
 

There’s been a lot written about very little of incident and a little written about a lot of the incident/court case.
 

For example the court and both police forces were critical of the 4pm kick off but when it was chosen for television, the clubs contributed £30k. Equally the court conceded that injuries sustained were minimal and the case largely attributed to damage on the bar.

 

I think they are foolish in the extreme and it hurts us all collectively as football fans. But I think the punishment is way over-excessive for the incident. There are two mitigating factors as well which could have stopped it taking place. We generally don’t find too many of the media critical of policing in relation to football.

They were convicted of what they were caught doing.

 

My point was that when people say they're "not proper fans" I can see where they're coming from because proper fans do their level best to actually get to the game rather than put themselves at risk of being arrested. 

[Raj]

Im 100% in agreement  with @Daggers on this.

It's totally embarrassing.

 

[westernpark]

Football is a microcosm of society to an extent. There are idiots in life. These are football’s idiots. No one was comparing what they’ve done to having a bike robbed. People were questioning why these idiots were getting harsher sentences than if they were just idiots fighting without the football. That question and answer is to all our benefit as football fans. 
Without knowing too much, I would personally question why they’re receiving custodial sentences, except for the one well documented criminal. Surely life time ban or exceptional banning orders for football is the way forward. 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Jack1993 said:

They were convicted of what they were caught doing.

 

My point was that when people say they're "not proper fans" I can see where they're coming from because proper fans do their level best to actually get to the game rather than put themselves at risk of being arrested. 

 

They were ‘going to the game’ until someone came out of the pub to verbally abuse and attack them. 
 

Totally agree it’s the wrong action of how to deal with that but there’s plenty of football fans what get caught in those situations with full intentions of just having a normal, simple day down the football 

[adejo92]

18 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Follow the money.
 

Police get a huge amount of money for policing games. It’s in their interest for it to be seen that there’s serious disorder and problems that need heavily policing.

Not true, the police only receive money from the club at the point of having to enter the stadium.

 

But don't let the truth get in the way of a bit of police bashing.

[Daggers]

56 minutes ago, Raj said:

Im 100% in agreement  with @Daggers on this.

It's totally embarrassing.

 

Don't be embarrassed just because you agree with me.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Craig Flint heading back to his second home 👋🏼 

[Guest nathan.]

Flinty is just a nob.

 

Jumped up cokehead.

[Daggers]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

The question I am interested in an answer on from the prosecution service is, if a few prats lobbed some chairs and had a bit of a scrap in town would they get a 16 month prison sentence for the same offence? 

 

You're a prat whether you do this at the football or not at the football, could you get embroiled in either without going looking for it? Possibly, but you'd be far more likely for that to be taken in to consideration if it occurred at a non-footballing event. 

Depends if they “caused those inside great anxiety and distress, including a young child who was heard screaming", and it constituted “a serious disruption which had a severely detrimental impact on the community" involving "widespread, large-scale acts of violence”.

 

 

[coolhandfox]

People still trying to justify what they did and calling the sentences harsh.

 

Don't want to be harshly sentence don't put yourself in that position.

 

 

 

Edited 16 February 2023 by coolhandfox

[Guest nathan.]

They are just making an example of the 5.

 

If you throw a chair you get locked up  

[Guest David Oldfields Gate]

I've no sympathy but I do think policing and sentencing has become political. If a BLM protest got a bit tetchy and someone threw a chair at a pub there would be zero repercussions.  Posting a fruity meme about nonces on twitter however gets you a knock on the door from plod whilst reporting a burglary gets the "no resources" response. 

 

 

 

 

[Voll Blau]

3 minutes ago, David Oldfields Gate said:

I've no sympathy but I do think policing and sentencing has become political. If a BLM protest got a bit tetchy and someone threw a chair at a pub there would be zero repercussions.  Posting a fruity meme about nonces on twitter however gets you a knock on the door from plod whilst reporting a burglary gets the "no resources" response. 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I must have missed this. Who's had their collar felt for posting a fruity meme about nonces here? 

Edited 16 February 2023 by Voll Blau

[Tommy G]

2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Sorry, I must have missed this. Who's had their collar felt for posting a fruity meme about nonces here? 

I think it was Raj 

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, nathan. said:

Flinty is just a nob.

 

Jumped up cokehead.

Coke used to be a glamorous and sought after drug, now reduced to inbreds and ugly societal dregs shoving it up one of their four nostrils in the back of a white van in whitwick. Sad 

[Unabomber]

 

The thing is most of the 'old school' come out for the bigs games all stone island up yet when it comes to it shut themselves,I was a prominent member of the ybs when we started it up,was always us young lot Avin a row,we were game as ****,hear the young lot now are(I'm 30) and av mrs and kids and don't bother anymore,pisses me off that you get the so called old school sitting in family stand with the kids in the s.i gear,yet when push comes to shove and it's gonna kick off say 'av got me kids',that's well and fine but then don't wear the clobber to say your a lad if your a has been,most so called lads ain't even as a row,gaur enter that out of 50 lads(hate it when folk say there was 200 there today)only a dozen tops will av it,the rest **** off back to the tavern and av the cheek to say they've just 'had it'!

[Raj]

Perhaps those attacking the sentance should start a petition or make a flag for the next home game.

"FREE THE FOREST FIVE"

"JUSTICE FOR THE FOREST THUGS"....